Damnation for long speaking, singing, playing instruments.

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January 22nd, 2011, 11:19 pm #1

One of the passages quoted by Luther in connection with the synagogue in Romans 15 which with all recorded history denounces music which replaces the Word is Micah which is the VOICE of the VICTIM where music derived from mystery means to "silence the voice of the victim."

Micah 2:1 WOE to them that devise iniquity,
.....and work evil upon their beds when the morning is light,
.....they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.

Micah 2:2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence;
.....and houses, and take them away:
.....so they oppress a man and his house,
.....even a man and his heritage.
Mic. 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic. 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward,
.....and the priests thereof teach for hire,

H4242 mekh-eer' From an unused root meaning to buy; price, payment, wages:gain, hire, price, sold, worth.

and the prophets thereof divine for money:

H7081 qesem keh'-sem From H7080 ; a lot; also divination (including its fee), oracle:(reward of) divination, divine sentence, witchcraft.

Both divination and witchcraft includes the HYPOCRITES making pretence.
.....yet will they lean upon the LORD,
.....and say, Is not the LORD among us?
.....none evil can come upon us.
Mic. 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field,
.....and Jerusalem shall become heaps,
..... and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

Jesus pronounced woes upon the Scribes and Pharisees: hypocrites includes preachers, singers and instrument players.

Matt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
.....for ye devour widows houses,
.....and for a pretence make long prayer:
.....therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

I finally saw how the words were used for my morning shock. You are not bound to read it.

Wouldn't it be wonderful that when you finally read Jesus pronouncement of DAMNATION on the hypocrites, which Christ pointed to preachers, singers and instrument players, that by reading the text we discover that the HYPOCRITES (only points to performers), the PRETENCE means:

Enter into a house, entry of the chorus, actors coming on the stage to perform the HYPOCRITIC arts and Crafts Paul excluded

Jesus is not speaking of HYPOCRITES making literal PRAYERS: They call out to make themselves famous, celebrate, celebrate with Abaddon's harp, sing as a minstrel, celebrate in song.

Jesus says they are doomed to DAMNATION. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that hell was prepared for them and the marks in sight and sound will be a sudden invasion of music. John called them sorcerers and consigned them to the Lake of Fire. I will post more and link to a page so you can read for yourself.
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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

January 23rd, 2011, 6:23 pm #2

Again, really? What does history have to do with anything if what we are about is reading Scripture? Why don't we try to apply Scripture correctly rather than Luther's opinions?

History is important to refute and repudiate those who blame Alexander Campbell and others for SOWING DISCORD by rejecting instruments in the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness: Chirst ordained the Holy convocation which was followed when the GENERAL POPULATION was assembled ONLY to hear the Word of God. Division happened primarily in the Disciples / Christian Churches.

The Campbells agreed with Christ:

Church is A School of Christ. Peter affirmed that by pointing to the prophets by Christ and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth. That is the COMMANDED resources.

Worship is Reading and Musing The Word of God.


That is what Paul commanded:

SPEAK (excludes poetry or music) "That which is written for our learning" using one mind and one mouth. The one mouth points to the human "glossa" which EXCLUDES the glossa or mouthpieces of Judas' wind instrument.

Singing AND making melody (Grace) is IN THE HEART..

MORE ON LUTHER DEFINING ROMANS WITHOUT A TICK TO HIS "VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL."

55. It is plainly evident who have abolished divine service and still daily SUPPRESS it.
They are none but that hopeless rabble, the Pope and his blockheads the bishops and priests, monks and nuns,
whose great boast is of their divine services;
who delight to be called the spiritual class and,
by their juggling, grasp the advantages and honors of the world and live in riotousness.

Yet they pretend to help others to heaven with their foolish works and no mention of the Gospel.
Indeed, they persecute and condemn the Gospel,
giving Peter just occasion to term them children of condemnation.

56. Note, Paul says divine service must be rendered with "one MIND" and with "one MOUTH."
We render divine service when we are harmonious,
and when we recognize our common equality and our common blessings in Christ;
when NONE exalts himself above another nor assumes special advantages.

Do you ask how it is we are equal, I reply: All outside of Christ are equally condemned. One needs Christ as much as another.When converted, all receive the same baptism and sacrament, the same faith, the same Christ and Spirit, the same Gospel--in a word, the same God.

Here in this wilderness the heavenly bread is impartially distributed.

Then how can it possibly be right for one to EXALT himself over his fellow spiritually,
one priest above the other? What can he have that surpasses Christ?
And each has the same Christ, and Christ receives each one unreservedly.

Luther and all disciples of Christ understand that all of the epistles CONDEMN the use of music which is a device of those "seing godliness as financial gain" or occupation.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;

All musicians and rhetoricians are equated to parasites.

Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.
gamêliôi lechei [marriage couch-bed] hêdonais, playing in the wind, exult over, treat haughtily or contemptuously, made a mock of, tinos sumphorais, III. use or abuse at pleasure Paison paizô [pais]
4. to play (on an instrument), Hhymn. II. to sport, play, jest, joke, Hdt., Xen., etc.; p. pros tina to make sport of one, mock him,

[See Plato-Symposium]

http://www.piney.com/ClassPlatoSymposium.html

Symposium;


Then, said Eryximachus, as you are all agreed that drinking is to be voluntary, and that there is to be no compulsion,
I move, in the next place, that the flute-girl, who has just made her appearance,
be told to go away and play to herself, or,
if she likes, to the women who are within.
To-day let us have conversation instead;
and, if you will allow me, I will tell you what sort of conversation.

Jesus CAST OUT the flute girls and minstrels like dung to speak HIS Word.
tên...aulêtrida. It was the fashion at convivia to provide pipers, dancers,

So not even the vile Symposium of the Crooked Generation permitted wine and the flute-girl when there was something to be discussed.

A Levite "musician" who went NEAR any holy thing or IN a holy place was to be EXECUTED: a terminal offense just as was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

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Fred Whaley
Fred Whaley

January 28th, 2011, 4:41 pm #3

This is another very insightful and inspiring piece. Thank you for sharing and keep up the fine work Ken.

Fred Whaley
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