Covenant Presbyterian Church, Nashville: David Lawrence Perspectives

Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

February 23rd, 2013, 5:31 pm #1

David Lawrence speaks like a warrior on a mission

There were four major theaters of operation
.....for me for the next nearly twenty years:
.....Smith Springs,
.....Lipscomb,
.....Engedi Ministries,
.....and Covenant Presbyterian Church.
Although action was moving forth on all these fronts simultaneously, for the help of the reader, I shall discuss them separately.
.....Only one remains today.

That is Covenant Presbyterian Church, Nashville. And David Lawrence confesses to being AN ACTOR so was he making a SPECTACLE of the Word of God?

http://www.piney.com/Covenant.Presbyter ... ville.html

Charles Spurgeon could not find a word to define the state of a man who would take pay from a group and not believe what they believed. What would he have left to say of those who boast about INFILTRATING and driving away those who will not be intimidated.

He boasts of his infiltration methods which have run their course at Smith Springs after sowing massive discord. People have requested a review of David's Perspectives with some added notes about forcing people to abandon their church home, church family and assuredly the Churches of Christ who fulfilled John Calvin's Call for A Restoration of the Church of Christ.

You can follow the path of Covenant Presbyterian Church and those who split Smith Springs here. You will find ALL of the NEO-Calvinistic dogmas refuted here.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/187120/t ... rspectives






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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

February 26th, 2013, 2:34 am #2

From my associaton with a couple of Lipscomb students from Smith Springs, I had the chance, a few years back, to attend one of Engedi's off campus Bible studies (it was held in the home of one of the Eng. leaders.) After about 30 minutes it almost felt like I was watching a high school play - you know where everyone has memorized their lines they've been given beforehand, and they try so hard to make it sound unrehearsed. It became clear that of the dozen or so students there, that I was the only one who didn't know the words to the club song or the motto.

As long as everyone stayed with the expected verses & line everything went smoothly. It seemed so loical at first. "You do believe God is all powerful and all knowing, don't you?" (Well yes) "Then it only follows, doesn't it, that God already knows who will be in heaven eternally, so how could He NOT use his Sovereign (a favorite word of theirs) power to make sure that all the one's he's chosen will make it? You do know that nothing God plans can be thwared (another favorite word)- it tells us that in the Bible." The session almost had the pressure feeling of one of those time-share, condo sales pitches, and I really believe an observation that has already been made is true about Engedi: "most of the Calvinistic teaching are delivered in small doses so it is not possible to get a coherent picture."

My own Bible study lead me to see some real problems with of of their first major points - total depravity (Mr. Lawrence refers to 'depravity' often in his Short Studies Textual Studies, on their engedi.org web page; see Genesis, Romans, & John). Am I honestly supposed to believe that the Bereans, mentioned in Acts 17:11, were more noble because God had irrestibly chosen for this depraved group to understand, and want to study the Scriptures, but God chose, conversely, for the Thessalonicans to NOT have a desire to know the Truth? It just seemed to me that this line of logic is closer to ancient Mayan's in Mexico who had god's that demanded regular human sacrifieces to appease their desire for justice!

Another verse they mentioned was from Ezekiel. This very verse is the topic of www.engedi.org/04.07.03.html. Mr. Lawrence says Ezek. 14:9-11 is a major problem for those of us who belive that God has nothing to do with the "bad" things of life. What these guys have obviously chosen to stay blinded to is their major problem this raises: If God causes come of the 'bad' things, and God cause everthing (as they boldly teach), then God causes, always had, caused ALL 'bad' things, too. And I don't care how slick one gets with that politician double talk, or how divine & wise the medieval renaissance men chose to label themselves (see 'Divine Men's Club', in this forum), or how lofty, eloquent, verbose (and confusing) you get with the King's English (and his political aspirations), or how hard you scourge your own back with a leather strap while you chant 'God is not the author of sin' -- if you just shove their creedal theories into reverse and follow their logic back as far as you can go, you finally see where their teaching says that sin originated. (P.S. it wasn't Satan.) No wonder R. C. Sproul calls this their 'excruciating problem'. Since they teach that the will of man or angels only moves when given the desire by God, then the only way Lucifer & Adam (before the fall) could have sinned was for God to have given them that desire!

Welcome to the new 'joy and assurance'; be sure you read the fine print before you but!

OF COURSE Calvinists ALWAYS ignore the context: perhaps they are predestinated?.

And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Ezek 14:2

Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them? Ezek 14:3

Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God;
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart,
.....and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face,
.....and cometh to the prophet; I the Lord will answer him that cometh
.....according to the multitude of his idols; Ezek 14:4

That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart,
.....because they are all estranged from me through THEIR idols. Ezek 14:5

Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God;
.....Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;
.....and turn away your faces from all your abominations. Ezek 14:6

Ezek 14:7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel,
.....which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart,
.....and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face,
.....and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me;
.....I the Lord will answer him by myself:

Ezek 14:8 And I will set my face against that man,
.....and will make him a sign and a proverb,
.....and I will cut him off from the midst of my people;
.....and ye shall know that I am the Lord.


Paul said that God sends strong delusions to those who tamper with thee Word. Lying Wonders are defined as Religious Services devoted to the performing arts: rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, dancing or juggling. ONLY THEN

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing,
.....I the Lord have deceived that prophet,
.....and I will stretch out my hand upon him,
.....and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. Ezek 14:9

And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity:
..... the punishment of the prophet shall be even
.....as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him; Ezek 14:10
Ezekiel 14:11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me,
.....neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions;
.....but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 14:12 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
Ezekiel 14:13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against
.....me by trespassing grievously,
.....then will I stretch out mine hand upon it,
.....and will break the staff of the bread thereof,
.....and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:


So,since David Lawrence SPEAKS ON HIS OWN he will be assisted by God.</font>
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