ConcernedMembers Forum's New Paging Mechanism

ConcernedMembers Forum's New Paging Mechanism

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September 6th, 2015, 3:18 am #1

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The new paging mechanism, designed by Network54 for this forum and forums in general, while it has certain advantages, has created other issues. It is advantageous when one can go directly to the first page or the last page. I believe it is assumed that most posters would want to publish their messages at or near the end of the thread, thus, continuity of communication between/among posters is maintained. However, when one responds directly to an "old" post on page 35 [and say there are 100 pages now] and the response appears on page 38, it is very difficult to locate that response between page 35 and page 100. (On the other hand, locating this particular response would not be difficult in the old system as explained below).

One advantage that the previous one-page system had was the capability to view a particular thread in its entirety. Generally, there was continuity in the sequence of the "events" [or posts] of the thread. If not, there was always the date of the post available for searches [as in search: "September 5 2015"]. Significantly, it was very easy and not that time-consuming to scroll up or down the one long page. From the moderator's standpoint, it was easy to search the entire long page for the word "Approve" and [Voila!!!] it's there.

Based on my own observations, I think that to alleviate the problem of a yet-to-be-approved post that is not showing on the last page:

(1) It would be best not to post on the last page. Posting on the last page (by responding to the INITIAL post of the thread) disrupts the continuity of the communication currently going on between posts/posters as it creates an entirely new sub-topic.

(2) In conjunction with (1), it would be best to continue an ongoing conversation, as we've been accustomed to doing, by clicking the "Respond to this message" button for that post. Under normal circumstances, the intended response will show directly and immediately below that post. Continuity of the conversation is maintained.

(3) Keep in mind that posting on the last page, which disrupts an ongoing "conversation," should be reserved for times when some conversation has ceased and it's time for a new sub-topic (still within the same thread) to be posted and discussed.

If there are concerns or questions for consideration, please post them here.
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September 6th, 2015, 4:46 pm #2

That works well on the one page system: many forums have "nested" links where you can jump into an old conversation.

It would work also if the poster would make a BUMP NOTE on the last page of the thread. The casual reader or moderator can click on the page number at the bottom of the page.

I just did a post on "wonder why" on page 2 and the color changes on the LAST page--sometimes but not always.

The forum is designed to put the latest post on the last page. I am working to sort out the "grace" diversion. He also denies the JUDGMENT and FIRE passages: I fell into the trap.

I have worried about the poor observer who does not know where to look. Ideally one thread would cover one topic.
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September 7th, 2015, 7:51 pm #3

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Thanks for the explanation/suggestion, Ken.

For those who need to know, clicking the "Respond to this message" of the INITIAL message/post on page 1 of any thread will automatically put that response at the bottom of the last page. We do this when posting a new sub-topic is desired, even if we expect that it may disrupt an ongoing discussion above it. The moderator can easily locate this post on the last page for approval.

We will continue to use the 100-page thread scenario for now (and a page is limited to 20 posts/messages):

(1) It is not an issue to respond to any of the posts on the last page. The response will always display on the same last page (p. 100) or on the next page (which will now be p. 101) when page 100 is full. The moderator will easily locate the last post to be approved. The moderator may attempt to locate the post to be approved on the preceding page 99 or page 98, but patience runs out when the post to be approved is located on page 97 or earlier.

(2) If may be an issue when responding to a post that's not on the last page. It is an issue when responding to a post between page 1 and page 99. The moderator knows that there is a post pending approval, but doesn't know where that post is located. We don't have the time to locate "Approve" from page 1 to page 100.

(3) Ken's suggestion will help: If responding to a post on page 97 or earlier, go to page 100 (the last page) and click any of the "Respond to this message" buttons on the last page. Be sure to copy-and-paste the title to the "Message Title" box. Be sure to copy-and-paste the text or a portion of the text for further discussion to the "Message Text" box. You may include the author and date of that post. Then, your response text follows. In this manner, the moderator will be able to locate the post on the last page and approve it.[/color]
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October 10th, 2015, 12:48 pm #4



I can take a hint... and a break. Off to breakfast with Lee. Later.


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October 14th, 2015, 10:48 pm #5

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Thanks for the explanation/suggestion, Ken.

For those who need to know, clicking the "Respond to this message" of the INITIAL message/post on page 1 of any thread will automatically put that response at the bottom of the last page. We do this when posting a new sub-topic is desired, even if we expect that it may disrupt an ongoing discussion above it. The moderator can easily locate this post on the last page for approval.

We will continue to use the 100-page thread scenario for now (and a page is limited to 20 posts/messages):

(1) It is not an issue to respond to any of the posts on the last page. The response will always display on the same last page (p. 100) or on the next page (which will now be p. 101) when page 100 is full. The moderator will easily locate the last post to be approved. The moderator may attempt to locate the post to be approved on the preceding page 99 or page 98, but patience runs out when the post to be approved is located on page 97 or earlier.

(2) If may be an issue when responding to a post that's not on the last page. It is an issue when responding to a post between page 1 and page 99. The moderator knows that there is a post pending approval, but doesn't know where that post is located. We don't have the time to locate "Approve" from page 1 to page 100.

(3) Ken's suggestion will help: If responding to a post on page 97 or earlier, go to page 100 (the last page) and click any of the "Respond to this message" buttons on the last page. Be sure to copy-and-paste the title to the "Message Title" box. Be sure to copy-and-paste the text or a portion of the text for further discussion to the "Message Text" box. You may include the author and date of that post. Then, your response text follows. In this manner, the moderator will be able to locate the post on the last page and approve it.[/color]

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IT TECH HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.

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October 16th, 2015, 9:39 pm #6

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The new paging mechanism, designed by Network54 for this forum and forums in general, while it has certain advantages, has created other issues. It is advantageous when one can go directly to the first page or the last page. I believe it is assumed that most posters would want to publish their messages at or near the end of the thread, thus, continuity of communication between/among posters is maintained. However, when one responds directly to an "old" post on page 35 [and say there are 100 pages now] and the response appears on page 38, it is very difficult to locate that response between page 35 and page 100. (On the other hand, locating this particular response would not be difficult in the old system as explained below).

One advantage that the previous one-page system had was the capability to view a particular thread in its entirety. Generally, there was continuity in the sequence of the "events" [or posts] of the thread. If not, there was always the date of the post available for searches [as in search: "September 5 2015"]. Significantly, it was very easy and not that time-consuming to scroll up or down the one long page. From the moderator's standpoint, it was easy to search the entire long page for the word "Approve" and [Voila!!!] it's there.

Based on my own observations, I think that to alleviate the problem of a yet-to-be-approved post that is not showing on the last page:

(1) It would be best not to post on the last page. Posting on the last page (by responding to the INITIAL post of the thread) disrupts the continuity of the communication currently going on between posts/posters as it creates an entirely new sub-topic.

(2) In conjunction with (1), it would be best to continue an ongoing conversation, as we've been accustomed to doing, by clicking the "Respond to this message" button for that post. Under normal circumstances, the intended response will show directly and immediately below that post. Continuity of the conversation is maintained.

(3) Keep in mind that posting on the last page, which disrupts an ongoing "conversation," should be reserved for times when some conversation has ceased and it's time for a new sub-topic (still within the same thread) to be posted and discussed.

If there are concerns or questions for consideration, please post them here.
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No doubt, Network54 has dropped the ball. Information technology (IT) is the application of computers and telecommunications equipment to store, retrieve, transmit and manipulate data. Probably the IT Tech is "goofing off". It should not take this long to correct this problem.
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October 20th, 2015, 5:37 pm #7


Ken, I am impressed with your troubleshooting skills on the paging problem. Perhaps you need to reach out to the IT Tech and come to a solution on this problem. Keep up the good work.

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October 26th, 2015, 1:02 am #8

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The new paging mechanism, designed by Network54 for this forum and forums in general, while it has certain advantages, has created other issues. It is advantageous when one can go directly to the first page or the last page. I believe it is assumed that most posters would want to publish their messages at or near the end of the thread, thus, continuity of communication between/among posters is maintained. However, when one responds directly to an "old" post on page 35 [and say there are 100 pages now] and the response appears on page 38, it is very difficult to locate that response between page 35 and page 100. (On the other hand, locating this particular response would not be difficult in the old system as explained below).

One advantage that the previous one-page system had was the capability to view a particular thread in its entirety. Generally, there was continuity in the sequence of the "events" [or posts] of the thread. If not, there was always the date of the post available for searches [as in search: "September 5 2015"]. Significantly, it was very easy and not that time-consuming to scroll up or down the one long page. From the moderator's standpoint, it was easy to search the entire long page for the word "Approve" and [Voila!!!] it's there.

Based on my own observations, I think that to alleviate the problem of a yet-to-be-approved post that is not showing on the last page:

(1) It would be best not to post on the last page. Posting on the last page (by responding to the INITIAL post of the thread) disrupts the continuity of the communication currently going on between posts/posters as it creates an entirely new sub-topic.

(2) In conjunction with (1), it would be best to continue an ongoing conversation, as we've been accustomed to doing, by clicking the "Respond to this message" button for that post. Under normal circumstances, the intended response will show directly and immediately below that post. Continuity of the conversation is maintained.

(3) Keep in mind that posting on the last page, which disrupts an ongoing "conversation," should be reserved for times when some conversation has ceased and it's time for a new sub-topic (still within the same thread) to be posted and discussed.

If there are concerns or questions for consideration, please post them here.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]A few months ago, I reported this issue:[/color]

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The "Respond to this message" Button Malfunction
May 5 2015 at 11:05 PM


[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I've been having an issue with this button "Respond to this message" in recent weeks. There are times when the response to a message is not posted immediately below as expected.

It's confusing to the reader to see a number of messages IN BETWEEN the original post and the expected "immediate" response to that post.

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<blockquote>Responses
May 6 2015, 10:37 AM


[color=#000000" size="3" face="times][...] are just like starting posts. They should show up immediately unless the forum is moderated, like this forum is. Try clearing your cache and make sure your system clock is set correctly for your time zone. Believe it or not, that is a common issue.[/color]
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]I do not recall having this issue prior to the implementation of the new paging mechanism (while the forum was also moderated at the time).

My own solution to this would be: Let the one-page system do its routine (as it did prior to the new paging system); then allot 20 posts per page after that.

Rocnar, since you seem to have troubleshooting skills on the paging problem, what would you suggest?[/color]
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October 26th, 2015, 1:20 am #9

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The new paging mechanism, designed by Network54 for this forum and forums in general, while it has certain advantages, has created other issues. It is advantageous when one can go directly to the first page or the last page. I believe it is assumed that most posters would want to publish their messages at or near the end of the thread, thus, continuity of communication between/among posters is maintained. However, when one responds directly to an "old" post on page 35 [and say there are 100 pages now] and the response appears on page 38, it is very difficult to locate that response between page 35 and page 100. (On the other hand, locating this particular response would not be difficult in the old system as explained below).

One advantage that the previous one-page system had was the capability to view a particular thread in its entirety. Generally, there was continuity in the sequence of the "events" [or posts] of the thread. If not, there was always the date of the post available for searches [as in search: "September 5 2015"]. Significantly, it was very easy and not that time-consuming to scroll up or down the one long page. From the moderator's standpoint, it was easy to search the entire long page for the word "Approve" and [Voila!!!] it's there.

Based on my own observations, I think that to alleviate the problem of a yet-to-be-approved post that is not showing on the last page:

(1) It would be best not to post on the last page. Posting on the last page (by responding to the INITIAL post of the thread) disrupts the continuity of the communication currently going on between posts/posters as it creates an entirely new sub-topic.

(2) In conjunction with (1), it would be best to continue an ongoing conversation, as we've been accustomed to doing, by clicking the "Respond to this message" button for that post. Under normal circumstances, the intended response will show directly and immediately below that post. Continuity of the conversation is maintained.

(3) Keep in mind that posting on the last page, which disrupts an ongoing "conversation," should be reserved for times when some conversation has ceased and it's time for a new sub-topic (still within the same thread) to be posted and discussed.

If there are concerns or questions for consideration, please post them here.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There are times when I need to correspond with a poster via email. (In the past, this forum provided an option for a poster to enter an email address.)

Please feel free to communicate with me at this address: donniecruz@msn.com

I cannot promise to check my inbox promptly or constantly. But I can promise to keep it all confidential unless told otherwise.

Thanks,

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April 11th, 2016, 5:46 am #10

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The new paging mechanism, designed by Network54 for this forum and forums in general, while it has certain advantages, has created other issues. It is advantageous when one can go directly to the first page or the last page. I believe it is assumed that most posters would want to publish their messages at or near the end of the thread, thus, continuity of communication between/among posters is maintained. However, when one responds directly to an "old" post on page 35 [and say there are 100 pages now] and the response appears on page 38, it is very difficult to locate that response between page 35 and page 100. (On the other hand, locating this particular response would not be difficult in the old system as explained below).

One advantage that the previous one-page system had was the capability to view a particular thread in its entirety. Generally, there was continuity in the sequence of the "events" [or posts] of the thread. If not, there was always the date of the post available for searches [as in search: "September 5 2015"]. Significantly, it was very easy and not that time-consuming to scroll up or down the one long page. From the moderator's standpoint, it was easy to search the entire long page for the word "Approve" and [Voila!!!] it's there.

Based on my own observations, I think that to alleviate the problem of a yet-to-be-approved post that is not showing on the last page:

(1) It would be best not to post on the last page. Posting on the last page (by responding to the INITIAL post of the thread) disrupts the continuity of the communication currently going on between posts/posters as it creates an entirely new sub-topic.

(2) In conjunction with (1), it would be best to continue an ongoing conversation, as we've been accustomed to doing, by clicking the "Respond to this message" button for that post. Under normal circumstances, the intended response will show directly and immediately below that post. Continuity of the conversation is maintained.

(3) Keep in mind that posting on the last page, which disrupts an ongoing "conversation," should be reserved for times when some conversation has ceased and it's time for a new sub-topic (still within the same thread) to be posted and discussed.

If there are concerns or questions for consideration, please post them here.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]As we know by now , there are two ways to "respond to this message":

(1) Responding to the INITIAL post published by the original author: When you click the "Respond to this message" button, your response will be published at the bottom of the thread on the last page, and it will be indented leftmost. We would normally not want to do this because it cuts off whatever communication or discussion that has been going on earlier. This may be used only when the intent is to begin a new topic within that thread when no one has posted in a while; so, unless this is the reason, please choose the other option below (2):

(2) Responding to any post other than the initial post: When you click the "Respond to this message" button, your message will be published IMMEDIATELY BELOW the post you're responding to. This is the preferred way in order to keep the flow of communication or discussion going. [/color]
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