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December 27th, 2015, 8:12 pm #31

One of the documents I have ridicules the modern concept of MELODIA (An ODE to be Sung). The point missed at ALL of the factories he notes is the common use of PARALLELISM. God says what He wants us to do and then as antithesis says what we are NOT to do. That prevents the Sectarians from using their LAW OF SILENCE: Quote part of the verse and then be SILENT about the DON'T DO THIS.

There is NO Doctor of the Law you know who can READ the text by the Purpose Driven Christ when you just quote a WORD and say that give YOU the authority to IMPOSE all kinds of LEGALISM on you and YOU should agree or YOU should leave (Madison's Elders.)

<font face="arial" size="4">The WRATH the men were forbidden to let BREAK OUT is the word ORGE or ORGY: when God pours out His wrath on you He forces you to CALL IN THE CLOWNS or PANS. The ELDERS have to do with the SPEAKING or curing spiritual BLINDNESS but they have no authority or ability to take MY part of meditating IN THE HEART about what is spoken. The obscene and blasphemous teams say "watch US as we worship and if YOU do what WE do then YOU will be worshiping." Blasphemy is a terrible charge to escape: much more vile than chopping off heads in the name of religion.

PLATO Rep. 493d that it is wisdom to have learned to know the moods
and the pleasures of the motley multitude in their assembly,
whether about painting or music or, for that matter, politics?
For if a man associates with these and offers and exhibits to them his poetry
or any other product of his craft or any political. service,
and grants the mob authority over himself more than is unavoidable,
the proverbial necessity of Diomede will compel him to give the public what it likes,
but that what it likes is really good and honorable,
have you ever heard an attempted proof of this that is not simply ridiculous?”5

katagelaston is a strong word. “Make the very jack-asses laugh” would give the tone
“impartial persons have to say with a sigh that . . . they have heard no argument advanced for it but such as might make the angels and almost the very jack-asses weep

That's the reason the "hens" flee when they discover that they are under a "chicken hawk.

G. C. Brewer notes that the piano player and song leader in a luncheon club were missing: two "gospel" preachers rose to the occasion and made themselves "human." (A Medley on the Music Question, p. 11-12, Gospel Advocate, 1948)

But Brewer says: "Singing is the law, you have to perform it."

In ancient paganism especially among the Canaanites and Hittites a poem or song was the personal property of the composer. After they died the song was put into the "catalog" of sacred songs and placed in the public domain. Thereafter, you could sing it as your own attack upon the gods. I am afraid that once poems have been put into the "catalog" and filtered through the money changer's hands they become sacred songs. Blue books are more sacred than the gold books--or is it the gold books are more sacred than the red book?

"Isaac Errett who influenced Campbell to sign over his copyright, had argued that it was absolutely necessary to the unity of the church to have unity of worship, and the latter could not be maintained unless the brethren all used one hymn book--Campbell's.

Accordingly, the Standard and the Society opposed vigorously the publication of any other hymn book. Lipscomb by selling a hymn book printed in Canada had been visited by some of the ire of these men." (West, Life and Times of David Lipscomb, p. 171)

The Christian Standard then and now sowing discord denied that their COULD BE and proving that there WAS NOT any kind of unity between Churches of Christ and the Disciples-Christian churches. The attempt to "take Tennessee for the organ and society party withing five years" was based on collectivizing everyone to procure song books and Bible study material from the "mother" of division. The fact that there was deliberate sowing of discord over song books proves that there was noting among the Presbyterians but the metrical Psalms.

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December 27th, 2015, 8:43 pm #32

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
The only meaning of physical worship is to bow down or fall on your face like a fawning dog. The godly Jews attended synagogue or SCHOOL on their rest day and were quarantined from the house in the place called Jerusalem. God never commanded anything connected with EARTHLY Jerusalem which is called Bondage or Sodom. The Jews and Samaritans argued over the place of worship but Jesus told the woman at the well that spiritual worship is in the PLACE of the Spirit. Unless you are engaged in bondage you don't assemble to WORSHIP by performing certain rituals: worship is giving attention to something or some one: you cannot give attention to God and His Word if someone is sucking up all of the air and attention to themselves.

The Worship concept always defined after silencing the self-seekers is to read and understand the Word. A precondition is to see that the Lord's Supper is not some place you whistle and clap but you SUBMIT your body as a sacrifice (burn it up) so that you can engage in SPIRITUAL worship defined as giving attention to the Word, Logos or Regulative principle. The Word is claimed as the only way to convey (by breath or spirit) the Mind of God and that is the only way to RENEW the Spirit OF your mind or educate the body.

If Jesus says that Worship is NOT in houses or places but IN the mind or Spirit which is, by invitation only, OUTSIDE the gates where we "Learn of Him" and REST: no ticket takers or money changers need apply.

Really, little minds, do you REALLY think that God needs or even hears (Isaiah 11) your sound or oogles with His eyes?

If you DO that and need to be hired then don't you call Jesus Christ a Liar?


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December 28th, 2015, 3:58 pm #33

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
A Church of Christ is--by definition--built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles as the meaning of Holy Scripture. The end-time robbers of temples build upon the CURSE of the Laws of the Monarchy. The Prophetic Types define the REST-SCHOOL of the synagogue then and the Church as the Kingdom of Christ over which HE rules as prophet, priest, king, word, light and SOLE Teacher. Jesus fulfilled "that which was written concerning Him." The Apostles were eye- and ear- witnesses and left us a MEMORY of the CERTIFIED PROPHETIC GOSPEL. Peter Said that certified gospel is NOT subject to private interpretation because it came by God breathing the Word into Jesus of Nazareth WHOM HE MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ. He said that NOT teaching the revealed Word is left as a MARK to identify false teachers who are Purpose Driven and cursed spirits.

Rev. 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, FOR the WORD of God, and for the TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ.

Those who want to be rich and famous and on the workshop MENUS, eat, drink and be merry because you are NOT a follower of Christ in tribulations. The ACCUSERS knew that it was KAIROS time or the RIGHT TIME TO MOUNT AN ATTACK because they know that their TIME IS SHORT.

Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev. 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev. 12:11 And they overcame him by the BLOOD of the Lamb, and by the WORD of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath [ANGRY BREATH], because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [KAIROS]

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The WORD is the LOGOS is the Regulative principle OUTLAWING personal opinions or experiences, singing, playing instruments, acting or any of that PURPOSE DRIVEN to keep the WORD away from those they can MASS and FLEECE by selling their OWN word.

In ALL of the references the collective activity is to READ or HEAR or SPEAK the Word one to another. Group Worship leaders are as obscene as group sex leaders: worship other than legalistic body activity is PERSONAL and IN the place of the SPIRIT which has been "washed with water INTO the Word" or Into the School of Christ. If you stick with the prophesied schools or churches not WORD OF GOD FOCUSED then maybe that is your DESTINY because you defacto try to silence the MOUTH OF THE VICTIM where religious music was known as SACRED VIOLENCE.


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December 28th, 2015, 9:03 pm #34

The only HOUSES for the godly class was the synagogue: A School of the Word Only:<font>
Psa. 74:8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.

They have STOLEN all of the Synagogues of Christ for their own use. You can LEARN together but notice that the worship is HE or HER which is in the PLACE of the human spirit which is the only "place" or dwelling place God will even look for honoring HIM.

If the preacher wants the old people to sell their valuables so that he can build "houses of worship" God has a word of warning about Him.

Hos. 8:13 They offer sacrifices given to me
.....and they eat the meat,
.....but the LORD is not pleased with them.
.....Now he will remember their wickedness
.....and punish their sins:
.....They will return to Egypt.
Hos. 8:14 For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities:
.....but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.

After the Elders FIRED God and demanded a king:

2Sam. 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD,
.....Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
2Sam. 7:6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house
.....since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day,
.....but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

The Jews murdered Stephen for debunking the temple and all that it included.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein,
.....seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth,
.....dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, though he needed any thing,
.....seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
.....and hath determined the times before appointed,
.....and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17:27 That they should SEEK [worship] the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him,
.....though he be not far from every one of us:

........Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
........for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
.......and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
.....we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
.....graven by art and man’s device. [thoughts]
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at;
.....but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, he had appointed, speaking unto Moses,
.....that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
Acts 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles,
.....whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
Acts 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
Acts 7:47 BUT Solomon built him an house.
Acts 7:48 HOWBEIT the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool:
.....what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

God does not dwell in houses made by human hands
If the preacher, elders and musicians want YOU to build them a HOUSE
And they promise you that they can lead you into the presence of God.
Then they or God is lying.

If they hire a worship leader to work all week rehearsing and the produces the WORKS of his own hands.
And the "leaders" want you to HIRE the HIRELING
Then God or ALL of your "leadership" are liars.

SEEKING God by PREACHING the WORD (only) by READING the Word is the ONLY thing that YOU can do for yourself as a way to SAVE YOURSELVES FROM THIS CROOKED RACE or RACE OF VIPERS.

If you SUPPORT angels of light then you will burn with them.</font>

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December 29th, 2015, 1:08 am #35

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?


December 29th, 2015, 4:43 pm #36

How about this? Just trying to help you. ... orship.pdf


December 29th, 2015, 5:25 pm #37


Quakers believe . . .

Every person is known by God and can know God in a direct relationship.

The Quaker faith has deep Christian roots. Many Quakers consider themselves Christians, and some do not. Many Quakers find meaning and value in the teachings of many faiths.

Quakers strive to live lives that are guided by a direct encounter with the Divine, more than by teachings about the Divine. Quaker terms for the Holy include God, the Seed, the Light Within, and the Inward Teacher, among others.

Testimonies are ways that Quakers have found to express our experience of the Divine in our lives. Some of the best recognized testimonies include simplicity, integrity, equality, community, and peace.

Quaker worship . . .

Quakers gather in the silence and wait expectantly to come into the presence of the Divine and to be guided by the still, small voice by which God speaks to us from within. During the silence anyone—child, woman, or man—may feel moved to offer a simple spoken message (vocal ministry) that is inspired by this holy encounter. Following the message, the silence resumes. A period of worship may include several messages or none.

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December 30th, 2015, 12:56 am #38

They should dig up Jim Jones: he could brew them up some KoolAid and they would be in the presence of "someone."

Gen. 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

You-They might honor the Spirit OF Christ WHICH (since it is the breath of God) who defined the Assembly or School of Christ until Jesus returns for his very tiny flock.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

We have a band of bad brothers who quake and shake and claim that THEY are apostles and prophets and YOU had better not question their vain and evil imagination.

You should visit Quaker town. Some of the presbyterians on the Christian's view of restoration "fell in" with the Quakers.

When they or apostate preachers claim that a spirit told them it was ok to sow discord.
And it was just their vain and intimidating imagination.
Christ says that they are BLASPHEMERS.

People who write and deliver post-Biblical sermons believe that they are so inspired as one apostate says BECAUSE THE ELDERS CALLED ME BACK are delusional and the marks are "worship rituals" featuring rhetoric, singing, playing, acting or other ACTS they claim are honoring GOD. But, we note that God does not live in houses built by human hands so the PRAISE TEAM had better watch out in their LIFING UP: that ceiling might be God LIMITING them to their own obscenity.

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December 31st, 2015, 2:52 am #39

Scripture proves that the Spirit OF Christ exercises His will or MIND when we obey His command to teach and observe what He commanded: giving attention to the word causes "the Day Star to arise in our heart." The Quakers undoubtedly were well versed in the Scriptures and certainly the melody or MEDITATION in the heart (a place) is intended. No real learning happens until you meditate on the principles so that you can explain the teaching to yourself AFTER the lecture is over." So STUDY could profit by a period proving that "both male and female can be silent" so that "All might be saved or safe and come to a knowledge of the truth." You certainly would not have your physical and emotional health damaged by NOT listening to hundreds or thousands making the same NOISE (God's term). The demand that the Wife discuss the PREACHING by READING at home agrees with Peter's outlawing of private interpretation or further expounding: A sophists presumes to EXPOUND that which Jesus has expounded and according to Peter debunks the Spirit OF God who affirmed the prophecies by Jesus Who validated HIS right to be the only Master Teacher by signs and wonders. This paper heeds the warning of Christ in Ezekiel 33 that selling sermons, singing and playing instruments is the mark of refusing to preach or learn the Words of God.

"You easily understand how a taste for music is one thing, and a real submission to the influence of religion is another; how the ear may be regaled by the melody of sound, and the heart may utterly refuse the proper impression of the sense that is conveyed by it; how the sons and daughters of the world may, with their every affection devoted to its perishable vanities, inhale all the delights of enthusiasm, as they sit in crowded assemblage, around the deep and solemn oratorio." "It is a very possible thing, that the moral and the rational and the active man, may have given no entrance into his bosom for any of the sentiments, and yet so overpowered may he be by the charm of vocal conveyance through which they are addressed to him, that he may be made to feel with such an emotion, and to weep with such a tenderness, and to kindle with such a transport, and to glow with such an elevation, as may one and all carry upon them the semblance of sacredness." -- Chalmers' Works, Phila., 1830, p.107-8.

George Fox declares that he was led to cry out against all sorts of music; and the advices of our Society down to modern times have been uniformly in the same direction. It has been felt that the time required to become a proficient in its practice was improperly taken from more important uses;

that the emotions it produces have no tendency to strengthen the intellectual or moral character; that the most melodious sounds that human instruments can make have no power to implant principles, give strength to resist temptation or eradicate selfishness;

that the love of music often leads into associations which are corrupting in their character, as is shown by its use in promoting the frivolity of the ball-room, and the dissipation of the drinking-saloon, and especially in exciting the passions and drowning the sensibilities of those engaged in the awful conflicts of the battle-field;

and that it is often resorted to to dispel the feelings of sadness and inquietude which are spread over the mind at times by the Holy Spirit, and are the merciful visitations of our compassionate Redeemer, designed to draw the thoughts away from earthly things, and to fix them upon the alone Source of never ending happiness. Instead of quietly and patiently abiding under these dispensations, with the mind stayed on the Lord, in order to experience their full benefit, if any of these visited ones should resort to instruments of music and other means of dissipating the impressions on their minds, it will be likely to mar the blessing designed by this extension of the mercy of God to their souls.

The same kind of reasoning, which would defend the use of music and singing as amusements, may also be urged in support of dancing, attending theatrical exhibitions, and other indulgences, which, in the aggregate, distinguish the man of the world from the self-denying follower of Christ.



January 9th, 2016, 2:31 pm #40

Do the "Disciples of Christ" believe in Church singing?