Church Singing

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December 22nd, 2015, 11:05 pm #21

Jesus said that the Kingdom is within us: it does not come with OBSERVATION which means Religious Observations or operations. Those observations which repudiate Jesus saying that worship is in the SPIRIT as a PLACE in contrast to the PLACE of Jerusalem. That worship is uniquely Giving Heed to the Word which is the only way we non-sorcerers can give our attention (worship) to the WORD which is the Power to Salvation and the prescribed (prophets and apostles) the only BUILDING or EDUCATING resource for the assembly. By direct Command and approved examples that began ONCE A WEEK as a REST day noted as SKHOLE day for education.

Jacob cursed Levi and commanded that people NOT attend their "synagogues" nor enter into covenant with them (Genesis 49). The godly classes were quarantined from the Temple-State system which was not a COMMAND but a DEATH SENTENCE.

The pagans were especially fond of creating spectacles of worship where they used magic to create LYING WONDERS to soften up the heads and pick their pockets. Some of the best engineering by Hero and others went into producing machines for doing hard work which defines a "musical instruments" including a simple organ run on water power.

For those who violate the Logos or Regulative Principle God sends strong delusions which causes the "priesthood" to produce lying wonders. These included speakers, singers, players, actors, jugglers, mimics and others. If one can get a tiny grasp of GOD one will be shamed and disgusted by anyone pretending to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. This displays the MARK of trying to ascend or have Christ descend when THE WORD WE PREACH is near you. Lying Wonders are best understood by being PAUL or Simple Simon Literate about humanoids serving up magical mushrooms, poppy incense or great KoolAid.

When God is in His Holy Temple let all the earth keep silence before Him. A lamb of the Little Flock (mikros) will accept the old Madison's Elder's invitation "that if you do not agree then just leave." See David Rhoades lecture on home page.



<font face="arial" size="4">Philo of Alexandria had already emphasized the ethical qualities of music, spurning the 'effeminate' art of his Gentile surroundings. Similarly, early synagogue song intentionally foregoes artistic perfection, renounces the playing of instruments, and attaches itself entirely to 'the word'the TEXT of the Bible" (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")

IS YOUR EVENING CONGREGATION DISGUISED AS EMPTY PEWS? Especially after the feminine-effeminate focus on "worship rituals" to silence the PATRIARCHAL GOD.

National Coalition of Men's Ministries head, Daniel Erickson, in most churches, "a man can't be a man," said Daniel Erickson.

"Eighty percent of pastors are "more in tune to their feminine side" and are artistic, creative, and musical, Erickson said, citing a study done by The Navigators.

"But "the problem is that 80% of men are not, so 20% of pastors who are more in tune to their male side are trying to help 80% of men."

"The current preoccupation with the role of women in the church obscures the more serious problem of the perennial absence of men. A Provocative new book argues that Western churches have become "women's clubs," that the emasculation of Christianity is dangerous for the church and society.






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Hebrew music... was used in the luxurious times of the later monarchy the effeminate gallants of Israel, reeking with perfumes, and stretched upon their couches of ivory, were wont at their banquets to accompany the song with the tinkling of the psaltery or guitar (Am. v1. 4-6), and amused themselves with devising musical instruments while their nation was perishing... music was the legitimate expression of mirth and gladness, and the indication of peace and prosperity." (Smith's, Music, p. 590).

"An artificial, effeminate music which should relax the soul, frittering the melody, and displacing the power and majesty of divine harmony by tricks of art, and giddy, thoughtless, heartless, souless versifying would be meet company." (Barnes, Albert, Amos, p. 303).


H. Bamfort Parkes, Of Men and Gods notes of the Levite's musical prophesying or sorcery:

'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, usually became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions. Released from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of magic, the shaman, sorcerer, or medicine man was the world's first professional."

"The development both of religion and of the arts can be traced back in a continuous line to the hunting era. The group ritual of the primeval tribesmen were the origin not only of all religious ceremonial, but also of the drama and of poetry and music, while magic gave birth to the visual arts." (Parkes, p. 30).

"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence any ABNORMAL Emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods, and many tribes supposed LUNATICS and SEXUAL DEVIANTS to be divinely possessed.

In most early societies, moreover, men evolved techniques for deliberately inducing the abnormal forms of consciousness in which they supposed themselves to achieve union with divine power, sometimes by the use of drugs and other physiological stimuli, sometimes by hypnotic dances and music.

Billed as the best "venue for Rock and Roll" the sudden rise of the professional musician with an advanced degree in worship or spiritual formation PROVE that the role is rarely to TEACH AND ADMONISH with the Spirit or Word of Christ. This is the feminist authority: Authentia or Self-willed authority Paul silenced in both male and female SO THAT we might all be SAFE and come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH. The Word is THE TRUTH so Rocky is the authority having something against the ONE PIECE PATTERN of "teaching that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT."

THE WORSHIP TEAM: OUTLAWED FOR THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS, PROPHESIED IN PSALM 41, FULFILLED IN MARK 10, PROPHESIED IN REVELATION 17F, AND FULFILLED IN AN EX-CHURCH NEAR YOU.

THIS IS ROCKY'S AUTHORITY: APOLLON-ABADDON IS THE "SPIRITUS" LEADER OF THE MUSES OR LOCUSTS KNOWN AS DIRTY ADULTERESSES: Selling for Jesus is a bad occupation: the plague in Revelation speaks of "plucking" an instrument or "running sores."

WHAT IS A PLAGUE: PLESSO 3. strike or stamp as one does a coin, Kuprios kharaktēr . en gunaikeiois tupois “peplēktai” Strike a string with a key, of Zeus, strike with lightning, sting, II. metaph. in Pass., receive a blow, to be heavily defeated, to be stricken by misfortune

Ps 1:1 Blessed is the man that
walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Seat is Cathedra professor's chair, teacher usurpo [sectarian-heretic] to seize to one's own use,

impĭus (inp- ), a, um, adj. 2. in-pius, I. without reverence or respect for God, one's parents, or one's country; irreverent, ungodly, undutiful, unpatriotic; abandoned, wicked, impious (rare but class.; cf.: nefarius, sacrilegus. Tumultus “quis sonitu ac tumultu tanto nomine nominat me atque pulsat aedes?” Plaut. Bacch. 5, 2, 1: B. Of speech, confusion, disorder: “sermonis,” Plin. 7, 12, 10, § 55: “criminum,”

pestĭlentĭa a plague, pest, pestilence (poet. and in postclass. prose): “oratio plena veneni et pestilentiae,” Cat. 44, 11: “cathedra pestilentiae,” the seat of the scornful, Vulg. Psa. 1, 1.—

All of the progressives LIE to God and About God: they are their own authority and GRACE gives them the authority to twist Scripture to their own destruction and to anyone who continues to support and defend them. ELSE they would respond..



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December 23rd, 2015, 3:55 am #22

Jesus said that the Kingdom is within us: it does not come with OBSERVATION which means Religious Observations or operations. Those observations which repudiate Jesus saying that worship is in the SPIRIT as a PLACE in contrast to the PLACE of Jerusalem. That worship is uniquely Giving Heed to the Word which is the only way we non-sorcerers can give our attention (worship) to the WORD which is the Power to Salvation and the prescribed (prophets and apostles) the only BUILDING or EDUCATING resource for the assembly. By direct Command and approved examples that began ONCE A WEEK as a REST day noted as SKHOLE day for education.

Jacob cursed Levi and commanded that people NOT attend their "synagogues" nor enter into covenant with them (Genesis 49). The godly classes were quarantined from the Temple-State system which was not a COMMAND but a DEATH SENTENCE.

The pagans were especially fond of creating spectacles of worship where they used magic to create LYING WONDERS to soften up the heads and pick their pockets. Some of the best engineering by Hero and others went into producing machines for doing hard work which defines a "musical instruments" including a simple organ run on water power.

For those who violate the Logos or Regulative Principle God sends strong delusions which causes the "priesthood" to produce lying wonders. These included speakers, singers, players, actors, jugglers, mimics and others. If one can get a tiny grasp of GOD one will be shamed and disgusted by anyone pretending to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. This displays the MARK of trying to ascend or have Christ descend when THE WORD WE PREACH is near you. Lying Wonders are best understood by being PAUL or Simple Simon Literate about humanoids serving up magical mushrooms, poppy incense or great KoolAid.

When God is in His Holy Temple let all the earth keep silence before Him. A lamb of the Little Flock (mikros) will accept the old Madison's Elder's invitation "that if you do not agree then just leave." See David Rhoades lecture on home page.



<font face="arial" size="4">Philo of Alexandria had already emphasized the ethical qualities of music, spurning the 'effeminate' art of his Gentile surroundings. Similarly, early synagogue song intentionally foregoes artistic perfection, renounces the playing of instruments, and attaches itself entirely to 'the word'the TEXT of the Bible" (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")

IS YOUR EVENING CONGREGATION DISGUISED AS EMPTY PEWS? Especially after the feminine-effeminate focus on "worship rituals" to silence the PATRIARCHAL GOD.

National Coalition of Men's Ministries head, Daniel Erickson, in most churches, "a man can't be a man," said Daniel Erickson.

"Eighty percent of pastors are "more in tune to their feminine side" and are artistic, creative, and musical, Erickson said, citing a study done by The Navigators.

"But "the problem is that 80% of men are not, so 20% of pastors who are more in tune to their male side are trying to help 80% of men."

"The current preoccupation with the role of women in the church obscures the more serious problem of the perennial absence of men. A Provocative new book argues that Western churches have become "women's clubs," that the emasculation of Christianity is dangerous for the church and society.






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As a Presbyterian not connected to the Scotland National Church, Alexander Campbell would probably grown up with Psalmody Only background. The forms of poetic material mentioned by Paul are all in the BOOK OF PSALMS.

Some of the Psalms were rewritten to enable a simple melody and were sung in unison only in the beginning. He collected a song book with that in mind and songs have a Biblical notation. This agrees with the claim that "song books are the product of publishers and not churches."

His introduction is here

http://hymnalcollector.com/tag/alexander-campbell/

And the song book here here.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=u ... up;seq=678

This reads more like prayers and admonitions and most teach a Biblical Truth. I have looked at several and they can be "sung" probably best with 2 notes.

There is no practice of "congregational singing" until after the Reformation: some cities inherited the great cathedrals and were used for public concerts. This made "church" almost impossible and conditioned too many to entertainment.

Something is wrong with 16 or more centuries if none in that great academic world among religious people which did not AGREE with Rocky. Of course, they recognized the large body of Scripture restricting the education of the Church on the prophets and apostles and NONE of that could be sung.
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December 23rd, 2015, 4:14 am #23

We have noted that the Greek word for melody is MELOS: Psallo has never meant musical melody.

MELODY

1.musical sounds in agreeable succession or arrangement.
2 Music.

the succession of single tones in musical compositions, as distinguished from harmony and rhythm.
the principal part in a harmonic composition; the air.
a rhythmical succession of single tones producing a distinct musical phrase or idea.

3. a poem suitable for singing.
4. intonation, as of a segment of connected SPEECH.


Remember the strong delusion idea: nothing I ever post includes any expectation that anyone will care enough to agree or disagree. The question that a Disciple WILL ASK: is there really a command to make melody ONE TO ANOTHER? And because MELODY is not HARMONY (A Cappella 1 or 2 singing the same note) or complex harmony which produces DOZENS of voices which the Brain is totally occupied (worship) with trying to follow and sort out: that's why it is a laded burden and makes the "lord's" day a hard day's work and YOU pay THEM.
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December 23rd, 2015, 6:25 pm #24

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
After the Jubilee (called by the Pope) many churches believed that the only role of the assembly was to "worship." Earlier singing was based a bit on the idea of TEACHING. After the Vineyard or Wineskins hit the lecture circuit intending to RESTRUCTURE all congregations, the locals gave the good song books to a denominational group and bought the Howards book which is like the Vineyard model. The Praise Singer Leader broke out with all of the "college" ditties and cast me out to save my hearing and nerves. In time most left. The Law of Singing which must not be violated a a sin was the shadow PATTERN for worship teams (the vilest concept I know) and singing as defacto performance instrumental in style. It may matter less what one does since the kingdom does not come with "observation" but lying about Scripture and Recorded history as a WEDGE to "infiltrate and confiscate" property prays for God to Hate them for "singing in the temple) (Amos 8) to starve the lambs and deliberately sowing discord. The Cost-Benefit prayerful request let them boast of loosing half of the owners but soon making up the difference by "evangelism." That's why the promise of HELL and being CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE of fire makes sense because Jesus didn't come for those with a pseudo christian world views.

We must go beyond the Synagogue or Church in the Wilderness to Genesis 49 where Jacob cursed the SYNAGOGUE and COVENANT made with Levi. Because Abraham and his seed were to be a blessing to all of the scattered nations, Genesis tells us that God always had a SCHOOL of His Word and NEVER ordained the "worship of the starry host." The instrumental SERVICE of the Levites is the same word translated Abaddon-Apollon: they were under the King and Commanders of the Army which angels of light try to lay on the shoulders of widows and honest wage earners (never tithed)

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December 23rd, 2015, 10:18 pm #25

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
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December 24th, 2015, 4:00 pm #26

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
Because no one wants to stick their necks out with any kind of authority for "music" I will post the UNIVERSAL commands, and examples prior to long after the Reformation.

The REASON the progressives have elevated a "spirit-guided" authority for turning the "School of the Word" into a boasted "theater for holy entertainment" is that they do not believe that The Spirit OF Christ in the Prophets and Jesus in the Apostles is THE only building or EDUCATING resource they are authorized to use. The slickest angels of blight say that THEY have been evolved into the POST modern age where people were so primitive that they believed that THEY could read BLACK text on BROWN paper.

The the masses love to have it so.

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December 24th, 2015, 6:38 pm #27



Ken, this is what we have, Acts 16:25; Romans 15:9, 1 Corinthians 14:15, Ephesians 5:18-19; Colossians 3:16-17; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:13.

Do you believe this is the Word of God and thereby authorizes Church singing? How much clearer can it be?
I know you bet the farm, but Brother you are mislead.

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December 24th, 2015, 9:54 pm #28

You remember that the only time David engaged in GROUP singing and playing his instruments he WENT NAKED with the slave girls. If you watch the crime shows on TV that always seem to happen among the STAFF members.

Jas 5:13 Is ANY among you afflicted? let HIM pray. Is ANY merry? let HIM sing psalms.

The word is just Psallat
[13] tristatur aliquis vestrum oret aequo animo est psallat

This obviously does speak of the ASSEMBLY unless we leave the elders at HOME.

Jas 5:14 Is ANY sick among you? let HIM call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over HIM, anointing HIM with oil in the name of the Lord:


Maybe calling for the elders is an ACT OF WORSHIP replacing the SCHOOL TIME.

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December 24th, 2015, 10:31 pm #29

One of the documents I have ridicules the modern concept of MELODIA (An ODE to be Sung). The point missed at ALL of the factories he notes is the common use of PARALLELISM. God says what He wants us to do and then as antithesis says what we are NOT to do. That prevents the Sectarians from using their LAW OF SILENCE: Quote part of the verse and then be SILENT about the DON'T DO THIS.

There is NO Doctor of the Law you know who can READ the text by the Purpose Driven Christ when you just quote a WORD and say that give YOU the authority to IMPOSE all kinds of LEGALISM on you and YOU should agree or YOU should leave (Madison's Elders.)





<font face="arial" size="4">The WRATH the men were forbidden to let BREAK OUT is the word ORGE or ORGY: when God pours out His wrath on you He forces you to CALL IN THE CLOWNS or PANS. The ELDERS have to do with the SPEAKING or curing spiritual BLINDNESS but they have no authority or ability to take MY part of meditating IN THE HEART about what is spoken. The obscene and blasphemous teams say "watch US as we worship and if YOU do what WE do then YOU will be worshiping." Blasphemy is a terrible charge to escape: much more vile than chopping off heads in the name of religion.

PLATO Rep. 493d that it is wisdom to have learned to know the moods
and the pleasures of the motley multitude in their assembly,
whether about painting or music or, for that matter, politics?
For if a man associates with these and offers and exhibits to them his poetry
or any other product of his craft or any political. service,
and grants the mob authority over himself more than is unavoidable,
the proverbial necessity of Diomede will compel him to give the public what it likes,
but that what it likes is really good and honorable,
have you ever heard an attempted proof of this that is not simply ridiculous?”5


katagelaston is a strong word. “Make the very jack-asses laugh” would give the tone
“impartial persons have to say with a sigh that . . . they have heard no argument advanced for it but such as might make the angels and almost the very jack-asses weep


That's the reason the "hens" flee when they discover that they are under a "chicken hawk.

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December 25th, 2015, 12:32 am #30

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