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December 21st, 2015, 4:57 pm #11

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There are 3 expressions in the original question posed that need qualification. (O.K., "with instrumental music" is excluded from the question for now.) Our varying definitions of these expressions may be the reason for misunderstanding each other's explanation, plus lack of scriptural support.

Here are the variables:

1. Singing: (solo? duet? trio? quartet? choir? praise/worship team? congregational singing?)
2. Authorized: (allowed? commanded? en-sampled? necessarily implied? directed? silence-of-Scripture?)
3. In the "Church of Christ": (the N.T. church of Christ? the "Church of Christ" transformed into a denominational church by the progressive/liberal change agents?
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]More importantly, scriptural support/reference.

An example of a better-qualified, more-specific question: Is the "Praise/Worship Team" singing to/for the congregation what God expects when the saints assemble to break bread and study God's word?[/color]
Ken, you abuse the "Little Flock". That is for God to decide and not you.
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December 21st, 2015, 7:49 pm #12

All passages mentioned in the New Testament having to do with Christian worship authorize singing (Acts 16:25; Romans 15:9, 1 Corinthians 14:15, Ephesians 5:18-19; Colossians 3:16-17; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:13).

~2,000,000 CoC are on board with singing. Ken, I think your count is about 1.5 people (no singing) that agree with you.
Out of 3 or so million Jews, the prophesied tiny remnant who had not bowed to Baal was 120 Jews still alive when Jesus came.

Nope! I can count plethora of members who do not enjoy or cannot tolerate the CONFESSED "laded burden" known by Nimrod. They obey the ONLY invitation to 'church' God by the Spirit OF Christ prophesied and Jesus ELECTED or INVITED:

Matt. 11:28 Come unto me,
all ye that labour and are heavy laden, [burdensome singing+ money changing hands)
and I will give you rest. (Sunday: the most WORKS INTENSIVE day of the week)
Matt. 11:29 Take my yoke upon you,
nd LEARN of ME; [NOT at any group you know of or have heard of]
for I am meek and lowly in heart: [Not yours standing in the holy places]
and ye shall find REST unto your souls. [Not 24/7 if the STIFFING STAFF have their way]


Modern "praise singing" to prop up the failing gods and ALL of the "worship leaders" and new vineyard-like song books are based on the bodies of the BEAST being burned. NEVER EVER commanded by God----

Heb. 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts,
whose blood is brought into the sanctuary [Holy Eucharist]
by the high priest for sin,
are burned without the camp.


All of the NOISE made by the Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned Levites--now your worship team was called SORCERY in a panic to get rid of their OWN sins by slaughtering innocent animals which became a replacement for the Ritual Slaughter of the old failing gods.

"For Frazerians (followers of J.G. Frazer's theories), literature harks back to myths that were originally the scripts of the key primitive ritual of regularly killing and replacing the king in whom the god of vegetation resided, in order to ensure good crops for the community. "The king must die" is a familiar summary line"(p. xxii From Ritual to Romance).


Easter and the Eucharist and "crucifying Christ again with mental arousal" means that you have to EXECUTE your god or his agent before you can eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Of you BODY COUNT, Jesus elects or invites the Little Flock and God HIDES from the masses of the ecumenical, Hebrews says:

Heb. 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp,

[The CAMP where you assemble is the battle-array, army, castle]

bearing his reproach.


Prophesied in Psalm 41 and the Dead Sea Scrolls of the musical mocking of the future Messiah.

[ . . . ] )8[ . . . ] 19[ . . . which ] 20 [,, . they shall write . . . the trumpets of Col. 3 the battle formations, and the trumpets for assembling them when the gates of the war are opened so that the infantry might advance, the trumpets for the signal of the slain, the trumpets of 2 the ambush, the trumpets of pursuit when the enemy is defeated, and the trumpets of reassembly when the battle returns.

On the trumpets for the assembly of the congregation they shall write, "The called of God." 3 0n the trumpets for the assembly of the chiefs they shall write, "The princes of God." On the trumpets of the formations they shall write, "The rule of God." On the trumpets of the men of renown [they shall write], "The heads of the congregation's clans."


You don't know a SINGLE example of walking in the steps of Jesus or Paul.

2Th. 3:8 Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

You cannot see, hear, smell or FEEL it where the Kingdom gathers.

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT INVITATIONS TO WATCH RHETORICIANS, SINGERS OR INSTRUMENT PLAYERS PERFORM: Jesus called them hypocrites and Jesus said that God HIDES from them. Most of the latter-day spawn of humanity have been CUCKOLD and know nothing of the Church of Christ before it packed up and went INTO the cities.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
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December 22nd, 2015, 1:38 am #13


Ken, you abuse the "Little Flock". That is for God to decide and not you.
That's True: Jesus called it a LITTLE FLOCK: Most are called but FEW (mikros) are chosen. Isaiah and the Spirit OF Christ says that fools will not even be able to STUMBLE into the narrow ROAD or Pattern. If a church mocks the PATTERN then I know that they are not IT.

Then, I and an increasing number get the right not to SWARM with the MEGA-FLOCK.

With a degree in Electronics Engineering I know that there is nothing you can do to define the MIKROS with the MEGAS.

If the soft singing is turned over to a HIRELING (one who is hired) with a MEGA MOUTH then I get to decide to escape and save my ears and nerves.

If a little flock is led by a WOLF then I get to decide what is NOT for me. Only a tiny fraction are willing to PAY tithes and offerings to watch and listen to wimpy-burgers spreading the ham.
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December 22nd, 2015, 1:58 am #14

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
The Progressives led by a "spirit" assume authority to refute the Scriptures: they have a hate for the Logos or REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE. Because Jesus is the ARTICULATING Logos or Regulative principle they are in fact ANTI-CHRISTS

Their brains must be literally fried when you quote the recorded text and define the words which they will never be permitted access to in getting their Simonizing Certificate to speak FOR Jesus.

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December 22nd, 2015, 2:25 am #15

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
Jesus cantillated (dico) A hymn after Passover and WENT OUT: Why isn't that a PATTERN. They would have read or recited one of the hallel hymns which were, like most songs, to be repeated over and over: "Saying the Hallel daily is IDOLATRY" the resources say.

Singing in most postmodern churches totally ignore the Purpose of TEACHING and admonishing or exhorting by "Giving attendance to the public READING of the Word.

The song leader or "worship minister" probably randomly picks songs (and pay him for that) to fulfill the LAW OF SINGING. Most songs are repeated over and over for the pleasure of singing and that was and is considered IDOLATRY: giving attention to the singing of REPLACEMENT TEXT instead of Scripture.

That continues to MOCK the only Rabbi or teacher by singing your own bilge to KEEP FROM teaching that which Jesus commanded to be taught in the Prophets and Apostles. To say that a thing is "Christian" lies because it implies that Jesus taught it. The lie goes much deeper by claiming that Jesus said nothing against instruments. When they MOCK Jesus His task is to be SILENT but that silence does not give the anti-bible clergy give them the AUTHORITY to REWRITE the text and "writing yourself in as a greater than Moses or a greater than Jesus."



<font face="arial" size="4">Because there IS no rebuttal the progressives have banded together in never giving an answer beyond mocking them. That's the pattern: if you just speak the Word as Jesus just spoke the Word without any personal inputs He says you will be HATED. That is they way to mark the Little Flock from the Mega-flock who are purpose-driven to REJECT "knowing a crucified Christ." That's good!
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December 22nd, 2015, 3:21 am #16

All passages mentioned in the New Testament having to do with Christian worship authorize singing (Acts 16:25; Romans 15:9, 1 Corinthians 14:15, Ephesians 5:18-19; Colossians 3:16-17; Hebrews 2:12; James 5:13).

~2,000,000 CoC are on board with singing. Ken, I think your count is about 1.5 people (no singing) that agree with you.
Romans 15 begins with silencing SELF PLEASURE so that they can "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is WRITTEN for our LEARNING."

VERSE 8-9 TELLS WHAT JESUS WILL DO. Note that in ALL of the passage the Speaking, teaching or confessing is AUDIBLE and external which is what you do in the assembly which is a School of Christ says Scripture and the Campbells.

THEN the singing is TO GOD and not to the GENTILES

Rom. 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Rom. 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

Psa. 18:48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

David gets the victory: He can sing taunt songs against the heathen (gentile, enemy)

Psa. 18:49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

Neither of these are in the congregation assembled for EDUCATION only. You have another 167 hours in the week to go down to the streets and sing to the HEATHEN

h1471. ywø…g gowy, go´-ee; rarely (shortened) y…Og goy, go´-ee; apparently from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:—Gentile, heathen, nation, people


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December 22nd, 2015, 11:58 am #17

Jesus cantillated (dico) A hymn after Passover and WENT OUT: Why isn't that a PATTERN. They would have read or recited one of the hallel hymns which were, like most songs, to be repeated over and over: "Saying the Hallel daily is IDOLATRY" the resources say.

Singing in most postmodern churches totally ignore the Purpose of TEACHING and admonishing or exhorting by "Giving attendance to the public READING of the Word.

The song leader or "worship minister" probably randomly picks songs (and pay him for that) to fulfill the LAW OF SINGING. Most songs are repeated over and over for the pleasure of singing and that was and is considered IDOLATRY: giving attention to the singing of REPLACEMENT TEXT instead of Scripture.

That continues to MOCK the only Rabbi or teacher by singing your own bilge to KEEP FROM teaching that which Jesus commanded to be taught in the Prophets and Apostles. To say that a thing is "Christian" lies because it implies that Jesus taught it. The lie goes much deeper by claiming that Jesus said nothing against instruments. When they MOCK Jesus His task is to be SILENT but that silence does not give the anti-bible clergy give them the AUTHORITY to REWRITE the text and "writing yourself in as a greater than Moses or a greater than Jesus."



<font face="arial" size="4">Because there IS no rebuttal the progressives have banded together in never giving an answer beyond mocking them. That's the pattern: if you just speak the Word as Jesus just spoke the Word without any personal inputs He says you will be HATED. That is they way to mark the Little Flock from the Mega-flock who are purpose-driven to REJECT "knowing a crucified Christ." That's good!
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Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?

I ask a simple question and they will not answer.

Rocky says, Yes! SINGING IS AUTHORIZED in the Church of Christ.

Good Day!
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December 22nd, 2015, 5:47 pm #18

Then Rocky will tell us WHO authorized it or Rocky is spiritually terminal.

The PROPHETS defined the REST for the people quarantined FROM the Sacrificial system on the Sabbath. This was the Spirit OF Christ: that same Spirit or BREATH would certify the GOSPEL both inclusively and exclusively.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Against. ... pirit.html

That's why the Devil got your "tongue" or Judas' flute mouthpiece and you will NEVER be permitted to even SING "that which is written for our learning."

You say that you are AUTHORIZED to SING but refuse to even SING the poetic (never metrical) Bible text for LEARNING the Word spoken by Jesus.

If you say that ANY musical content is authorized for the Church of Christ which is built upon or EDUCATED by the prophets and apostles; both by the Spirit OF God speaking through Jesus Whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ;

And Jesus authorized us to teach and observe what HE commanded: He HYMNED just once and the Greeks identify HYMNS as PRAYERS. He would NOT hymn again because that would be idolatry and He SYNAGOGUED with the disciples at least twice. They didn't even SING when they met in Solomon's porch EVEN if the scholars tell you that they WORSHIPPED in the Inner Court: even then there is no evidence of the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites making instrumental noise.

Then authorized means that you have Christ commanding, exampling or even hinting of music to ASSIST His commanded resources.

1. f you say that music is authorized
2. And there is no command, example or remote inference from Genesis to Revelation and way past the Reformation.
3. The Spirit OF Christ charges you with blasphemy.

Hey! I forgot Scholarly 101a: God never said THOU SHALT NOT BLASPHEME.

You must mean that Rick Atchley or Jay Guin or some of the DEFUNCT spirits gave you authority because the personified SPIRITUS points to Apollon-Abaddon who was-is the leader of his musical worship team: the muses-locusts "dirty shepherdesses" in the classics.

YOU sing because YOU believe that if you don't OBEY THE LAW OF SINGING God will NOT be enthused and will not give you a 10-to-1 RETURN on your investment which will be DIVERTED. Group singing we learned in Cave-Habitation 101a is to BIND the members of the tribe to the ALPHA MALE. Recorded History derives MUSIC from MYSTERY which means to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER: Example is Jesus. When the Jews who WERE men but now BOYS "piped" they wanted Jesus to lament and dance the Dionysus (Wineskins) initiation into the gay brotherhood.

The Madison people were promised a huge return if they TITHED and promised them a world of hurt if they did not obey the law. The Law of Aaron laying by with Aaron was never in recorded history a LAW of laying by in the Senior Pastor's pot. Because you probably claim the money for the starving to PERFORM a gig when there is no command, example or early history to back you up, then the Spirit OF Christ says you are BLASPHEMING.
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December 22nd, 2015, 7:17 pm #19

Is singing authorized in the Church Of Christ?
Jesus said that the Kingdom is within us: it does not come with OBSERVATION which means Religious Observations or operations. Those observations which repudiate Jesus saying that worship is in the SPIRIT as a PLACE in contrast to the PLACE of Jerusalem. That worship is uniquely Giving Heed to the Word which is the only way we non-sorcerers can give our attention (worship) to the WORD which is the Power to Salvation and the prescribed (prophets and apostles) the only BUILDING or EDUCATING resource for the assembly. By direct Command and approved examples that began ONCE A WEEK as a REST day noted as SKHOLE day for education.

Jacob cursed Levi and commanded that people NOT attend their "synagogues" nor enter into covenant with them (Genesis 49). The godly classes were quarantined from the Temple-State system which was not a COMMAND but a DEATH SENTENCE.

The pagans were especially fond of creating spectacles of worship where they used magic to create LYING WONDERS to soften up the heads and pick their pockets. Some of the best engineering by Hero and others went into producing machines for doing hard work which defines a "musical instruments" including a simple organ run on water power.

For those who violate the Logos or Regulative Principle God sends strong delusions which causes the "priesthood" to produce lying wonders. These included speakers, singers, players, actors, jugglers, mimics and others. If one can get a tiny grasp of GOD one will be shamed and disgusted by anyone pretending to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. This displays the MARK of trying to ascend or have Christ descend when THE WORD WE PREACH is near you. Lying Wonders are best understood by being PAUL or Simple Simon Literate about humanoids serving up magical mushrooms, poppy incense or great KoolAid.

When God is in His Holy Temple let all the earth keep silence before Him. A lamb of the Little Flock (mikros) will accept the old Madison's Elder's invitation "that if you do not agree then just leave." See David Rhoades lecture on home page.



<font face="arial" size="4">Philo of Alexandria had already emphasized the ethical qualities of music, spurning the 'effeminate' art of his Gentile surroundings. Similarly, early synagogue song intentionally foregoes artistic perfection, renounces the playing of instruments, and attaches itself entirely to 'the word'the TEXT of the Bible" (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")

IS YOUR EVENING CONGREGATION DISGUISED AS EMPTY PEWS? Especially after the feminine-effeminate focus on "worship rituals" to silence the PATRIARCHAL GOD.

National Coalition of Men's Ministries head, Daniel Erickson, in most churches, "a man can't be a man," said Daniel Erickson.

"Eighty percent of pastors are "more in tune to their feminine side" and are artistic, creative, and musical, Erickson said, citing a study done by The Navigators.

"But "the problem is that 80% of men are not, so 20% of pastors who are more in tune to their male side are trying to help 80% of men."

"The current preoccupation with the role of women in the church obscures the more serious problem of the perennial absence of men. A Provocative new book argues that Western churches have become "women's clubs," that the emasculation of Christianity is dangerous for the church and society.






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December 22nd, 2015, 8:35 pm #20


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