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May 9th, 2014, 10:08 pm #81

The most powerful weapon of those Paul in Ephesians 4 said LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE is to mock the Regulative Principle or the CENI principle. They think that it is the biggest joke in history to say that Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Savior does not get the right to COMMAND other than by legalism: "Thou SHALT" or "Thou SHALT NOT." Unfortunately they do not grasp that when God ASSERTS "thou shalt" He is not under obligation to the theologians to say "thou shalt NOT.

It makes the spirit freeze in place to hear people say that "it doesn't matter." That's true: if it doesn't matter to them then it doesn't matter once you have slipped into the pit.

The last great command of Jesus before He died to get the right to be the only mediator-intercessor excluding songs and sermons and childish and effeminate body worship was:

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May 9th, 2014, 10:12 pm #82

Ken, since you can't back up your fallacies and your book of Enoch with Scripture....it means just that.....what you teach is a fallacy...and that you have a vivid imagination.

Nothing more.
Isn't that what Ken is trying to "teach"--that the only way to appreciate and understand the Word of God is if we have a vivid imagination aided by all sorts of mythology and fables?
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May 9th, 2014, 11:03 pm #83

Yes.

By the third century, opposition to instrumental music had increased significantly as a movement. This corresponded to the rise in asceticism, which sought to offset sexual debauchery. The leaders in that century wanted to create a holiness, that distinguished the church from the world.

Historically speaking, the continued debauchery of the culture threatened the church, and this could only be understood by looking at the wider pagan culture, and was something learned quite apart from the scriptures.

The scriptures were teaching holiness, of course, but the movement against instrumental music was necessary to augment the teaching of the scriptures.

Instrumental music had become the handmaiden of sexuality and license.



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May 9th, 2014, 11:20 pm #84

Is it suitable today for ministers to make a habit of preaching about pagan mythology in all of their sermons? Would members of congregations learn more about the Gospel and salvation if ministers talked at great length about the god Pan, for example?
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May 10th, 2014, 3:51 am #85

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, did you even read the post to which you responded? You didn't even comment about it.

We've already done our searches and come up with the number of references in the entire Bible to idol, idols, idolatry, fables, tales, graven images, gods, goddess, etc. -- over 650 references!!!

The key point is "idolatry," which includes musical idolatry, which includes musical instruments used by humankind to "worship" God, which is often associated with dancing, etc. (Actually, you've missed the gist of why we've been discussing pagan activities from a historical perspective and as evidences of what the Bible has already revealed.)

Your comparison between: (1) pagan mythology [as in "literature" and apart from a biblical standpoint] and (2) salvation simply does not compute.[/color]
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May 10th, 2014, 5:15 am #86

Donnie, I'm not surprised that you didn't understand.
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May 10th, 2014, 5:25 am #87

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, did you even read the post to which you responded? You didn't even comment about it.

We've already done our searches and come up with the number of references in the entire Bible to idol, idols, idolatry, fables, tales, graven images, gods, goddess, etc. -- over 650 references!!!

The key point is "idolatry," which includes musical idolatry, which includes musical instruments used by humankind to "worship" God, which is often associated with dancing, etc. (Actually, you've missed the gist of why we've been discussing pagan activities from a historical perspective and as evidences of what the Bible has already revealed.)

Your comparison between: (1) pagan mythology [as in "literature" and apart from a biblical standpoint] and (2) salvation simply does not compute.[/color]
The ministers I know do not make it a habit of mixing pagan mythology with the Gospel in their sermons. Moreover, I would be surprised that any minister would heap pagan mythology on his congregation week after week. But since this site is not a church and the powers that be are not ministers as such, I'm not surprised to see the swing toward the pagan mythology that's so frequently dished out here. You could say, "Only at CM!"
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May 10th, 2014, 5:21 pm #88

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, did you even read the post to which you responded? You didn't even comment about it.

We've already done our searches and come up with the number of references in the entire Bible to idol, idols, idolatry, fables, tales, graven images, gods, goddess, etc. -- over 650 references!!!

The key point is "idolatry," which includes musical idolatry, which includes musical instruments used by humankind to "worship" God, which is often associated with dancing, etc. (Actually, you've missed the gist of why we've been discussing pagan activities from a historical perspective and as evidences of what the Bible has already revealed.)

Your comparison between: (1) pagan mythology [as in "literature" and apart from a biblical standpoint] and (2) salvation simply does not compute.[/color]
Myth simply means a story you make up: all sermons in the progressive churches which never open the text and teach that which is written. A myth is a poem Fanny Crosby, Twila Paris or singing fella creature wrote. If it has ANY repeating context that is called a LADED BURDEN and the intent is to disconnect you from reality: I am watching NatGeo "The Ultimate Viper" which as SERPO in the garden of Eden includes a "winding song."

A Myth is the opposite of LOGOS or written history of the past. In civil pre post literate societies poets or philosophers (doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge sayd Jesus) were FORBIDDEN to never ever put what Christ calls the Lying Pen of the Scribes to writing a real message sent by a Presbyter-Kerusso or herald from one party to another or to ever publish anything they call true history

Therefore young men who are not olders or APT to teach violate the direct command to be the pastor-teachers limited only to that which has been taught or "that which has been written" are forced to hire MYTHLOGIAS or MYTH SPEAKERS who speak beyond the text.

Since the direct command is to use "that which is written for our learning" even if you use simple singing, The BLUE book or the GOLD book is almost 100% MYTHS.

Even when giving to the destitute, Paul said "this is not a command": when the preacher or elder gets up in the morning and says that the fleecees are commanded to "lay by in store" at their feet, that is called a MYTH. Songs or Myths were 2 or three removes from the facts we call that a LIE.

The recorded history as direct command and approved example and historic understanding is that the people ASSSEMBLE once a week to read and mutually CONFESS by being a School of the Word. That began in the wilderness and never changed. If you are infected with STAFF then you are obligated to keep them busy all week: that is why it is a MYTH to bring people back on their REST DAY or mid week or several other days to make certain you spend your time and money wisely. That is a MYTH because it is not LOGOS or Recorded History.

To repeat: almost every "act" and "ministry" and "staff" you use to PERFORM church for people in the morning will be based on MYTHS.

The Bible is FILLED with myths: the task of the Breathed-On Prophets was to DEBUNK the myths of the Civil-Military-Clergy complex. If Jesus said that "all that came before me were thieves and robbers" and called the Scribes and Pharisee, hypocrites we need to be wise enough to grasp that a Hypocrite or MYTHOLOGIA is a self-speaker for hire, singer or instrument player. (Ezekiel 33)

This is such a mortally dangerous fact that anything beyond reading the text in a systematic way and discussing it is a MYTH including a lie so that teachers are especially warned.

Another myth of the American Guild of organists is that they are INSPIRED. That's why they cannot connect their brains to recorded history nor do they need to.

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May 10th, 2014, 5:32 pm #89

The ministers I know do not make it a habit of mixing pagan mythology with the Gospel in their sermons. Moreover, I would be surprised that any minister would heap pagan mythology on his congregation week after week. But since this site is not a church and the powers that be are not ministers as such, I'm not surprised to see the swing toward the pagan mythology that's so frequently dished out here. You could say, "Only at CM!"
Most sermons ARE myths and they probably MIX it by reading verse 3d from the LOGOS.

The LOGOS outlaws
Personal experiences, jokes, illustrations,singing, playing, acting, dancing (gyrating) or LECTURING their feeders about morality.

If they do not SPEAK that which is written says Christ in Isaiah 8 THEIR IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.

In Isaiah 58 the Spirit OF Christ outlawed seeking your own pleasure or SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS. This is His way to show us how to RESTORE THE OLD PATHS.

You won't be able to comprehend:




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May 10th, 2014, 8:24 pm #90

Myth simply means a story you make up: all sermons in the progressive churches which never open the text and teach that which is written. A myth is a poem Fanny Crosby, Twila Paris or singing fella creature wrote. If it has ANY repeating context that is called a LADED BURDEN and the intent is to disconnect you from reality: I am watching NatGeo "The Ultimate Viper" which as SERPO in the garden of Eden includes a "winding song."

A Myth is the opposite of LOGOS or written history of the past. In civil pre post literate societies poets or philosophers (doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge sayd Jesus) were FORBIDDEN to never ever put what Christ calls the Lying Pen of the Scribes to writing a real message sent by a Presbyter-Kerusso or herald from one party to another or to ever publish anything they call true history

Therefore young men who are not olders or APT to teach violate the direct command to be the pastor-teachers limited only to that which has been taught or "that which has been written" are forced to hire MYTHLOGIAS or MYTH SPEAKERS who speak beyond the text.

Since the direct command is to use "that which is written for our learning" even if you use simple singing, The BLUE book or the GOLD book is almost 100% MYTHS.

Even when giving to the destitute, Paul said "this is not a command": when the preacher or elder gets up in the morning and says that the fleecees are commanded to "lay by in store" at their feet, that is called a MYTH. Songs or Myths were 2 or three removes from the facts we call that a LIE.

The recorded history as direct command and approved example and historic understanding is that the people ASSSEMBLE once a week to read and mutually CONFESS by being a School of the Word. That began in the wilderness and never changed. If you are infected with STAFF then you are obligated to keep them busy all week: that is why it is a MYTH to bring people back on their REST DAY or mid week or several other days to make certain you spend your time and money wisely. That is a MYTH because it is not LOGOS or Recorded History.

To repeat: almost every "act" and "ministry" and "staff" you use to PERFORM church for people in the morning will be based on MYTHS.

The Bible is FILLED with myths: the task of the Breathed-On Prophets was to DEBUNK the myths of the Civil-Military-Clergy complex. If Jesus said that "all that came before me were thieves and robbers" and called the Scribes and Pharisee, hypocrites we need to be wise enough to grasp that a Hypocrite or MYTHOLOGIA is a self-speaker for hire, singer or instrument player. (Ezekiel 33)

This is such a mortally dangerous fact that anything beyond reading the text in a systematic way and discussing it is a MYTH including a lie so that teachers are especially warned.

Another myth of the American Guild of organists is that they are INSPIRED. That's why they cannot connect their brains to recorded history nor do they need to.

1 Timothy 4

New International Version (NIV)

6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters,[a] you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.


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You are a stubborn old man. Have a good day.
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