BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US (by John Waddey)

BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US (by John Waddey)

Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

February 22nd, 2011, 5:34 am #1


BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Goodbyes are often sad occasions, especially if the partings are permanent. It is especially painful if we are saying goodbye to family members, close friends and comrades. If a goodbye is extended to friends and loved ones in Christ with whom we share strong bonds of love and fellowship, the sadness is mitigated. As the old hymn reminds us, "If we never meet again this side of heaven, we will meet on the beautiful shore." In the Father's great house, we together will spend the endless days of eternity.

But there is a parting involving Christians that is indeed painful. When one party has turned their back on Christ, his Church and his revealed Will; when they have embraced a false faith or worship, there comes a point at which the faithful disciple will find it necessary to say goodbye.

The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church are forcing just this kind of separation. When fellow-disciples corrupt the faith and worship of God, they go onward and abide not in the teaching of Christ (II John 9-11). When that occurs; when admonitions are spurned; we must bid them farewell! The sadness is multiplied when those departing are close friends and family members.

When Christian schools choose the change agenda our ways must part. Even though we may have enjoyed strong ties in the past, we must bid them farewell lest we be partakers in their sinful rebellion to Christ (II John 11; Eph. 5:7). The same is true of other Christian projects, be they benevolent efforts, evangelistic projects, publishing efforts or journals.

When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word, they leave us no choice but to bid them goodbye. Hearts may be heavy, tears may fall, relationships may be broken, all because of man's sinful rebellion against the Lord, the head of the church. We bid them goodbye with a prayer that the eyes of their hearts may be enlightened, that their hard hearts may be broken and that they will soon come to repentance, before they are called to stand before the Judge of all.

Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change expect us to show them acceptance and warm fellowship, as if nothing has changed by their so doing. But in accepting the change agenda, they are showing disdain and lack of respect for our Christ, his church and His Word. So drastic are their changes that we cannot be true both to them and Christ. Since we no longer agree on the most important matters of life and eternity, how can we continue to walk with them (Amos 3:3). As they travel down the wide road that leads to destruction, our prayers go up on their behalf, that God will spare them till they, like the Prodigal Son, can come to their senses.[/color]

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John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: [url=mailto:john.waddey@yahoo.com]john.waddey@yahoo.com[/url]
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Rocnar
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February 25th, 2011, 2:54 am #2

I find Mr. Waddey's post to be quite disturbing. He advocates a serious action but is vague about the cause.

Are we talking about hand clapping, praise teams, music, Baptist in laws, kitchens under same roof as Church building, one cuppers, contemporary services, etc?

I'm not making fun, just trying to understand.

What would justify such a reaction?

Anyone?
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February 27th, 2011, 7:25 am #3

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Rocnar,

According to science, "nothing happens without a cause."

I believe that the cause is obvious, if one carefully reads brother Waddey's article.

When instrumental music is incorporated into the assembly of New Testament saints, it is in opposition to the beliefs and practices of the first century church.

When baptism is taught only as a ritual, rather than as a requirement SO THAT one outside of Christ will be forgiven of his sins to become God's child, then, that teaching is contrary to New Testament specifications.

There are other examples. But they all point to changes to doctrine, beliefs and teachings of Christ and His apostles relative to the church, the body of Christ.

Let's review the emphases in these paragraphs:[/color]
  • "The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church...."
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  • "When Christian schools choose the change agenda...."
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  • "When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word...."
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  • "Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change...."
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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Those changes agents operating in the brotherhood!!! Those "change we can [NOT] believe in."[/color]
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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

February 27th, 2011, 10:04 pm #4

Grace Centered will not let this be posted but my job is to WITNESS because all of the evidence proves that most minds cannot be changed as the FULFILL the patternism John prophesied about the end times in GREAT DETAILS.

http://www.piney.com/Exodus.32.html

Notice that SABBATH means REST from religious rituals and work outlaws even sending out ministers of God.

Exod 31:12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL,
....saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
....for it is a sign between me and you
....throughout your generations; [your revolution of time]
....that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.


That doesn't sound like A DAY OF WORSHIP to me! The word KEEP is:

Exod 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
....every one that DEFILETH it shall surely be put to death:
....for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Defile is h2490 Play the flute, steal people's inheritance, pollute or prostitute.

8104. shamar, shaw-mar´; a primitive root; properly, to hedge about (as with thorns), i.e. guard; .

Keep in Latin: Custodio II. With the access. idea of hindering free motion, A. In gen., to hold something back, to preserve, keep: To prevent PLAY or Ludo cautiously, carefully: ut parce custoditeque ludebat! Plin. Ep. 5, 16, 3.

Plin. Ep. 5, 16, 3. how eagerly , how intellegenter lectitabat! when moderately custoditeque ludebat!

Ludo A. To sport, play with any thing, to practise as a pastime, amuse one's self with any thing, B. To sport, dally, wanton Esp.,to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,to imitate work, make believe work,

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:)

No big loss: just cool it: the parable of the LOCUSTS (Muses as dirty adulteresses) is that they DRIVE OUT the godly people without hurting them but they LULL the rest to sleep and then give them the STING OF DEATH. All recorded history would say that the singy, clappy, dancy guys and dolls are being PUNISHED and held captive with no way to escape if they have FALLEN into the instrument parable. Modern medicine agrees that music and motion is better than drugs to jack up the people into a HIGH ENERGY PITCH (boasts Chris Seidman) but when they come down from the HIGH they have to face the world having had their spirituality slowly bled away.

Parables to fool the professional foolers and all they can grab. We are not to mourn for the blind who CAN be led into the pit (hell) because God can make new people out of stones.
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Racnor
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September 14th, 2012, 3:32 pm #5

BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Goodbyes are often sad occasions, especially if the partings are permanent. It is especially painful if we are saying goodbye to family members, close friends and comrades. If a goodbye is extended to friends and loved ones in Christ with whom we share strong bonds of love and fellowship, the sadness is mitigated. As the old hymn reminds us, "If we never meet again this side of heaven, we will meet on the beautiful shore." In the Father's great house, we together will spend the endless days of eternity.

But there is a parting involving Christians that is indeed painful. When one party has turned their back on Christ, his Church and his revealed Will; when they have embraced a false faith or worship, there comes a point at which the faithful disciple will find it necessary to say goodbye.

The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church are forcing just this kind of separation. When fellow-disciples corrupt the faith and worship of God, they go onward and abide not in the teaching of Christ (II John 9-11). When that occurs; when admonitions are spurned; we must bid them farewell! The sadness is multiplied when those departing are close friends and family members.

When Christian schools choose the change agenda our ways must part. Even though we may have enjoyed strong ties in the past, we must bid them farewell lest we be partakers in their sinful rebellion to Christ (II John 11; Eph. 5:7). The same is true of other Christian projects, be they benevolent efforts, evangelistic projects, publishing efforts or journals.

When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word, they leave us no choice but to bid them goodbye. Hearts may be heavy, tears may fall, relationships may be broken, all because of man's sinful rebellion against the Lord, the head of the church. We bid them goodbye with a prayer that the eyes of their hearts may be enlightened, that their hard hearts may be broken and that they will soon come to repentance, before they are called to stand before the Judge of all.

Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change expect us to show them acceptance and warm fellowship, as if nothing has changed by their so doing. But in accepting the change agenda, they are showing disdain and lack of respect for our Christ, his church and His Word. So drastic are their changes that we cannot be true both to them and Christ. Since we no longer agree on the most important matters of life and eternity, how can we continue to walk with them (Amos 3:3). As they travel down the wide road that leads to destruction, our prayers go up on their behalf, that God will spare them till they, like the Prodigal Son, can come to their senses.[/color]

___________________________________
John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: [url=mailto:john.waddey@yahoo.com]john.waddey@yahoo.com[/url]
I would like to see more discussion on this article.
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September 15th, 2012, 12:00 am #6

BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Goodbyes are often sad occasions, especially if the partings are permanent. It is especially painful if we are saying goodbye to family members, close friends and comrades. If a goodbye is extended to friends and loved ones in Christ with whom we share strong bonds of love and fellowship, the sadness is mitigated. As the old hymn reminds us, "If we never meet again this side of heaven, we will meet on the beautiful shore." In the Father's great house, we together will spend the endless days of eternity.

But there is a parting involving Christians that is indeed painful. When one party has turned their back on Christ, his Church and his revealed Will; when they have embraced a false faith or worship, there comes a point at which the faithful disciple will find it necessary to say goodbye.

The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church are forcing just this kind of separation. When fellow-disciples corrupt the faith and worship of God, they go onward and abide not in the teaching of Christ (II John 9-11). When that occurs; when admonitions are spurned; we must bid them farewell! The sadness is multiplied when those departing are close friends and family members.

When Christian schools choose the change agenda our ways must part. Even though we may have enjoyed strong ties in the past, we must bid them farewell lest we be partakers in their sinful rebellion to Christ (II John 11; Eph. 5:7). The same is true of other Christian projects, be they benevolent efforts, evangelistic projects, publishing efforts or journals.

When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word, they leave us no choice but to bid them goodbye. Hearts may be heavy, tears may fall, relationships may be broken, all because of man's sinful rebellion against the Lord, the head of the church. We bid them goodbye with a prayer that the eyes of their hearts may be enlightened, that their hard hearts may be broken and that they will soon come to repentance, before they are called to stand before the Judge of all.

Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change expect us to show them acceptance and warm fellowship, as if nothing has changed by their so doing. But in accepting the change agenda, they are showing disdain and lack of respect for our Christ, his church and His Word. So drastic are their changes that we cannot be true both to them and Christ. Since we no longer agree on the most important matters of life and eternity, how can we continue to walk with them (Amos 3:3). As they travel down the wide road that leads to destruction, our prayers go up on their behalf, that God will spare them till they, like the Prodigal Son, can come to their senses.[/color]

___________________________________
John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: [url=mailto:john.waddey@yahoo.com]john.waddey@yahoo.com[/url]
The worship of the golden calf involved musical idolatry: there is lots of literature defining the worship of Apis the real bull calf. Many imbalmed Apist have been found. This called rising up AGAINST god in Play: play means to sing, dance, play instruments and play with one another.

For that affront God removed the Covenant of Grace and imposed the Law of Moses because of this transgression. Perhaps it is not that musical idolatry is the sin which sentenced Israel to captivity and abandonment and "worship of the starry host." Maybe it is that they turn to musical idolatry BECAUSE there is no light in them.

Hebrews 6 indicates that people CAN fully understand the meaning of the CROSS and fully endorse it or maybe send their kids to college on that preaching. However, most of the changelings have been attacked from without and the use of flattery easily seduced them into a sin WITHOUT REDEMPTION.

The CROSS and WASHING had the purpose of REMOVING any propensity for trying to act up and think they could seduce a Spirit God. A baptized believer is a STUDENT and has no driving purpose than to be a Disciple commanded to teach and observe what Christ taught in the prophets and Jesus made more certain. THAT is the only way to MARK false teachers says Peter in 2 Peter 2.

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

IT IS CERTAIN THAT THE FRUITY PEOPLE AS RHETORICIANS, SINGERS AND INSTRUMENT PLAYERS ARE SORCERERS AND IN NO SUCH EXAMPLE IS THERE ANY REDEMPTION. When they stir up that Spiritual anxiety and passion so strong that you become a BlogSimp spreading hate you know that you are recrucifying Christ.




We KNOW there there will be no repentance: however, it is our duty to witness to the world.
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September 15th, 2012, 12:11 am #7

I would like to see more discussion on this article.
Go ahead and discuss.
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Racnor
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September 17th, 2012, 3:07 pm #8

"B", do you think John Waddey advocates a literal separation of a spouse, children, or close friends over such issues as IM in the worship service? What are your thoughts?
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September 17th, 2012, 4:01 pm #9

Rick Atchley mobilized the Stepford Wives to gang up on wives of those men who were opposing his viperizing. One well-known writer's wife divorced him. Others were told that they would have to choose between their families and instrumental music.

ALL of the imposers of instruments have CALCULATED that they can drive away up to half of the OWNERS and still recover by sucking in the silly seekers by the "ambivalent" gender persona CONFESSED by all singers who want to be popular.

So, your question cannot neuterize John's teaching whatever HE may or may not do. Why do YOU need to defend that persona?
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September 17th, 2012, 4:55 pm #10

"B", do you think John Waddey advocates a literal separation of a spouse, children, or close friends over such issues as IM in the worship service? What are your thoughts?
Since Racnor wanted to see more discussion, then by all means, he should offer his views first.
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