Racnor
Racnor

September 17th, 2012, 8:00 pm #11

"B", we are getting a real toad strangler today. I'm kinda feeling a little blue too. I think I'll que up some MTB. Blue Ridge Mountain Sky always makes me feel better. Have a good day
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Racnor
Racnor

September 18th, 2012, 1:31 am #12

Since Racnor wanted to see more discussion, then by all means, he should offer his views first.
See y'all around Christmas. Ken, I hope you have a good Halloween.
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September 18th, 2012, 1:54 am #13

Are you going off to make the world safe for Islam?

I told people I joined the Navy to make the world safe for communism: and I darned near succeeded.
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Timothy Hall
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September 19th, 2012, 8:15 pm #14

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Rocnar,

According to science, "nothing happens without a cause."

I believe that the cause is obvious, if one carefully reads brother Waddey's article.

When instrumental music is incorporated into the assembly of New Testament saints, it is in opposition to the beliefs and practices of the first century church.

When baptism is taught only as a ritual, rather than as a requirement SO THAT one outside of Christ will be forgiven of his sins to become God's child, then, that teaching is contrary to New Testament specifications.

There are other examples. But they all point to changes to doctrine, beliefs and teachings of Christ and His apostles relative to the church, the body of Christ.

Let's review the emphases in these paragraphs:[/color]
  • "The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church...."
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  • "When Christian schools choose the change agenda...."
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  • "When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word...."
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  • "Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change...."
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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Those changes agents operating in the brotherhood!!! Those "change we can [NOT] believe in."[/color]
I've been reading some of this content. I grew up in the Churches of Christ. My father has preached in the Churches of Christ for 57 years.

I've heard him say it so many times. If we'd spend as much time leading people to Jesus as we do arguing...think how much good could be done.

So..how about you guys all investing your time and energies into something good..and not out there worrying about what every local congregation is doing. Get out of their business. If someone does something wrong, leave it up to God. Let Him handle it.

go find someone who needs Jesus and share Him with them.

thanks,

Tim
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September 19th, 2012, 8:31 pm #15

BIDDING GOODBYE TO THOSE WHO WERE ONCE CLOSE TO US

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Goodbyes are often sad occasions, especially if the partings are permanent. It is especially painful if we are saying goodbye to family members, close friends and comrades. If a goodbye is extended to friends and loved ones in Christ with whom we share strong bonds of love and fellowship, the sadness is mitigated. As the old hymn reminds us, "If we never meet again this side of heaven, we will meet on the beautiful shore." In the Father's great house, we together will spend the endless days of eternity.

But there is a parting involving Christians that is indeed painful. When one party has turned their back on Christ, his Church and his revealed Will; when they have embraced a false faith or worship, there comes a point at which the faithful disciple will find it necessary to say goodbye.

The proponents of the change agenda now wracking the Lord's precious church are forcing just this kind of separation. When fellow-disciples corrupt the faith and worship of God, they go onward and abide not in the teaching of Christ (II John 9-11). When that occurs; when admonitions are spurned; we must bid them farewell! The sadness is multiplied when those departing are close friends and family members.

When Christian schools choose the change agenda our ways must part. Even though we may have enjoyed strong ties in the past, we must bid them farewell lest we be partakers in their sinful rebellion to Christ (II John 11; Eph. 5:7). The same is true of other Christian projects, be they benevolent efforts, evangelistic projects, publishing efforts or journals.

When congregations where we once worshiped in blessed fellowship, turn away from God's word, they leave us no choice but to bid them goodbye. Hearts may be heavy, tears may fall, relationships may be broken, all because of man's sinful rebellion against the Lord, the head of the church. We bid them goodbye with a prayer that the eyes of their hearts may be enlightened, that their hard hearts may be broken and that they will soon come to repentance, before they are called to stand before the Judge of all.

Many of those who embrace the golden calf of change expect us to show them acceptance and warm fellowship, as if nothing has changed by their so doing. But in accepting the change agenda, they are showing disdain and lack of respect for our Christ, his church and His Word. So drastic are their changes that we cannot be true both to them and Christ. Since we no longer agree on the most important matters of life and eternity, how can we continue to walk with them (Amos 3:3). As they travel down the wide road that leads to destruction, our prayers go up on their behalf, that God will spare them till they, like the Prodigal Son, can come to their senses.[/color]

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John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: [url=mailto:john.waddey@yahoo.com]john.waddey@yahoo.com[/url]
I grew up in the Churches of Christ. My father has preached for 57 years in the Churches of Christ. I grew up listening to him say, "we sure spend alot of time arguing. Imagine how the Church would grow if we'd put that time and energy into Church growth!"

Well...maybe my 78 year old father is right! If you guys (everyone) would spend the time you use writing on this site, maintaining this site, criticizing other....and put that time into telling others about Jesus.. What would be the result?? Changed Lives!

As for what other congregations are doing, leave it up God to determine how they should be handled. Whether they are progressive or conservative (there are troublemakers in BOTH) just let God handle it and let's get busy teaching people about Jesus.

thanks folks!

Tim
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September 19th, 2012, 10:58 pm #16

And what are we to do when they lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows and break up families? If no one REPROVES (a direct command) those who deliberately sow discord because "a spirit" told them to so "we gonna save more souls" would that help or hinder your understanding of Scripture? Music in fact derives from "mysteries" meaning to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Why not tell the ones who LIE AND STEAL about "legalistic conservatives" and ANTI-instrumentalists to JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE instead of "infiltrating and diverting" their property an sowing massive discord? With all respect to your father and you, you have never been allowed to read the SPIRITUAL message to the future church in the Prophets by the Spirit OF Christ and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus and left as eye-- and ear--witness MEMORIES by the Apostles.

Ezekiel 33:2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people,
and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land,
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if the people of the land take a man of their coasts,
.....and set him for their watchman:
Ezekiel 33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Ezekiel 33:4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning;
.....if the sword come, and take him away,
.....his blood shall be upon his own head.
Ezekiel 33:5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning;
.....his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come,
.....and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned;
.....if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity;
.....but his blood will I require at the watchmans hand.
Ezekiel 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel;
.....therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

The SPECIFIC thing Christ (the Rock) warned everyone against is:

Ezekiel 33:27 Say thou thus unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely they that are in the wastes shall fall by the sword, and him that is in the open field will I give to the beasts to be devoured, and they that be in the forts and in the caves shall die of the pestilence.

The Beastie in Latin and the Beast in Revelation is "a new style of singing and drama."

Ezekiel 33:28 For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease; and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate, that none shall pass through.
Ezekiel 33:29 Then shall they know that I am the LORD, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.

Ezekiel 33:30 Also, thou son of man,
.....the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
.....and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,
.....Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
.....and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words,
.........but they will not do them:
.....for with their mouth they shew much love,
........but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Ezekiel 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them
.....as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice,
.....and can play well on an instrument:
.........for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
Ezekiel 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,)
.....then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.
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September 19th, 2012, 11:01 pm #17

I grew up in the Churches of Christ. My father has preached for 57 years in the Churches of Christ. I grew up listening to him say, "we sure spend alot of time arguing. Imagine how the Church would grow if we'd put that time and energy into Church growth!"

Well...maybe my 78 year old father is right! If you guys (everyone) would spend the time you use writing on this site, maintaining this site, criticizing other....and put that time into telling others about Jesus.. What would be the result?? Changed Lives!

As for what other congregations are doing, leave it up God to determine how they should be handled. Whether they are progressive or conservative (there are troublemakers in BOTH) just let God handle it and let's get busy teaching people about Jesus.

thanks folks!

Tim
At 82 I would probably be in a nursing home.

Why is teaching the TEXT without additions and free of charge any less valuable than preaching?

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September 19th, 2012, 11:04 pm #18

I've been reading some of this content. I grew up in the Churches of Christ. My father has preached in the Churches of Christ for 57 years.

I've heard him say it so many times. If we'd spend as much time leading people to Jesus as we do arguing...think how much good could be done.

So..how about you guys all investing your time and energies into something good..and not out there worrying about what every local congregation is doing. Get out of their business. If someone does something wrong, leave it up to God. Let Him handle it.

go find someone who needs Jesus and share Him with them.

thanks,

Tim
Glad you dropped in Tim: that is what we are doing. Hang in there and read stuff no preacher ever knew about the Bible. Hope we fill your need
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September 20th, 2012, 12:21 am #19

I grew up in the Churches of Christ. My father has preached for 57 years in the Churches of Christ. I grew up listening to him say, "we sure spend alot of time arguing. Imagine how the Church would grow if we'd put that time and energy into Church growth!"

Well...maybe my 78 year old father is right! If you guys (everyone) would spend the time you use writing on this site, maintaining this site, criticizing other....and put that time into telling others about Jesus.. What would be the result?? Changed Lives!

As for what other congregations are doing, leave it up God to determine how they should be handled. Whether they are progressive or conservative (there are troublemakers in BOTH) just let God handle it and let's get busy teaching people about Jesus.

thanks folks!

Tim
In other words, Tim is saying that if you know of people and churches who are advocating unscriptural doctrines, say and do nothing; it's none of anyone else's business. Sounds like Tim is also implying we should ignore Romans 16:17.
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September 20th, 2012, 12:31 am #20

I can't judge Tim but this sounds like the usual "I can do ANYTHING but you can evaluate NOTHING."

The "love" weapon is also widely used.

I think he owes it to say which side of the keyboard he defends.
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