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January 20th, 2014, 6:11 pm #11

Dr. Grump says there is no recorded evidence and then he boasts that he doesn't read my posts, so we let Dr. Grump PASS whatever it is he passes.

With that Attitude, LU would give him a PhDuh in The-O-Lite
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January 20th, 2014, 10:00 pm #12

1 John 3
2 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Ken, do you NOTICE that after it says "....Can, who was of that wicked one..." it also says "....BECAUSE his OWN WORKS WERE EVIL..."

Ken, you are still discarding what you don't like or what doesn't fit your ideology and schemes. It means that, just like you have chosen evil when tested by Satan, Cain did the same. Cain CHOSE to do evil, but Able was righteous. OF that wicked one....means he chose to do follow Satan and do evil instead of good.

Reading means nothing if you chose not to use spiritual wisdom. Selective reasoning doesn't cut it....never has....never will.

Then, Ken, on top of all of that, you would stake your soul on abusing 1 Corinthians 3:11
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Beguiled doesn't mean to sexually seduce.

Beguiled
1. to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude.
2. to take away from by cheating or deceiving (usually followed by of ): to be beguiled of money.
3. to charm or divert: a multitude of attractions to beguile the tourist.
4. to pass (time) pleasantly: beguiling the long afternoon with a good book

An opposing opinion...."Now We see in the definition below of "beguile" from the same English dictionary used above, what it's meaning is. We see here that this definition has the same meaning as does the Hebrew word nasha' (Strong's #05377) used in Genesis 3:13 and translated as "beguiled". They both mean deceived. The reference to seduction shown in Strong's is clearly referring to the deception used in seducing one and not to the act of sex itself
be-guile (be-gil'), v. t. To work upon by guile; delude; cheat; disappoint or foil; deprive artfully (of) ; draw (into, out of etc.) as by wiles; charm or divert; while away (time) pleasantly. - be-guile'ment, n. The act of beguiling; the state of being beguiled; a beguiling agency or influence.-- be-guil'er (- gi'ler), n. -- be-guil'ing-ly, adv.
Therefore we can say with certainty that EVE did NOT have sex with Satan which led to the birth of Cain. Eve herself said that she believed that Cain was the man child promised by God in Genesis 4:1"

Ken, you ever heard of the saying "If I could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you are worth?"

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January 21st, 2014, 2:11 am #13

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1 John 3:2 Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


Sorry, David, but you do not have access to the body of literature showing how a word is USED: there are no disctionaries defining a word out of it's context. Cain's WORKS were EVIL because he was OF that wicked one.

John 8:44 Ye are OF your father the devil,
.....and the lusts of your father ye will do.
.....He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
.....because there is no truth in him.
.....When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
.....for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the MULTITUDES in parables;
.....and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
.....saying, I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the MULTITUDE away, and went into the house:
.....and his disciples came unto him,
.....saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them,
.....He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

NOTICE that ex-churches of Christ have fallen into the trap of SEEKING the MULTITUDES. They boast about how their massive work and money has made them BIG. One preacher said that you cannot be saved unless you come to his kind of church as OPPOSITE of those who do not BOW to instrumental "music" and CLAPPING. Scripture and traditional history knows of NO exception to the fact that it was DEMONS (Lucifer, Zoe) who taught men how to seduce with music. The lone EXCEPTION they allow is JUBAL who was the SON OF CAIN who was the SON OF THE SERPENT who handled all of the instruments meaning WITHOUT AUTHORITY.

Jesus sowed the WORD and people who "gladly received THE WORD were baptized" and their spirits now REgenerated are translated into the heavenly kingdom NOT present at religious observations other than PREACHING the Word (only) by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the WORLD;
.....the good SEED are the children of the kingdom;
.....but the TARES are the CHILDREN [huio] of the WICKED ONE

Tares are sown in the wheat BECAUSE it is a tare. Good seed did not BECOME a Tare.

There are TWO RACES on the Earth; the natural born earthlings and those not OF the World.

In Matthew 13 Jesus spoke to the VIPER RACE in parables to PREVENT them from hearing the invitation which can only be heard by the LITTLE FLOCK of lost spirits. Jesus said that they are NOT OF THE WORLD. The World or Kosmos is the planet of the KOSMOKRATOR. If all of the Bible calls them the sons of the SERPENT we wonder why people get so violent and call Scripture LIARS.

kosmos , metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumel k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).

Matthew 13:39 The enemy that SOWED them is the devil;
.....the harvest is the end of the world;
.....and the reapers are the angels.

SOWED: speir 2. engender, beget offspring (cf. 11.2), S.Aj.1293, Tr.33, E.Ion 49, etc.; hoi speirantes the parents, spermata

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the TARES [Sons of the Devil]
.....are gathered and burned in the fire; [baptized with fire]
.....so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matthew 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees
.....come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of VIPERS,
..........who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
.....Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
.....prepared for the devil and his angels: [located evangelists]


John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER. Then said they to him,
.....We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus said: you are liars:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
.....for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech?
.....even because ye CANNOT hear my word.

The Sons of the Devil CANNOT hear the Word. WHY? because they are OF the World. Jesus said that He and those who gladly received the WORD are by definition NOT OF the World.

Jesus said that He came from the FATHER. The Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites (speakers, singers, instrument players by definition DID NOT COME from the Father. God did not make SATANIC SPIRITS and send them into the world; He only creates that which is GOD. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himself from the Wise or Sophists meaning those who speak on their own (sons of the Devil), singers and instrument players MOCKING Jesus to keep Him silent and the lambs dumb.

The LOGOS is the regulative principle MOCKED by people on the attack trying to seduce people into taking the mark of Religious Services or operations when Jesus said that the Kingdom DOES NOT come to such "services" or hard bondage: that Abaddon, Apollyon word of the Jacob-cursed Levites
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January 21st, 2014, 2:38 am #14

1 John 3
2 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Ken, do you NOTICE that after it says "....Can, who was of that wicked one..." it also says "....BECAUSE his OWN WORKS WERE EVIL..."

Ken, you are still discarding what you don't like or what doesn't fit your ideology and schemes. It means that, just like you have chosen evil when tested by Satan, Cain did the same. Cain CHOSE to do evil, but Able was righteous. OF that wicked one....means he chose to do follow Satan and do evil instead of good.

Reading means nothing if you chose not to use spiritual wisdom. Selective reasoning doesn't cut it....never has....never will.

Then, Ken, on top of all of that, you would stake your soul on abusing 1 Corinthians 3:11
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Beguiled doesn't mean to sexually seduce.

Beguiled
1. to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude.
2. to take away from by cheating or deceiving (usually followed by of ): to be beguiled of money.
3. to charm or divert: a multitude of attractions to beguile the tourist.
4. to pass (time) pleasantly: beguiling the long afternoon with a good book

An opposing opinion...."Now We see in the definition below of "beguile" from the same English dictionary used above, what it's meaning is. We see here that this definition has the same meaning as does the Hebrew word nasha' (Strong's #05377) used in Genesis 3:13 and translated as "beguiled". They both mean deceived. The reference to seduction shown in Strong's is clearly referring to the deception used in seducing one and not to the act of sex itself
be-guile (be-gil'), v. t. To work upon by guile; delude; cheat; disappoint or foil; deprive artfully (of) ; draw (into, out of etc.) as by wiles; charm or divert; while away (time) pleasantly. - be-guile'ment, n. The act of beguiling; the state of being beguiled; a beguiling agency or influence.-- be-guil'er (- gi'ler), n. -- be-guil'ing-ly, adv.
Therefore we can say with certainty that EVE did NOT have sex with Satan which led to the birth of Cain. Eve herself said that she believed that Cain was the man child promised by God in Genesis 4:1"

Ken, you ever heard of the saying "If I could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you are worth?"

1 John 3:2 Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word./<b>
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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January 21st, 2014, 3:09 am #15

h 5377 Nasha



Nachash (h5172) naw-khash'; a prim. root; prop. to hiss, i. e. whisper a (magic) spell; gen. to prognosticate: - * certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) * enchantment, learn by experience, * indeed, diligently observe

Nachash "snake, serpent" with nshk "bite" provides a link between two verses in Amos speaking of the impossibility of escape Amos 5:19 and 9:3 - nachash often either carries overtones of the serpent in Eden (Gen 3) or of the mythology of Canaanite cultures (Is 27:1).
Nashak (h5391) naw-shak'; a prim. root; to strike with a sting (as a serpent); fig., to oppress with interest on a loan: - bite, lend upon usury.

Serpo , of things, to move slowly or imperceptibly, to creep along, proceed gradually,
Of disease, etc.: si ulcus latius atque altius serpit, gradually spreads, serpentes quasdam (bestias), quasdam esse gradientes, chamaeleon,
Fire: exsistit sacer ignis et urit corpore serpens, slowly spreading, canam, qui leniter
(cf.: sermones Repentes per humum,
A creeping LOUSE

The serpents, however, of the magicians-(that is,) the gods of destruction-withstood the power of Moses in Egypt, but the rod of Moses reduced them all to subjection and slew them.

This universal serpent is, he says, the wise discourse of Eve. [Eve, or ZOE, the Mediatrix, was honored because the serpent taught her feminine knowledge

This, he says, is the mystery of Edem, this the river of Edem; this the mark that was set upon Cain, that any one who findeth him might not kill him. This, he says, is Cain, [Gen. iv. 15] whose sacrifice [Gen. iv. 5. ] the god of this world did not accept.

Jeremiah 49:16 Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 49:17 Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof.
Jeremiah 49:18 As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD, no man shall abide there, neither shall a son of man dwell in it.


Jerusalem is defined as Sodom in Revelation
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January 21st, 2014, 3:45 am #16

Well Ken, you certainly have access to many bodies of literature showing......showing......great personal opinion.

1 John 3
2 Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Genesis 4
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
KJV, for you Ken. What does "Adam knew Eve his wife" mean? Pull out your many many bodies of literature work to make sense of it, but it still will always means that ADAM was the father of Cain....because ADAM had sexual relations with Eve, not Satan.

Satan was not the father of Cain.. Genesis 4:1 and 1 John 3 proves it. Cain slew Able, and why? BECAUSE of his own works. Let me restate that for your Ken......because.....his own works, which were evil. Oh, and Ken.....that STILL goes today. What were Cain's own works? They were evil. A man reaps what his sows. If he sows evil works, guess what he will reap? Ken, did even Adam pass on his own sins to Cain? No. And why? "Because his own works were evil..." Cain was OF that wicked one because of his OWN actions.
Ken, your sins are YOUR sins. You have to take responsibility for your own actions.

Ken, don't back up now. You have painted yourself into a corner and I can be useful to you as you lash out. I don't mind taking your hits. I have taken them for years from Donnie and Bill and yourself. I can be useful to you.

Keep on trying Ken. It helps make my point about concerned members.
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January 21st, 2014, 5:02 pm #17

I just quote the text because you are never going to hear beyond sermons reading verse 3-d as "my text for MY additions."

My once upon a time stray cat I took in gave birth to two persian looking ones, one solid black and one tabbyish. The same thing can happen in humans--so I am told.

ONE Mother: Two Fathers!

Since I just copy and paste I don't paint: you have to decide that the ONLY Bible or history on the subject means that Cain himself WAS a son of the Devil as stated (marked by speaking on his own and violating the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine) or that the Devil ENTERED him and REgenerated him. Take your pick: it makes little difference since I don't plan to fleece you in tithes and offerings.

Jesus said that the Jewish clergy which "had a covenant with death and hell" COULD NOT HEAR His message to the "babes" to HIDE from the WISE or SOPHISTS means speaking their own words, singing, playing instruments, acting or dancing--that gliding around on the podium. Do you believe that Jesus was violating ALL of the law by "showing partiality?"

I don't do dogma (includes musical performance or turning God's Word into a song) so I will just COPY AND PASTE and you can decide that it is FIGURATIVE when there is no hint of being figurative.

If I am right then people who will boast about UPSETTING you but moving slowly (Serpent creepethh) so you don't know that you have been INJECTED to NOT RESIST imposing musical performance which is the MARK of the BEAST in the garden because Christ called him-her-it a singing and harp-playing prositute" and in Revelation we learn from caring enough to read and define that:

The MARK is believing that an always gender-singing and playing instead of SPEAKING that which is written for our learning.

The Beast (Lucifer-Zoe-Venus) in the Garden of Eden is the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) using lusted after FRUITS (same as in Amos 8) as a sudden NEW STYLE OF MUSIC or SATYRIC Drama.

The IMAGE or IDOL is REpresenting or IMAGING (Greeks called it a third remove from facts) the WORD of God as TRUE WORSHIP. Jameson says of the hypocrites in Ezekiel 33 "they TURNED the Words of God into a song-Psalmos."

You are correct, Jesus never said 'thou shalt not be a hypocrite.'

I don't intend to spend much time when people cannot read and consider the posted BIBLE TEXT. Did you know that besides using MAYBERRY as sermons and using ARTIST to paint the sermon proves that God does HIDE from the great pretenders quickly replacing the preachers who use the TEXT?
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January 21st, 2014, 6:40 pm #18

Ken asked "I don't intend to spend much time when people cannot read and consider the posted BIBLE TEXT. Did you know that besides using MAYBERRY as sermons and using ARTIST to paint the sermon proves that God does HIDE from the great pretenders quickly replacing the preachers who use the TEXT?"

No, Ken, I didn't know that, but I am certainly glad that you told me. By the way, Greek mythology, personal opinion, & man's recorded history is NOT Bible text.

One more thing, if you sin (not saying that you ever have or ever will or would sin), but if you did or maybe do some time, is that sin OF God or OF Satan? If it is OF Satan, then is Satan your father?

Just a thought....

This might be a good time to edit....
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January 21st, 2014, 11:06 pm #19

I just quote the text because you are never going to hear beyond sermons reading verse 3-d as "my text for MY additions."

My once upon a time stray cat I took in gave birth to two persian looking ones, one solid black and one tabbyish. The same thing can happen in humans--so I am told.

ONE Mother: Two Fathers!

Since I just copy and paste I don't paint: you have to decide that the ONLY Bible or history on the subject means that Cain himself WAS a son of the Devil as stated (marked by speaking on his own and violating the command to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine) or that the Devil ENTERED him and REgenerated him. Take your pick: it makes little difference since I don't plan to fleece you in tithes and offerings.

Jesus said that the Jewish clergy which "had a covenant with death and hell" COULD NOT HEAR His message to the "babes" to HIDE from the WISE or SOPHISTS means speaking their own words, singing, playing instruments, acting or dancing--that gliding around on the podium. Do you believe that Jesus was violating ALL of the law by "showing partiality?"

I don't do dogma (includes musical performance or turning God's Word into a song) so I will just COPY AND PASTE and you can decide that it is FIGURATIVE when there is no hint of being figurative.

If I am right then people who will boast about UPSETTING you but moving slowly (Serpent creepethh) so you don't know that you have been INJECTED to NOT RESIST imposing musical performance which is the MARK of the BEAST in the garden because Christ called him-her-it a singing and harp-playing prositute" and in Revelation we learn from caring enough to read and define that:

The MARK is believing that an always gender-singing and playing instead of SPEAKING that which is written for our learning.

The Beast (Lucifer-Zoe-Venus) in the Garden of Eden is the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) using lusted after FRUITS (same as in Amos 8) as a sudden NEW STYLE OF MUSIC or SATYRIC Drama.

The IMAGE or IDOL is REpresenting or IMAGING (Greeks called it a third remove from facts) the WORD of God as TRUE WORSHIP. Jameson says of the hypocrites in Ezekiel 33 "they TURNED the Words of God into a song-Psalmos."

You are correct, Jesus never said 'thou shalt not be a hypocrite.'

I don't intend to spend much time when people cannot read and consider the posted BIBLE TEXT. Did you know that besides using MAYBERRY as sermons and using ARTIST to paint the sermon proves that God does HIDE from the great pretenders quickly replacing the preachers who use the TEXT?
Ken or Donnie, should we consider the KJV bible corrupt on the subject of the Holy Spirit? Did the KJV flub the correct gender of the Holy Spirit?
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January 22nd, 2014, 2:34 am #20

Spirit is always personified: the Spirit OF Christ is masculine because Jesus is a male.

This is ANTITHETICAL to the Jews based on Proverbs since SOPHIA is a female and considered the Holy Spirit. Proverbs 8

A Jew at the time of Jesus would KNOW that if Jesus ever spoke of a triad, the Spirit would be a SHE or Sophia. Sophia is the thread which includes the effeminate or perverted priesthood. However, the DOVE identified Jesus as the SON of a FATHER.

Sophia , Ion. -i, h, prop. A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, in music and singing, tekhn kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, in divination, S.OT 502
4. among the Jews, arkh sophias phobos Kuriou LXX Pr.1.7, cf. Jb.28.28, al.; Sophia, recognized first as an attribute of God, was later identified with the Spirit of God, cf. LXX Pr.8 with Si.24sq.


Sophia is marked by MUSIC and PEDERASTY
LOGOS is marked by the WORD and STRAIGHT

The Vineyard, Fuller lady Carol Wimber promotes LOUD MUSIC to create a sexual-like climax with the spirit. Female Clergy gave lessons and retired to a back room for a real WORSHIP EXPERIENCE where she fleeced the men of their food money. Only the name changes to protect the guilty.

Sophia or the Holy Spirit assumes the role in Creation as OPPOSED to the LOGOS or WORD. The DOVE parable should set it "STRAIGHT" so people can quit paying a price MUCH TOO HIGH. The Feminists now control kids from nursery to post-graduate work at Babel University.



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