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February 11th, 2017, 2:44 am #11

When I read this carefully it is certainly thought-provoking. Did you say that Cain was the literal son of Eve with the with the serpent the real father, with Cain representing agriculturalists who are the fathers and mothers of pagans. Do we look at the occupations of the descendants of Cain as for example musicators?
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February 11th, 2017, 5:44 am #12

Jesus said that the father of those who "speak on their own" is the devil.

Gen. 4:21 And his brother’s name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


This rising up to play was to play musical instruments and play with one another (Romans 1)

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


In Revelation:
Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERERS WERE all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


The "pharmakea" words for SORCERY is the same title as the original Babylon Mother of Harlots. Then and now she uses gender-tender emasculated priests Paul warned about as Dogs or Concision. In Babylonia we would add to the STAFF exorcists and prostitutes. That would implicate those who corrupt the Word by selling their own "stuff" at retail.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

There is a lot of clues to the idea that the World, Kosmos or the Ecumenical is the kingdom and domain of the Devil. Jesus said that He nor any one who followed Him were NOT OF the World. They are IN the World but not OF the world.

Heb. 11:13 These all died IN FAITH not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
1Pet. 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which WAR against the soul;


Isn't it telling that you can quote dozens and dozens of passage which prove that THERE IS ONE GOD the FATHER and One Son OF the father and whole universities seem Purpose Driven to drag people off into polytheism.

I have a large collection. Any input would be interesting. There are lots of "spirits" out there and it is easier to be inhabited by one of them than it is to find the NARROW ROAD or PATTERN.

Rubel Shelly and John York claim to have found NEW SPECTACLES to REIMAGE the Bible and Church.






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February 11th, 2017, 8:21 pm #13

Jesus of Nazareth was MADE TO BE BOTH Lord and Christ. Therefore, Jesus of Nazareth did NOT do the First Creation which is attributed to the ELOHIM. In Isaiah 45

Is. 45:18 For thus saith the LORD [Jehovah] that created the heavens;
[The Only True Elohim} God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: <font color="#FF0000">I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Is. 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.


The Second Creation of the Church of Christ formed in a spiritual sense to protect the Little Flock from FIRE

God breathed the Spirit OF Christ into the prophets and they defined the Lambs from the SERPENTS.

Those who see godliness as a means of financial gain or profession are not interested in the WORD as God's creative force being "Spirit and Life".

The Mark of those who can never see the LIGHT
Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?


Isa 8:[19] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

-cantus , ūs, m. id., 2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,”: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,” Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195; 7, 201: “at cantu commotae Erebi de sedibus imis Umbrae ibant,” Verg. G. 4, 471: “magici,”

-măgĭcus , a, um, adj., = magikos,
I. of or belonging to magic, magic, magical skilled in incantations resonant ubi Memnone (son of Tithonus and Aurora, and king of the Ethiopians;) chordae,”

"In Isa 8:19 the 'obhoth and yidh'onim are spoken of those who 'chirp and mutter." These terms refer to the necromancers themselves who practiced ventriloquism in connection with their magical rites. In Isa 29:4 it is said 'Thy voice shall be as an 'obh, out of the ground.'... They are stamped in these passages, as in the Witch of Endor narrative, as deceivers practising a fraudulent art. By implication their power to evoke spirits with whom they were in familiar intercourse is denied." (Int Std Bible Ency., ency, p. 690)

The Mark of those permitted to see LIGHT
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20


Jesus defined Holy Scripture as the testimony of the Prophets and the Law and Psalms which prophesied of Him.
Peter left us a "memory" of the made perfect prophecies and outlawed further expounding.
The Church of Christ is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles.
Those who use the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as PATTERN have asked to be turned over to Babylonian captivity and death.


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Ecclesiastes says that the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it. Jesus was sent to seek and save LOST SPIRITS because the body returns to the earth. He said that He did not even pray for those OF the World of the masses and that His called out assembly was a Little Flock given to Him by the Father.

Jesus also told those with a need to know that truth had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world and He did not speak to the multitude so that they could understand and hinder those who after baptism are "translated into a heavenly kingdom" which is the Church for we who are still living.

In Revelation 18 the sounds of the millstone was a piping sound so that people could located the GRINDERS or Concubines or worse. The Babylon Mother of Harlots in the beginning had prostitutes as one of its key MINISTRY STAFF. Both "corrupting the Word" and the Greek attitude was that people who sell themselves as speakers, singers or instrument players are prostitutes and parasites. Beyond educators who stick to the facts and "teach that which has been taught" or other necessary skills are PARASITES because they will do anything to sit at your table and they never PRODUCE anything of value.

Eccl. 12:1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
Eccl. 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain: [Loss of Knowledge caused by the musicators in Amos 8 and Isaiah 5]
Eccl. 12:3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the GRINDERS cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,


In Scripture this could have a double meaning. When Sampson was forced to sport or GRIND in the King's House he was not grinding grain. They bump and grind "for the lord" even now.



<font face="arial" size="4">Is. 47:2 Take the millstones, and GRIND meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
Is. 47:3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.
Is. 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Is. 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
Is. 47:6 I was wroth with my people, I have POLLUTED mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.


Polluted is h2490 Chalal (re Halal) to profane, from h2485 play the flute, define, take other people's inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, prostitute.


Eccl. 12:4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the GRINDING is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

The Jews had been abandoned to Worship the Starry host. The SERVICE of the Levites with instruments is a form of APOLLON and he is the leader of the Locusts who are the MUSES in revelation,.

carmen , a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation,
sound, both vocal and instrumentalMelody, Tuba, guitar (sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis, Lyre, magic formula, incantantation

Apollinem or Apollo god of the son, On account of his omniscience, god of divination; and since he communicated oracles in verse, god of poetry and music, presiding over the Muses, etc.; cf. Hor. C. S. 61 sq. In more ancient times, represented as a

7892 shiyr, sheer; or feminine h∂rˆyv shiyrah, shee-raw´; from 7891; a song; abstractly, singing:—musical(-ick), x sing(-er, -ing), song.

That music ALWAYS by daughters and the rare gender-afflicted male often "drunk on wine" will be OBSURDESCO to be deav, NOT to give ear to their modus or melody:

2. The measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony, time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode: “vocum,” Cic. Div. 2, 3, 9: “musici,” Quint. 1, 10, 14: “lyrici,

Eccl. 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond [Caper-bush] tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper [lucusta] shall be a burden [dissipo] , and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

Eccl. 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Eccl. 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
Eccl. 12:9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many PROVERBS.
Eccl. 12:10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.


In the synagogue the WORD was PREACHED by being READ. (h6943 from h6950)
h6951. qahal, kaw-hawl´; from 6950; assemblage (usually concretely):—assembly, company, congregation, multitude

"A community, qahal in Hebrew, is a Jewish community of any size. The qahal was a well established concept and was called an ekklesia in the Nazarean Codicil. In English we translate the Greek ekklesia as church. So, whenever we see the word church in our Nazarean Codicil's, we should have in mind the concept of a qahal, a community or congregation.

The Septuagint uses the word Ecclesia seventy times when it translates the Hebrew word: kve (qahal could also be spelled Cahal), from which we get our English word call. It means to call together, to assemble, or gather together.

The synagogue serves the same purpose for a community that the Temple served for the nation. (Greg Killian)

From this midrash we learn that the study and application of the scriptures and the oral law, are the work that a group of people put in to establish a qahal. However, without a structure to impart this wisdom, the qahal will not prosper. The structure that establishes and prospers a qahal is the synagogue.

The LXX uses the word ekklesia to translate the Hebrew qahal. Qahal means to call, to assemble, and the noun form means a congregation or assembly. Solomon is called koheleth the Preacher, translated by the LXX ekklesiastes. The earliest known occurrence of the word is found in Job 30:28, ‘I cried in the congregation’. In the books of the law, qahal is rendered by the Greek word sunagoge, showing that the synagogue is the beginning of the New Testament church. Stephen in his speech which ended in his martyrdom referred to the history of Israel, and dwells for considerable length upon the one great leader Moses, saying in Acts 7:38:


Eccl. 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from ONE SHEPHERD


Assemblies are "synagogues" h627.acçuppah, as-up-paw´; fem of 624.; a collection of (learned) men (only in the plural):—assembly. Latin concilium was the "church in the wilderness"

ONLY from the ONE SHEPHERD: h7462. raw-aw´; a primitive root; to tend a flock; i.e. pasture it; intransitively, to graze (literally or figuratively); generally to rule; by extension, to associate with (as a friend):—x break, companion, keep company with, devour, eat up, evil entreat, feed, use as a friend, make friendship with, herdman, keep (sheep)(-er), pastor, + shearing house, shepherd, wander, waste.

Eccl. 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.


Most apostasy probably flows out of Apostates who will sell their souls to get a BOOK PUBLISHED.

The book is from h 5608 the work of the Scribe whom Jesus called hypocrites.

Eccl. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Eccl. 12:14 For God shall bring every work into JUDGMENT, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


1Cor. 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Cor. 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Cor. 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
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February 13th, 2017, 12:40 pm #14

Cain killed Abel, symbolic of pagan agricultural powers who killed the prophets who represents animal sacrifice of LORD God worshippers. The birth of Seth represents the arrival of a holy figure, that is the Christian age, when mankind would begin to call upon the name of the Lord. God always brings holy forces against the evil in the world.
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February 13th, 2017, 4:09 pm #15

Sounds good to me. The family out of Cain produced all of the works of human hands which people used to fleece rather than feed the lambs. The family out of Enoch produced Noah:

Gen. 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Gen. 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Gen. 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen. 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen. 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


In Genesis 49 Jacob again draws a line between those who would GIVE rest (Shiloh) and the Levites whose "service" was hard bondage.

Jesus brought us REST from the laded burdens and burden laders. Minister speaks of those like Timothy told to work so that he could serve others.

1Pet. 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pet. 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pet. 3:21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pet. 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


Baptism as a symbol of cooling and comfort is INSTRUMENTAL in true Spiritual refreshing or regeneration because JESUS TOLD US SO. A believer who is baptized becomes a DISCIPLE

-Sabba^t-ismos , ho,
A.a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr.4.9, cf. Plu.2.166a (codd., baptismous Bentley).
bapt-ismos , ho, dipping in water 2. metaph., “eis kakias b. oikhēsetai” Theol.Ar.30.

“eis kakias b. oikhēsetai means that the BADNESS is GONE

school (n.1) Look up school at Dictionary.com
"place of instruction," Old English scol, from Latin schola "intermission of work, leisure for learning; learned conversation, debate; lecture; meeting place for teachers and students, place of instruction; disciples of a teacher, body of followers, sect,"

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February 22nd, 2017, 10:10 pm #16

Jesus of Nazareth was MADE TO BE BOTH Lord and Christ. Therefore, Jesus of Nazareth did NOT do the First Creation which is attributed to the ELOHIM. In Isaiah 45

Is. 45:18 For thus saith the LORD [Jehovah] that created the heavens;
[The Only True Elohim} God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: <font color="#FF0000">I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Is. 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.


The Second Creation of the Church of Christ formed in a spiritual sense to protect the Little Flock from FIRE

God breathed the Spirit OF Christ into the prophets and they defined the Lambs from the SERPENTS.

Those who see godliness as a means of financial gain or profession are not interested in the WORD as God's creative force being "Spirit and Life".

The Mark of those who can never see the LIGHT
Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?


Isa 8:[19] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

-cantus , ūs, m. id., 2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,”: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,” Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195; 7, 201: “at cantu commotae Erebi de sedibus imis Umbrae ibant,” Verg. G. 4, 471: “magici,”

-măgĭcus , a, um, adj., = magikos,
I. of or belonging to magic, magic, magical skilled in incantations resonant ubi Memnone (son of Tithonus and Aurora, and king of the Ethiopians;) chordae,”

"In Isa 8:19 the 'obhoth and yidh'onim are spoken of those who 'chirp and mutter." These terms refer to the necromancers themselves who practiced ventriloquism in connection with their magical rites. In Isa 29:4 it is said 'Thy voice shall be as an 'obh, out of the ground.'... They are stamped in these passages, as in the Witch of Endor narrative, as deceivers practising a fraudulent art. By implication their power to evoke spirits with whom they were in familiar intercourse is denied." (Int Std Bible Ency., ency, p. 690)

The Mark of those permitted to see LIGHT
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20


Jesus defined Holy Scripture as the testimony of the Prophets and the Law and Psalms which prophesied of Him.
Peter left us a "memory" of the made perfect prophecies and outlawed further expounding.
The Church of Christ is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles.
Those who use the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as PATTERN have asked to be turned over to Babylonian captivity and death.


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How could it be an accident that the story of God in the affairs ends with the same message as the beginning. We have noted that the end-time Babylon mother of harlots ENDS where she began in Babylon. I have wrestled with this but Bullinger did it.

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February 28th, 2017, 1:35 am #17

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February 28th, 2017, 5:55 pm #18

Jesus of Nazareth was MADE TO BE BOTH Lord and Christ. Therefore, Jesus of Nazareth did NOT do the First Creation which is attributed to the ELOHIM. In Isaiah 45

Is. 45:18 For thus saith the LORD [Jehovah] that created the heavens;
[The Only True Elohim} God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: <font color="#FF0000">I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Is. 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.


The Second Creation of the Church of Christ formed in a spiritual sense to protect the Little Flock from FIRE

God breathed the Spirit OF Christ into the prophets and they defined the Lambs from the SERPENTS.

Those who see godliness as a means of financial gain or profession are not interested in the WORD as God's creative force being "Spirit and Life".

The Mark of those who can never see the LIGHT
Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead?


Isa 8:[19] et cum dixerint ad vos quaerite a pythonibus et a divinis qui stridunt in incantationibus suis numquid non populus a Deo suo requirit pro vivis a mortuis

-cantus , ūs, m. id., 2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,”: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,” Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195; 7, 201: “at cantu commotae Erebi de sedibus imis Umbrae ibant,” Verg. G. 4, 471: “magici,”

-măgĭcus , a, um, adj., = magikos,
I. of or belonging to magic, magic, magical skilled in incantations resonant ubi Memnone (son of Tithonus and Aurora, and king of the Ethiopians;) chordae,”

"In Isa 8:19 the 'obhoth and yidh'onim are spoken of those who 'chirp and mutter." These terms refer to the necromancers themselves who practiced ventriloquism in connection with their magical rites. In Isa 29:4 it is said 'Thy voice shall be as an 'obh, out of the ground.'... They are stamped in these passages, as in the Witch of Endor narrative, as deceivers practising a fraudulent art. By implication their power to evoke spirits with whom they were in familiar intercourse is denied." (Int Std Bible Ency., ency, p. 690)

The Mark of those permitted to see LIGHT
To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20


Jesus defined Holy Scripture as the testimony of the Prophets and the Law and Psalms which prophesied of Him.
Peter left us a "memory" of the made perfect prophecies and outlawed further expounding.
The Church of Christ is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles.
Those who use the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as PATTERN have asked to be turned over to Babylonian captivity and death.


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Adding to Bullinger The devil turns tricks: when one trick doesn't work anymore they just invent another one. The Missional Ministry is to trick you into believing that they mean MISSIONARY. Jesus came at the right time or KAIROS the new ploy is to plant KAIROS churches. However, Kairos is the DEMON son of Zeus and Jesus came to silence and BURN the temple devoted to Zeus and son Hermes or Kairos. The KAIROS time is the right time and place to launch a Satanic attack and right place to begin. The true Church has fled and is, as defined of the Kingdom, is mostly invisible and inaudible except SPEAKING the Word to call in the Lost Spirits and HIDE from those of the Ecumenical.

The more people FLEE from the well-defined enemies of the church the more violent they become in piling on ministries led by parasites trying to keep your mind OFF Jesus and on women or effeminate males engaged in SELF-EXHIBITION and claiming that they are representing Jesus. They are well defined as standing in their holy places claiming to be Christ because they invent their own songs and sermons and boast about being ANTI-LOGOS because God will not let them know that the Logos IS the Regulative Principle. The Spirit OF Christ says of those who do not SPEAK the Word that <font color="#FF0000">THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM


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