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Donnie mentioned that Rick Warren believes that the sinner's prayer is enough for salvation. Donnie said "CAUTION: Rick Warren, pastor of the Saddleback Community Church in CA, formerly a Baptist pastor, teaches this sinner's prayer in order for the sinner to be saved."
This comes directly from the saddleback site. YOU decide if Donnie was being untruthful....again.
About SalvationAbout BaptismSalvation is a gift from God to man. Man can never make up for his sin by self-improvement or good works only by trusting in Jesus Christ as Gods offer of forgiveness can man be saved from sins penalty. Eternal life begins the moment one receives Jesus Christ into his life by faith.==============================Baptism by immersion symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and is your public declaration that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. Baptism does not save you, but shows the world that you have already been saved. And while baptism is not required for salvation, it is a biblical command and demonstrates your love and obedience to Christ.
What Is the Meaning of Baptism?
1. It illustrates Christ´s burial and resurrection.
"Christ died for our sins... He was buried... and He rose again." --I Cor. 15:3-4
"For when you were baptized, you were buried with Christ, and in baptism you were also raised with Christ." --Col. 2:12
2. It illustrates my new life as a Christian.
"When someone becomes a Christian he becomes a brand new person inside. The old life has passed away and a new life has begun!" --2 Cor. 5:17
"By our baptism then, we were buried with Him and shared His death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead... so also we may live a new life!" --Rom. 6:4
Baptism doesn´t make you a believer - it shows that you already believe. Baptism does not "save" you, only your faith in Christ does that. Baptism is like a wedding ring - it´s the outward symbol of the commitment you make in your heart.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith... it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast." --Ephesians 2:8,9
Why Be Baptized By Immersion?
1. Because Jesus was baptized that way.
"As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water." --Matt. 3:16
2. Every baptism in the Bible was by immersion.
"...then both Philip and the man went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water..." --Acts 8:38-39
The word Baptize means "To dip under water"
The Greek work Baptizo means "To immerse or dip under water".
It best symbolized a burial and resurrection!
3. The founders of denominations agree:
Martin Luther... "I would have those who are to be baptized to be entirely immersed, as the work imports and the mystery signifies."
John Calvin... "The word ´baptize´ signifies to immerse. It is certain that immersion was the practice of the ancient church."
John Wesley... "Buried with Him, alludes to baptizing by immersion according to the custom of the first church."
Who Should Be Baptized?
1. Every person who has believed in Christ.
"Those who believe and accepted His message were baptized..." --Acts 2:41
"Simon himself believed and was baptized..." --Acts 8:13
"But when they believed Philip as he preached the Good News... and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." --Acts 8:12
2. At Saddleback, we wait until our children are old enough to believe and understand the true meaning of baptism before we baptize them.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]NOTE:
1. ConcernedMembers wanted to give credit to the poster Dave Fields, instead of "Anonymous."
2. ConcernedMembers included the above quoted statements in blue from the Saddleback website -- they were too important to be missing.[/color]
The biggest glitch in worship was the Sunday that the presider over the Lord's Supper "just missed" that the baptizer and obedient believer entered the pool at about the same time.Scripture,
Maybe they will sing all four verses of 'Just as I am' next time. That would help ya.....for sure.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]That was Dave Fields -- in case Scripture wants to address a response to whomever.[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Scripture,The biggest glitch in worship was the Sunday that the presider over the Lord's Supper "just missed" that the baptizer and obedient believer entered the pool at about the same time.
The presider made a long speech of about 5 minutes, while yet the baptism was to start, with both baptizer and respondent continuing to be in the pool--I hope the water was not cold. Then the bread was served.
Then the presiding person sat down, fully seeing the two in the baptismal pool, and yet went back up and made another speech. Then the fruit of the vine was served.
About at the end of the passing out of the fruit of the vine, the baptizer had the nerve to go ahead with the baptizing. That was a long 10 minutes or so.
Could this be another price of the "dynamic" worship?
Wow, what a dynamic worship, what an "orange" feeling! Dynamism for sure, decency and in order, can be discussed later.
Today, Nov 18, we learned that all Christians should "tithe."[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Scripture,
Did this occur on Nov. 4? If so, I wasn't there at the time.
It's a bit confusing to me -- it appears that someone had the urgency to be buried with Christ in baptism in order to receive: (a) forgiveness of sins and (b) the gift of a spirit of holiness [the scriptural way per Acts 2:38; 3:19] ... at the time ... when the saints were to commemorate the Lord's suffering and death on the cross. (Long-winded, I know.]
How could both instances have occurred at the same time? A result of the emphasis on "dynamic worship"? What should have taken precedence? Baptism "before lightning strikes"?
Speaking of "dynamic worship," during the Keith Lancaster musical era, the "worship program" often included no less than 8 "praise" songs. There were times when as many as 13 musical "praise" and "feel-good" campfire songs were sung. The notion that singing of "praise songs" was real "worship" -- all else was secondary.
But now the "dynamic worship" includes women giving testimonies on stage regarding their successful social fund-raising campaigns or a "lady in pants" co-leading in "musical worship."[/color]
If a Christian congregation teaches Old Testament tithing as a must-do thing, then it might as well teach Saturday worship, burning sacrifices, and observing "holy" days like Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, Passover...in short upholding all the tenets of the Mosaic Law.Today, Nov 18, we learned that all Christians should "tithe."
There was a long video, teaching this Old Testament doctrine.