Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, Tx

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May 14th, 2005, 2:19 pm #41

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
Ed,

I appreciate all the nice things you have written; all praise be to God above.

There are many, many sites that you can visit to get excellent information to show that these “modern bibles” are full of corruptions. These perverted books were purposely written to deceive those who are trying to live for Jesus and obey God’s Word.

I commend you for being able to see thru the mass deception and confusion that has trapped so many brothers and sister in Christ. May God continue to bless you and all who are sincerely seeking to find an answer to this sad and shameful problem.

I will post a response shortly called “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” in order to list some things that can be done in these situations.

I pray that it will be of some value to you.


In Jesus name
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May 15th, 2005, 6:13 am #42

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
<FONT SIZE=5>Men and brethren, what shall we do?</FONT>

<FONT SIZE=3>There are some who are asking for help on what to do when they suspect that their congregation is being taken over by the change artists.


First let me say that there is no easy answer. This situation is being carried out by a group of people in high places. The efforts and tactics of this organization seem to give meaning to these following verses:



Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph:6:13: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.



Here are some things that we as Christians can do to fight the good fight of faith in this situation.


1. Pray

Pray for your congregation and all bodies of Christ that are facing this evil effort to overtake the Lord's Church. Pray that the Word of God will prevail therein. Also pray for guidance from above that God may lead us in the way that we should go.

1Th:5:17: Pray without ceasing.
1Pe:3:12: For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
2Th:3:1: Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:


2. Study

We must study so that we will not be fooled by the subtle and deceptive ways of Satan; We must understand that Satan has attacked the Word of God from the beginning in his efforts to lead us away from God. By changing his Word(adding and subtracting from it) and enticing us with the vanities and pleasures of this world, Satan lures us into sin and disobedience.

Ge:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Ge:3:2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Ge:3:4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


Remember Satan is a liar, and those who are leading the efforts to take over Christ's Church are liars. Like in the passage above in many instances Satan begins with small changes (he only added one additional word to what God had said, the word not) and then builds upon these changes.

God cannot lie. When you find lies in these modern bibles (such as in M'r:1:2) than you know they are not of God. We must have the pure Word of God or we will be led astray. Utilize The Ultimate Bible Test (http://www.network54.com/Forum/message? ... 1114318811)
to prove the whether are not a modern bible is of God. God has provided us a way to test the spirits, whether they be of God or whether they be of a deceiver and/or an antichrist. You will see that these modern bibles cannot pass this test because they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

We must learn of him to be able to teach others of him, and in order to truly learn of him we must begin we his true Word.



2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Ac:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.



We must study and study often so that we will be ready to answer and to defend the Lord's Church.

There are many, many web sites that are available to learn about the history of the Word of God.


Here are some links for educational study purposes on the history of the King James Translation (again these are only for educational purposes, I do not endorse any doctrinal statements of these sites):

Modern Bibles weaken God's Promise to Preserve His Word
http://aliveinchrist040801.tripod.com/nopreserv.htm

Your Bible questions answered.
http://www.chick.com/search/searchask/questionans.asp

ABOUT THE KING JAMES PAGES
http://www.holybible.com/resources/about_kjv.htm

Why should I use the King James translation?
http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/ans001.asp

INTRODUCTION TO THE TRANSLATION
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/transtoc.htm#toc

A Brief History of the King James Bible
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

The King James Controversy:
A Biblical View
http://www.purewords.org/kjb1611/html/king.htm

"SPIRITUAL DECEPTION IN THE HIGHEST"
http://www.concernedmembers.com/spiritualdeception.htm

ANOTHER BIBLE ~ ANOTHER GOSPEL
http://watch.pair.com/another.html

Bible Version Issue
http://www.biblebelievers.com/BibleVersions.html

THE AV 1611: Purified Seven Times (interesting)
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Vance5.html

The New King James Counterfeit
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html


3. Teach

2Tm:2:24: And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;



Print or copy information that you think will be useful and discuss it with others who are seeking to please God.


4. Fight

1Tm:6:11: But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
1Tm:6:12: Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.


Stand up for Jesus. Utilize this site and any other means that you find appropriate to get the word out to as many as possible.

This corruption in the Church cannot survive unless it has the perverted modern versions such as the NIV, NASB, NKJV, and others to back-up its deceptive practices. This site is a powerful tool that can be utilized to inform the masses. Tell members of your congregation about this site and invite as many as possible to join in the discussions.


5. Preach

Preach the Word of God. Encourage others to stand up for God's Word and(his) Church. Rebuke those who continue to error in doctrine.

2Tm:4:2: Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Jas:4:7: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas:4:8: Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Eph:6:10: Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph:6:11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph:6:13: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph:6:14: Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph:6:15: And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph:6:16: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph:6:17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph:6:18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph:6:19: And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph:6:20: For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


6. Shine

Be a good example to others who are in your situation by letting your light so shine before men.

M't:5:14: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
M't:5:15: Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
M't:5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

7. Do all in name of the Lord.

Never forget who we are fighting for; we can not fight this battle alone. We must enlist the powers from above and do all in the name of the Lord.

Col:3:16: Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Col:3:17: And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.




May God bless you all.

In Jesus name.</FONT>
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May 15th, 2005, 12:55 pm #43

Ed,

I appreciate all the nice things you have written; all praise be to God above.

There are many, many sites that you can visit to get excellent information to show that these “modern bibles” are full of corruptions. These perverted books were purposely written to deceive those who are trying to live for Jesus and obey God’s Word.

I commend you for being able to see thru the mass deception and confusion that has trapped so many brothers and sister in Christ. May God continue to bless you and all who are sincerely seeking to find an answer to this sad and shameful problem.

I will post a response shortly called “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” in order to list some things that can be done in these situations.

I pray that it will be of some value to you.


In Jesus name
I'll try now for the THIRD time to make this post.

First, Ed, I truly hope that your post was in jest. If you genuinely believe Paul and Jesus used the KJV, open yours and take a look at the dates in the front. Since it was published in 1611, they probably didn't read from it.

Second, seeking, it's interesting that you completely ignored that part of ed's post.

Third, seeking, would you care to respond to the actual content of my last post. What do you think about the problems in the KJV of those verses? Can you see that in some verses, other translations might be closer to the original? (By the way, I did not use the Westcott & Hort text, although I have a feeling you're only recycling that argument from another source.)

Fourth, when the "Word of God" is referred to in scripture, it is not specifically referring only to the KJV (just as it would not have to a Christian in 1237 A.D.).

Please, restrain from the NIV name calling and give your reaction to those particular verses in my last post.
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May 22nd, 2005, 9:17 pm #44

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
<FONT SIZE=3>Re: B.


<FONT SIZE=4>You were answered.</FONT>


Read the post again, you were answered.

I know that you are NIV positive (NIV = New Ignorance Version). You need to check in with the good Doctor above before it is too late. You are in danger of acquiring full blown AIDS (Acquired Ignorance Disease Syndrome).

Please get some help; and this time seek help from above, not below.

Why do you insist on defending one of Satan’s favorite books.

Do you think that Jesus would defend The NIV?

The NIV calls Jesus and Lucifer by the same name! This was not done by mistake. It was done on purpose by the people who wanted to disrespect the Lord.

Does that fact even make a difference to you?

Hello! Wake up!

Which side are you on, God’s side or Satan’s?

If you want to be on God’s side, then start standing up for God and his Word.



Re: B.

1 Peter 4:1 - Flesh/body - Do you find such a different meaning in these two that is has caused your walk with God to suffer? Body is simply a more modern term for flesh.


You know, it is really a shame that I have to explain the difference between the two words body and flesh. It just seems so elementary. I mean, do you remember when you were about 3 or 4 years old and you mommy taught you how to recognize the parts of your body. It might have went a little something like this –

Ok little B., today we are going to learn the parts of your body. This is your eye, this is your mouth, these are your ears, these are your teeth, these are your little feet, and these are your little bitty legs. These are all PARTS of your BODY. She could have went on to say that your body is made up of FLESH, BONES, HAIR, BLOOD, NAILS, AND WATER, AND CERTAIN OTHER THINGS. Little B., If you are confused than let me know and mommy will try to explain in simpler terms. Ok?

I should not have to explain the different between body and flesh to you.

But if you still think that these two words have the same meaning then do not stop there. Why don’t you change the word FLESH into the word BODY where ever you find the word FLESH in the Bible? For example, replace the word BODY for FLESH in the following verses:


1Co:12:12: For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co:12:14: For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co:12:15: If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co:12:16: And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co:12:17: If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1Co:12:18: But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body., as it hath pleased him.
1Co:12:19: And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co:12:20: But now are they many members, yet but one body.
1Co:12:21: And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
1Co:12:22: Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
1Co:12:23: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
1Co:12:24: For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
1Co:12:25: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
1Co:12:26: And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
1Co:12:27: Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.



Now substitute the word flesh in place of the word body in the following verses. (Since you are under the impression that the word Body is simply a more modern term for flesh then it should make no difference here)



Eph:5:30: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Col:1:24: Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:





I speak English.

I am sure that God has provided inspired translations in many different languages. How else can God hold us responsible for living by every Word of God if he did not provide us with his inspired Word in a language that we could read and understand? Do you think that God expects every one to learn the ancient Greek and Hebrew languages? Do you think that God expects us to read and speak them as if they were our native tongue? Do you think that everyone has access to the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures?

Oh ye of little faith! But I am not surprised that you are lacking faith in God because you choose to use Satan’s substitutes. When you don’t have God’s true Word, your faith in God’s abilities will suffer. Without faith in God, it is impossible to please him.

Ro:10:17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



It does not matter what language the Word of God is translated into. There are bibles translated in many, many languages. God can inspire his Word in any language that he sees fit, including English.

Yes, believe it or not, God is that great!

I believe that when someone is sincerely seeking the truth, they will find it; and when they find it, they will know it, no matter what language form it is in. The truth is the truth and a lie is a lie.


Joh:8:32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Corruption is corruption, even if you think it is only a little corruption. It messes up the whole Book.

1Co:5:6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Re:22:18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


When we hear God’s Word, some of us will know it, but unfortunately, some of us won’t.

Joh:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

By the way, don’t worry about Ed, he will find the truth about the King James translation if he is sincerely seeking it.

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May 23rd, 2005, 5:15 pm #45

I realize I found this thread a little after the original post in October 2002, but I would like to make some observations about that first post.



"Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, Tx. This has been going on for the past 20 + years."

If it's taking them over 20 years, they're not doing a very good job as change agents.



"I used to attend there but no longer because of this."

God bless you. I wish more would learn from your example. Once you reach the stage where it is obvious that the congregation is not going to turn back in your direction, there is no point in staying and being miserable (assuming you have another congregation available). If you were new to a town with 3 congregations, and 2 of them had practices you felt uncomfortable with; which one would you attend?



"They have a praise team."

Praise team is now a meaningless buzzword. If you are talking about an all male praise team, there is no less authority for that in scripture than for a single songleader. If you are talking about a male/female praise team, then the true issue is the women's role and has NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC. People have argued this point from the wrong angle for too long. Many who could care less if you have 1 songleader or 10 would still respect the women's role argument, if someone would make it.



"...and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room"

Men eating and praying together? Scandalous!



"They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week."

Christians meeting together in homes? Where could they have come up with a crazy idea like that? Are you familiar with the 1st century church? Apparently these change agents have taken 2000 years to get their agenda through.



"They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation."

Do you remember a couple by the name of Joseph and Mary bringing their baby to the temple? Although scripture does not require this act of Christians today, what could be wrong about parents making a public statement that they want to raise their new baby in the Lord?



"They have a woman as a minister to the women."

I don't think Paul ever wrote anything about women being silent and not having authority over other women.



"I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for a long time and didn't realize what was going on."

Okay, first there's nothing wrong with studying a book. Second, every educational institution likes to brag about student teacher ratio. 10 to a class is not a negative. Third, how long do you have to attend a Bible class before you know what it's about?



"They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional."

At most churches, at least a third of the people who attend a morning worship service DO NOT attend Bible class. If a class like you describe would appeal to some of that third, is that not better than their not coming at all?



"This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well."

Could you be the change agent?



"They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere."

It ain't cheap to build in Dallas. What amount would be O.K. with you?



"This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult."

Really? What is the death toll at the Woodlands? This is right up there with the Hitler/NIV Bible comparison.



"I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches."

Me neither.



"They are so wrapped up in being entertained."

I guess only you, along with God, know their hearts.



It's no wonder we can't settle the scriptural issues. We're too busy creating our own.
Amen! Thank you for your comments. I was just about to log off this site totally discouraged. I have oe thing to add foe all those who have it 'ALL FIGURED OUT". BE CAREFUL HOW YOU JUDGE - FOR THE SAME MEASURE YOU USED WILL BE MESURED TO YOU!
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June 5th, 2005, 4:13 am #46

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
<FONT SIZE=5>The NIV is put to THE ULTIMATE BIBLE TEST!</font>

Can the NIV pass The Ultimate Bible Test?

The Ultimate Bible Test is a tool that can be used to test the multitude of so-called "modern bibles" that have been so widely circulated throughout the world.

We will put the NIV to the test to see if it can make the statement that "Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh".

Let us see if it can PASS the test!



In the Flesh – <FONT SIZE=5>The Ultimate Bible Test</font>
2Jo 1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Test your “modern bible” (i.e. NIV, NKJV, RSV, LB, NASB…) to see if it was written by the inspiration God (2 Tim. 3:16) or by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”; If we desire to please God we must have the pure Word of God. May the Holy Spirit guide you in all truth. If the words of the “modern bible” that you use were written by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”, then it will not be able to state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” (present tense). Always look for subtle additions, subtractions, and errors that lead to contradictions and confusions. Remember 1Co 14:33, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints and 1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Instructions (Pray for guidance, read the following rules, begin the test strictly applying these rules)
The following 7 Bible verses are found in the King James Translation. Check your “modern bible” for these scriptures and see if the version that you are using can pass the test. The part of the verse that states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” is underlined. Check to see if the scripture in your “modern bible” correctly states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.”(It must show PRESENT tense – it cannot read as PAST tense – it must state “IN THE FLESH” [not in his body; “body” and “flesh” do not have the same meaning]); if it does not state it correctly, it fails the test and cannot be considered (in any way) the pure WORD OF GOD according to 1 Jo 4:3.



Now we will examine each of the 7 verses to see if the NIV can pass the test.

Let us begin:




1. Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:




<B>KJ Translation - Romans 8:3 in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #1 – <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!
NIV - Romans 8:3

So he condemned sin IN SINFUL MAN = …his own Son …condemned sin IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. # 1 – <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: The NIV has changed the told concept of the verse. It is stating that Christ condemned sin IN SINFUL MAN. It does so in order to avoid saying what an antichrist cannot say, and that is that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH.
What is so special about condemning sin in sinful man, we all do that from time to time. IN THE FLESH is defined as: IN PERSON. Again we see the words inspired by a deceiver and an antichrist dance around stating what the King James has no problem stating that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH.
Coincidence you say? What’s the big deal? I believe Satan would have that same response! He wants us to think that this is no big deal, but true seekers of the truth will not fall for that. We know it is a BIG, BIG deal!)</font></b>

2. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



<B>KJ Translation - 1Timothy 3:16

in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJT vs. #2– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!



NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

He appeared in a body = GOD was manifest IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. #2– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: The NIV states: He[c] appeared in a body,[d] and than in footnotes below brings in question whether or not if God himself was the one who was manifest IN THE FLESH. It is also footnotes that IN THE BODY as OR IN THE FLESH. There are at least two problems with doing what the NIV does in this instance:

(1). Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning.

A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A BODY is made of FLESH. FLESH is defined as: the soft tissues primarily muscle and fat, that cover the bones of people and other animals. (According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”.)

(2). FOOTNOTES or NOT the Word of God!

Footnotes are the words of the translator or writer. They are not the inspired words of God. )</font></b>




3. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:



<B>KJ Translation - 1Peter 3:18 Christ …suffered for sins…being put to death in the flesh

in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #3 – <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED



NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

18. Christ died for sins…He was put to death in the body…

IN THE BODY = IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. #3– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning. A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A body is made of flesh. According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”)</font></b>




4. 1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;



<B>KJ Translation - 1Peter 3:16 in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #4– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!




NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

in his body = IN THE FLESH


Results for NIV vs. #4- <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning. A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A body is made of flesh. According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”. Also see notes from #2 above)</font></b>





5. 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:




<B>KJ Translation - 1John 4:2

is come (present tense) = IS COME (present tense)

Results for KJ #5- <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 1John 4:2 states :

Jesus Christ has come in the flesh = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

has come (past tense) = IS COME (present tense)


Results for NIV #5- <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font> (Note: Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, he is not dead. He was received up into glory in the flesh and will return in like manner – Acts 1:11). The word “is” is the third person singular present tense of "be". The word "be" is defined as: to exist; have life or reality; to occupy a position. (The American Heritage Dictionary) The word "has" is defined as: the third person singular of the word “have”. The word “have” is defined as: to be in possesion of; own. The phrase "has come" also implies past tense.) </font></b>


6. 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.




<B>KJ Translation 1Jo 4:3


Jesus Christ is come in the flesh = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh


Results for KJ #6– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 1John 4:3 states:

Jesus = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

Results for NIV #6– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: the NIV has taken away “Christ is come in the flesh”. The only Word left is the word “Jesus”. God strictly forbids anyone (including NIV scribes) for taking away from his Word. This is again not surprising because a deceiver and an antichrist cannot state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” according to 2JO 1:7.)</font></b>





7. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.




<B>KJ Translation 2Jo 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. = For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Results for KJ #7– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 2John 1:7 states:


Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh = For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Results for NIV #7– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: What exactly does AS COMING mean? Does it mean that will eventually come sooner or later? Jesus Christ IS come! He IS presently reigning as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS!
We must keep in mind that Jesus never died a second death. He was taken up; and a cloud received him out of the apostles site.

<I>AS COMING
does not equal IS COME.</font></b></i>)







<FONT SIZE=3> So we see how the NIV is again using the practice of deception to avoid making the statement that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH!

In all seven verses it dances around making the confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

It could not even make that full statement once!

Now the question has to be WHY?

Why is it that the NIV which claims to be the inspired words of God could not confess the statement that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

Why?

Because it is inspired by a deceiver and an antichrist!

The word of God can not lie! 2 John 1:7 tells us how to recognize a spirit of an antichrist and the NIV gives us a prime example of that spirit in action!

You can search the whole book and you will never see the NIV make this statement or confession correctly!

Why?</font>


1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo:4:2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo:4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo:4:4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo:4:5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo:4:6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


<FONT SIZE=3>God has made a way for us to determine whether or not something is inspired by him. It is up to us to apply his wisdom and his knowledge.

We can choose to be lead by the Holy Spirit or we can choose to continue to use and promote deception.

Choose Jesus</font>


Joh:8:31: Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh:8:32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh:8:36: If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


In Jesus name.






Does your Bible translation(s) pass the test?

The Ultimate Bible Test was written by Nason L. Melton
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Holly
Holly

June 13th, 2005, 4:04 pm #47

If our Brethren would spend more time studying the Word and less time complaining, just maybe the church would grow. No wonder we are continually trying to find out what we can do to grow the church. Dispite our complete contempt for the Lord and His word, His will is accomplished.

The evil one loves our efforts to divide His church.
The Lord's church is never divided, there are simply some that fall away and give in to false doctrine and try to make His church just another denomination by "scratching itching ears". In Revelation, we are told not to add to or take from what is written. This "new movement" is adding to and that is something they will have to answer for to God. Examples are given and we are to abide by them. God is not a respecter of persons and it doesn't really matter what YOU think is right or unfair or unnecessary or okay, God has given his guidelines and you either abide by them or you don't and when you don't you are playing a dangerous game with your soul.
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Dr D H Christopher
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March 8th, 2006, 12:37 am #48

The recent letter from Eastern European Mission did a slick connection between Putin's comment and the urge to send money to PASTE Mike Armour all over "Russia" but going to the Eukraine.

Furthermore, EEM is a MINISTRY OF BAMMEL ROAD CHURCH OF CHRIST, HOUSTON.

**********WE HAVE PULLED OUR SUPPORT!!!

Sending BIBLES used to be fun but teaching HERESY is one of those INFILTRATE, DIVERT AND TEACH FALSE DOCTRINE.

As Madison rides on the back of Kregg Hood for teaching ABSOLUTE FALSEHOOD about tithing, Mike Armour spreads the MANTRA that the TRADITIONS drive the ANTI-INSTRUMENTAL views of the church of Christ. I will review one of his writings and get it posted soon.

For now, you should understand that EXPERIENCING GOD by Blackaby and King is "southern baptist" but is repudiated by Batists who ARE AWAKE AND HAVE THEIR CLOTHES ON.

This is NARRATIVE THEOLOGY. According to Rubel Shelly all of the Bible has been sifted through philosophy and the writer's PERSONAL AGENDA. However, the junk stuff is still available to make YOUR OWN Scripture through "new glasses" and VALIDATE it by your experience with your own new queer songs. This is part of the LATTER RAIN which at Jubilee 99 was dubbed LATTER REIGN seeking ways to ASSIST GOD as all PRAISE SINGING is an attempt to PROP UP A FAILING JESUS who did not bring the kingsom the first time.

Here is one review of Experiencing God which tells you how you can be GREATER THAN Moses or even Jesus Christ.

http://www.piney.com/HsExper.html

Another look at Blackaby King here: if you want to be superior to JESUS CHRIST then just watch what will happen out of just a little class of INFILTRATORS AND DIVERTERS:

http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

The Jewish PRAISE TEAM stood in the court and tried to EXORCIZE the demons hoovering around the burning animals. They were a CARNAL TYPE of Mocking Lord Jesus "outside the camp."

The Holy Place was a carnal type of the church of Christ which is a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE and not a worship center. Levitical singers or musicians never dared enter into the type of the church of Christ or they would have suffered violence.

Not even in the VILEST pagan temples could the singers and musicians ever enter into the type of the church as a place of discipline while worship is IN THE HUMAN SPIRIT. However, the end time BABYLON WHORE is a final attempt of the failed Lucifer or ZOE.

The musical praise team is "an abomination which makes desolate standing in the Holy Place claiming that we are God" by claiming to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. God is MARKING those with the musical BRAND and separating out those MARKED with the Mind of Christ which is the Spirit of God. It all fulfills prophecy and YOU ARE THERE watching God do His supernatural work. The locusts (cymbals) are doing the work of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon who was the "father of musical harmony, twanging bowstrings, thieves and liars."

I will post more to show you that this is what has been promoted at JUBILEE and other grand meetings trying to bring about the ATONEMENT where Jesus failed.

Remember: Henry Blackaby and King making you into GODS, Mike Armour tring to belittle churches of Christ singing position to set up the Hegel (or Hitler) Dialectic to make you HATE the old church of Christ, Eastern European Mission to SPREAD ARMOUR rather than JESUS CHRIST and the PRAISE TEAM doing what was done by the Sodomites and women singer/musicians right there in and around the Jerusalem Temple.

It is ALL to silence the voice of Lord Jesus Christ Who is FULL DEITY which is the message of ALL singing and music in the Old Testament beginning (believe it or not) in the Garden of Eden where Eve was wholly seduced and Adam went willingly to curse the earth.

More later, Ken Sublett
On Instrumental Music in Churches of Christ
Dr. H. Christopher

“Contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.”—Jude.


There is one prominent feature, one especially distinctive and striking peculiarity, in the religion of Jesus Christ, which is its excellence and glory. In the eyes of philosophy this may be its defect and shame. This peculiarity or distinctive feature is its stereotyped character. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a stereotyped religion. It was completed by the Holy Spirit speaking and writing by the inspired apostles, and during their lifetime. Since their death no man has spoken by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. As the inspired men left the gospel, so the Holy Spirit left it, and so must it ever remain until God shall change, alter, or modify it. It is the same to-day that it was in the days of the apostles; and it is but the dictate of common sense that man can not retouch it, embellish, or modify it in the least important particular. The apostle Jude affirms as much. He exhorts that we are to “contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.” The words “once delivered” point to a certain and particular time when this faith was delivered to the saints. This time was the apostolic age. By “the faith” he means the gospel of Jesus Christ, called also by him “the common salvation.” By the saints, he must mean the Christians of the early years of the apostolic age. So that, as regards the application of this command to us of the present day, we must understand the Apostle as exhorting us to contend for the gospel as it was left by the apostles in the New Testament Scriptures. The exhortation of the apostle, equivalent with us to a command, confines us to the words of the inspired apostles, and binds us down to the apostolic age. As a people, we so understand the words of Jude. We look only to the writings of the apostles of Jesus Christ, and repudiate all human authority or interference in matters that pertain to our religious faith and practice. The Bible is our only authority, and we reject everything that concerns our faith and practice not sanctioned by the apostles. We stand firmly and immovably on this ground. It is our glory or our shame, our strength or our weakness. We stand or fall here. We believe and maintain that the religion of Jesus Christ was finished, completed, and stereotyped by the apostles, and in their day. We believe that the Christian Scriptures contain all that God has seen proper to reveal, and all that man’s [349] condition under sin in every age of the world needs or requires. We do not believe that God has, since the death of the last inspired man, uttered one word, or that he will utter another, in addition to what he spoke by the inspired men of the New Testament. We are not ashamed to acknowledge the supreme authority of the apostles of Jesus Christ, and to bind our consciences by their word. We recognize them as possessing vital and supreme authority, and deny that their word is susceptible of either addition, improvement, or abridgment on the part of men.

This position necessarily compels us to reject all human interference or authority in matters pertaining to our religious faith and practice. We have placed ourselves among the apostles, and fear to come one century this side of their day, lest we also be overtaken and finally overwhelmed by corruptions, which men began so early to introduce into the apostolic faith and practice. So soon as the inspired men had passed away, “the iniquity” which began to work in the days of the apostles was not long in developing itself. When the restraint of the presence of the apostles was removed, it felt that its time had come, and began to exhibit those principles and characteristics which appear so conspicuous in the papacy. The sources of the innovations and corruptions, which eventually deluged the church and obscured the faith and practice of the apostolic church, were the various systems of pagan philosophy, Jewish tradition and the Jewish religion, in which men supposed they saw more beautiful and rational expositions of the Christian philosophy, and more powerful, appropriate, and attractive means of recommending the gospel to an ungodly world, and of smoothing and softening its offensive plainness and simplicity.

Innovations and corruptions have been introduced into the church at such an early day in its history, it is not safe to stop this side of the days of its purity in determining what God requires of us. For this reason we have determined to get behind all corruptions and innovations by ascending the stream to its fountain, and placing ourselves among the apostles and in the apostolic church. Standing here, we say to the world that we know nothing but what we find in the writings of the apostles and in the practice of the primitive or apostolic church. We pronounce these all-sufficient for every purpose relating to our religious faith and practice. The revelation of God contains all that we need or require to know of our relations, duties, and responsibilities to God and to the great Head of the church. We confine ourselves to the narrow limits of the apostolic writings and to the practice of the apostolic church, believing it to be our only safety against similar or other corruptions which bring defilement and ruin on the church.

If this step is to be considered shameful and degrading, as ignoring [350] or disregarding that spirit of progress which has done so much, and which will yet do much, for the advancement and improvement of the race in all the human elements and instrumentalities of civilization, we can not help it. We know it is not. We know that it is not only honorable and ennobling, but imperiously necessary. And more than this, that it is demanded of us by God, leaving us no discretion, because he allows no interference on the part of either angels or men in anything that he has commanded or ordained.* [Gal. i., 8,9.] We believe the step to have been wise and judicious, and our only protection against an influx of errors, and we do not intend to recede from it. We must not allow ourselves to be disturbed in our convictions, or led into dangerous paths by this deceptive plea of progress. It has already done a vast amount of mischief. It has destroyed the religion of many a man, and we must be on our guard lest it destroy us. We must make necessary and proper discriminations. We must remember that progress is a word not applicable to the religion of Jesus Christ. It was stereotyped by the Holy Spirit in the persons of the apostles, and is not, consequently, susceptible of progress. How irrational and foolish, then, to apply words to the revelation of God which can be properly applied only to human art, science, or politics.

Had men been content with the ordinances of God, and the provisions which he instituted for the advancement and preservation of his cause on the earth, the great apostasy would never have occurred to disgrace the religion of Jesus Christ. And had the Protestants of the sixteenth century taken our ground and adopted our principles of going back to the apostles, and contending for nothing but the faith and practice of the apostolic church, the church would have been spared its present unhappy division, the one great cause of modern infidelity. Hence, if we would preserve the unity of the church, and keep out corruptions and innovations of every kind, we must confine ourselves to the teachings of the apostles, and to the practice of the apostolic church. We are driven to this position and confined to it by the highest considerations for the interests of the church and the most inexorable logic.

This step is the distinctive feature of our reformatory movement, our power and glory, and our only hope of success; the only means and way by which the world can be converted to Christ, and the church preserved from corruptions with which human ambition and pride have flooded it in days gone by. It was a grand and mighty conception, a sweeping generalization, that carried us, at one bound, over the heads of eighteen centuries, and placed us behind all the corruptions and causes of divisions which now defile and distract the church. It evinces a grasp of mind at once grand and wonderful. It [351] develops a logic that strikes at the root of all error and corruption; that undermines their foundation; and cuts down at one blow the great apostasy and all its fruit. This work alone is sufficient to immortalize the name of Alexander Campbell, and assure his fame to the latest generation. Had he done no more than give existence to this logic, and to set on foot this movement, the world would still have been greatly blessed by his life; for it is a step whose logic sweeps from the church all error and corruption, all human interference with its faith and practice; and carries us back once and forever to the apostles, and there confines us. The ax which the Baptist laid at “the root of the trees” was not more destructive of the claims and pretensions of the Jews than is this step destructive of the errors and corruptions of the church at the present day. Our movement, therefore, is similar to that of the Harbinger, and consequently sanctioned by the highest authority in the universe and the soundest wisdom. We need not, therefore, be ashamed of this character of our movement. There is no ground between this and spiritualism but Popery, so that we must hold to the apostles, or, cutting loose from them, sail out into the boundless ocean of spiritualism, or fret and fritter away life in the lifeless forms and ceremonies of Romanism.

The position which this procedure gives us before the world, and the principle which underlies it, are no longer with us a subject for doubt or dispute. These are now settled and established. The principle on which we are proceeding is now as fixed, immovable, and unchangeable as an axiom of mathematics. To entertain a doubt of its wisdom and necessity is to let the world go back again to the darkness and confusion of the papacy. To doubt or reject this position and principle is to destroy all that has been done, and leave the religion of Jesus at the mercy of men. To doubt or reject these is to sweep the religion the religion of Jesus from the earth, and leave the world nothing but a mangled, bleeding corpse. To doubt or reject these is to destroy even an apostate church from the earth, and leave scarcely a vestige of the religion of Jesus in the world. Christ and his apostles must reign supreme and dictate to the world, or mankind must be left to the guidance of human reason; and then revelation, authoritative and final, will be spurned from the earth; then spiritualism will reign with undisputed sway. He, therefore, who discards the position we now occupy, and rejects the principle on which we are proceeding, which is the life and salvation of the church, gathers not with Christ.

The great leader in the present reformatory movement saw the logic of his proposed step, and though it seemed to annihilate his religious being, yet he did not falter or stagger. He was fully persuaded of its wisdom, necessity, and efficacy, and he took his stand deliberately and resolutely. With one effort, all human creeds and [352] human dictation in all matters pertaining to man’s religious faith and practice were rejected, and the Bible taken up and held up as the only authority worthy of our submission and binding on the conscience.

To give form and body to this principle, and make this step practical, and confine it within proper and necessary limits, it was wisely determined that for all matters demanded of and enjoined on men we should have the sanction and authority of a “Thus saith the Lord.” This limitation is necessary to save the principle from a too sweeping application. The principle must apply to and include nothing but those things which relate to our religious faith and practice—to those matters which belong to worship. As to matters which are evidently and confessedly within the limits of and belong to the domain of human reason and wisdom; as to matters which pertain to social, provincial, or national customs and habits, “which perish with the using,” these are no more to be included as governed by this principle than are the various forms of civil government. We must, therefore, observe some necessary distinctions and limitations in the application of this great and important principle.

Then is another important and necessary distinction to be made, if we would convince the world of the corruptions of the apostasy and preserve ourselves from a similar fate. This distinction has reference to the source whence our faith and practice are derived. This source is the New Testament—not the Jewish Institution. The Old Testament may be suggestive and corroborative, but it is not authoritative. It has been superseded by the New, just as the Jewish religion has been superseded by the Christian. The supersession is based on many reasons, an important one of which is the essential difference in their genius and nature. Because a distinction has not been made just here, the church has been oppressed for centuries with Jewish notions and practices. From Judaism the apostate church has derived infant membership; Jewish ceremonies of burning incense, of priestly robes, and its ritual service. Growing up into power and influence under the influx of corruptions and innovations of the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, the Roman Catholic Church has many things in its faith and practice of Jewish and Pagan origin. Its ritual service is mostly Jewish, and it worship of saints and images is Pagan, borrowed from the hero worship of Greece and Rome. Protestantism has taken its chief corner-stone—infant membership—from Judaism; and that moral excrescence on our body politic—Mormonism—goes to David and Solomon for its polygamy.

These corruptions, and especially the reasoning which has given them existence, ought to show us the importance, and indeed the imperative necessity, of making legitimate and proper distinctions, and to put us on our guard against false analogies and accidental resemblances. [353]

On our principles the New Testament and the practice of the apostolic church can be our only guides and authorities on all subjects that concern our religious faith and practice. When the Scriptures are only didactic and allusory, the principle may be applied and the allusion verified and made clear, by a reference to the practice of the apostolic church, as this is gathered from the Scriptures and contemporary history. In this way many disputed points may be settled, and many corruptions and innovations exposed. There was, for instance, no worship of saints or of images in the apostolic church, nor any ritual or liturgical service. Neither was there such a thing an infant membership. There were no popes, nor cardinals, nor archbishops, nor prelates; no such thing as Roman or English episcopacy; no such forms of church government as those represented by Presbyterianism and Methodism. Nothing was known in the days of the apostles but the Church of Christ, with its plain and simple worship and government. The modern machinery of councils, assemblies, synods, presbyteries, and conferences is not to be found in the New Testament, or in the practice of the apostolic church. This fact settles their fate, disposes of their authority, and deprives them of all vitality. It is a sweeping and merciless logic that thus destroys, at one blow, the labor and work of centuries; the inventions and appliances of great but mistaken men. But this is the vital and essential nature of truth. Light is not more destructive of darkness than is truth of error. It would be no longer truth if it were not thus merciless and destructive. Shall we shrink from it because of these inherent qualities? Never.

We occupy a strong position; we wield a mighty and sweeping principle. It is a sharp two-edged sword. It disarticulates the most difficult joints and dissects the minutest structures. It cuts down every hill and fills up every valley. It pulls down the strongholds of error and builds up those of truth. It is just as powerful in preserving as in destroying, and just as necessary and important. While it sweeps every obstruction from before us, it is just as potent to preserve us. It first redeems and then preserves. This is the essential nature and quality of the religion of Jesus; and so long as we adhere strictly to it, we will escape the corruptions of a degenerate church, and be what Christ designed his church to be—the LIGHT of the world. The sun derives no light from earth; neither does the church, which Jesus redeemed, derive any light from this world. Its light must shine, or the world will be in darkness.

I have said that, in determining the practices of the apostolic church, we must consult Jewish history as well as the Christian Scriptures. This necessity arises from the fact that the Scriptures on certain subjects are merely didactic and allusory. This results from the fact that the subjects were familiar to the readers. For [354] instance, the Scriptures are not full and explicit on the worship and government of the church. Yet these subjects were well understood in the days of the apostles; and when they were spoken of, but little more was necessary than a mere allusion. Hence the obscurity of the Scriptures on certain subjects to the modern reader. But these allusions can be verified and the obscurities cleared up by reference to external history, and this Jewish history. Such a reference is legitimate and necessary, because our religion originated among the Jews. The Lord and his apostles were Jews, educated under Jewish notions and customs. The converts for eight years were Jews; the majority in every church were Jews. The leading men and officers of the church were Jews, so that we need not be surprised to find that the Christian church was modeled after the Jewish synagogue. It was in the synagogues of the Jews that Christ and his apostles first preached the gospel; it was here they found hearers, and here where Christianity first got a foothold. For these reasons it is necessary and proper to have recourse to Jewish history in certain cases, in order to verify allusions in the Scriptures and clear up obscurities.

As it regards the worship and government of the apostolic church, two very important subjects, in reference to which many corruptions still exist and act as causes of divisions; we must have recourse to Jewish history, and, guided by the divine record, seek a solution of our difficulties on these subjects; and since the church was modeled after the synagogue in its worship and government, it is not only highly advantageous, but important and necessary to consult Jewish history to obtain a clear and full knowledge on these subjects.

As it regards worship, there were two kinds or forms under the Jewish institution. These were too distinct to be confounded. The one was instituted and regulated by statutory law; the other grew out of the wants of the people, and was only an extension of the family worship of the patriarchal age. No provision was made for this kind or form of worship in the law; no mention is made of it in the law, which fact shows that it constituted no part of the Jewish institution.

The first of these kinds of worship was the public worship of the tabernacle and temple. It was national in its character; not social or devotional, and consisted of sacrifices, ordinances, rites, and ceremonies conducted by a legally ordained priesthood prescribed by the law. These priests were the only persons permitted by the law to take part in this worship, and they all belonged to one tribe. The women of all the tribes were cut off from this worship, even though inspired, so that this worship was peculiar in every respect.

With this form of worship nothing could have been in greater contrast than that of the synagogue. Here the men and women of all tribes could meet and worship; here there were no distinctions made [355] in regard to any state or condition of society; here there was only spiritual or devotional worship, a worship of the heart, and not one of symbols, rites, and ceremonies. In this worship there was no sacrifice of animals, no rites and ceremonies, no burning of incense, no priestly robes, no mitred priest, with his breastplate and urim and thumin; nothing was found in the synagogue that pertained to the temple, because disallowed. It was devotional worship of the people, and not the symbolic worship of specially ordained priests and legally appointed sacrifices, rites, and ceremonies. It was grounded on piety, and came from the heart, and not on symbols and external ordinances. It consisted of praise, thanksgiving, and prayer, and was more precious in the sight of God than all burnt-offerings. Here the contrite heart prayed, and the soul, joyous and thankful, sang psalms and hymns, and spiritual songs, and made melody in the heart. Here none were acceptable worshipers but those whose hands were clean, whose hearts were pure, and whose souls were not lifted up with vanity and pride. Synagogues were consequently found wherever there were pious Jews.

In striking contrast with this was the worship of the temple at Jerusalem, where worship was offered for the whole nation. After the building of the temple, the national worship was allowed only at Jerusalem. Here the priests resided; here morning and evening sacrifices were daily offered. The services could be discharged as well by wicked as by godly priests. Moral character was not an element of the Jewish priesthood or the temple worshiper. He had only to serve according to the law, and the worship was genuine and acceptable, whether the offerer were a saint or a sinner in character. It was a legal worship, and not spiritual.

On certain great occasions, certain grand convocations of the people, the great mass of the people repaired to Jerusalem to take part in the worship of these occasions. Worship at these times consisted of one continual round of sacrifices at the brazen altar and in the sanctuary on the part of the priests, and on the part of the people in feasting, singing, dancing, and music on cornet, timbrel, and harp, the sound of trumpets and cymbals, and the general rejoicings of the whole people. All these things contrasted sharply with what transpired in the synagogue on the Sabbath days. The two kinds of worship were as distinct as flesh and spirit.

These two kinds of worship have their representatives under the Christian system. The synagogue has passed into the Christian church, and the temple worship found its end and fulfillment in the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, and his coronation as King and High-Priest in the heavens. Under his reign there is his synagogue or congregational worship on the earth, and, in the heavens, that part of the temple worship which consisted of praises, thanksgivings, [356] and rejoicings, where the saints, gathered out of all the nations of the earth, constitute the one great family or people of God; and the worship coming up as from one great nation, the symbols of the national worship of the Jews are used to describe it.

The national or temple worship perished with the destruction of the Jewish metropolis by Titus. Being wholly national, it perished with the nation. Not a vestige remains. It served until the substance appeared; and since the day of Christ’s coronation, the temple worship has not ascended one inch toward heaven. All that now remains to the Jews is their synagogue. They have been stripped of all their ancient grandeur and glory. They are a people “scattered and peeled,” and even their synagogue has been merged and lost in the church.

The temple worship was in perfect consonance, with the genius, nature, and purpose of the Jewish institution. It was a system of external rites and ceremonies, whose only value was their symbolic character, and whose only purity that of the flesh, and only holiness ceremonial. It had no reference to the spirit—was not designed to reach the heart—and looked only to the purification of the flesh.

The synagogue worship was the opposite of this in every essential particular—spiritual in its nature and devotional in its character. It was only in the synagogue that spiritual worship was ever seen while the “first tabernacle was yet standing.” It was in the synagogue that Jesus worshiped—never in the temple; it was here that the first Christians worshiped God through Christ. The worship of the synagogue, therefore, was adapted to the spiritual worship of the church. The church, accordingly, was modeled after the synagogue. This being so, we will learn much of the worship of the apostolic church, by learning what was the worship of the synagogue.

This worship was simple in the extreme. It was adapted to every capacity, and was sufficient for the wants of all. All spiritual worship is plain and simple, and within the reach of all. It is like the historic style in composition compared with the poetic or symbolic. A religion of symbols is necessarily one of imagery and dress, of grand and imposing ceremonies. But such a religion can do no more than excite wonder, awe, and fear; never can melt the heart to love, and give it the fearless confidence of the child. This fact is fully illustrated in the genius and history of the Jewish and Christian institutions.

The religion of Jesus being wholly spiritual, its worship is also spiritual. There is now no other kind of acceptable worship. He who worships God through Christ must worship him in spirit and in truth, for such only does God now accept.

Spiritual worship is always and necessarily plain and simple. Demanded of every heart, it must be such as every heart can give; it [357] must be within the reach and grasp of the great mass of mankind. Hence, in ordaining the forms and instrumentalities of worship, the Holy Spirit had regard to the condition of man under all circumstances, and in every age of the world, however enlightened, refined, and cultivated the might chance to be.

The Holy Spirit in organizing the Christian church adopted the government of the synagogue, as adapted to and adequate for all the wants and needs of the Christian in all ages and in all countries, whether barbarous, semi-barbarous, or civilized; whether rude or refined. As we find the form or mode of worship portrayed in the Scriptures, and illustrated in the worship of the synagogue, such, we must conclude, it was left by the Holy Spirit; and being left such by him, there is nothing left us but to accept it or reject him. We had as well, then, be ashamed of Christ as the plain and simple worship of the apostolic church. If he ordained it, its simplicity can be no objection. If it suited Christ and his apostles, our refinement can not certainly be offended or shocked at its unpretentious simplicity.

We must never forget that it is not our province to determine what is or what is not acceptable worship. What pleases God should please us. But mankind have never been satisfied with what God has ordained; and it seems the most difficult thing in the world to persuade men to be content with what he has ordained. If he prefers the worship of the heart to all burnt-offerings and sacrifices, why should men object? Or if he suspends the salvation of the race on the obedience of the heart, why should we wish to make anything else, either different or additional, the ground for acceptance with God? What God hath ordained is best, and it is our wisdom and piety to obey without a murmur.

I have now sketched in general outline the ground on which we stand, and stated the principle upon which we are proceeding, and adverted to some of the conclusions to which the logic of this step conducts us. The reasons and considerations which I have here presented are sufficient, I think, to show the wisdom, propriety, and absolute necessity of the step we have taken, and to justify this position and principle in the judgment of every intelligent and unbiased mind.

Regarding, then, the wisdom, propriety, and necessity of the stand we have taken before the world as beyond any successful disturbance or reasonable objection, I proceed to the consideration of the subject which I have immediately in view, and to draw some practical conclusions which bear directly upon our own course of action; and it must not be objected if the logic which has swept away the labor and hopes of great and good men of other days should prove as remorseless when applied to ourselves. Truth is a two-edged sword, and equally destructive of error, whether found in friend or foe. [358]

The subject to which the foregoing remarks are but preliminary and which I design to constitute my premises, is—The use of instrumental music in the church of Christ. With its use and value in other assemblies and for other purposes than that of worship I have no interest or concern whatever. I see no inconsistency in its use by religious parties whose very existence depends on human dictation. Its use by them should be no argument by us. We have proposed to ignore their existence, and can not, therefore, consistently borrow anything from them. I do not say that we can not learn anything from them. On the contrary, we may learn much. Their experience and history serve to show us, and confirm in us, the wisdom and propriety of the course we have marked out for ourselves from the sacred Scriptures. In reference to what the Scriptures teach, we are independent of them; and as to what we desire to know in matters relating to our faith and practice, we propose to consult nothing but the oracles of God. It has been claimed by some that Jesus borrowed some of his moral precepts from the philosophers of Greece and Rome. But this is simply blasphemous. He was independent of all human sources of knowledge. He spoke from heaven. What he has left us is from God; and since all that we have has been given us by God, why should we look to any other source? We must not forget that our religion, and everything connected with it, is divine. We have originated nothing. We must take the church as the apostles left it, or as men have made or shall make it. One of these we must do. Which will we do?

Did the Holy Spirit, then, ordain instrumental music in the church of Christ? Or did he leave it to human wisdom and prudence to determine what shall be the mode of worship so far as regards the singing?

The last of these questions can never be answered in the affirmative. In the absence of certain facts it might be inferred; in their light it may be safely denied. These facts will appear as we proceed.

The first question can be answered in the negative. Instrumental music was not used in the Jewish synagogue; and as the Christian church was modeled after it, it could not have been used in the apostolic church, unless specially ordained. The history of the church develops the fact that it was not used in any Christian assembly for several centuries after the death of the inspired men; consequently it was not ordained by the Holy Spirit in the apostolic church. We can not believe that this was an accidental omission or an oversight. Nor can we believe that he was not fully acquainted with the power and influence of instrumental music over the heart, and knew perfectly well all its advantages in any and every particular, and in any and every age, and whether it was adapted to the spiritual worship of [359] the church. He knew that it had been used in the temple worship, and whether it ought to be ordained in the church. If, then, he did not ordain it in the church, what could have been the reason? If it were not an oversight, it must have been intentionally discarded. But it matters not with us what was the reason. We have the fact, and this, with Christians, should be all-sufficient. The fact, then, that the Holy Spirit did not ordain instrumental music in the apostolic church is an argument conclusive that he did not design that it should be used. This fact should be with us an end of all thought and desire on the subject.

It has, nevertheless, been introduced into the church, and for many centuries it has shown what influence it has on the psalmody of the church. Let us now look into its history and learn what character it has written on the scroll of time. For this purpose I will give an extract from Coleman’s History of the Apostolic and Primitive Church, and one from his Ancient Christianity Exemplified. From the first I quote: “Both the Jews in their temple service and the Greeks in their idol worship were accustomed to sing with the accompaniment of instrumental music. The converts to Christianity, accordingly, must have been familiar with this mode of singing. * But it is generally admitted that the primitive Christians employed no instrumental music in their religious worship. Neither Ambrose, nor Basil, nor Chrysostom, in the noble encomiums which they severally pronounce on music, make any mention of instrumental music.” (p. 130.)

In the apostolic church the music was entirely vocal and congregational. On this subject Chrysostom says: “It was the ancient custom, as it still is with us, for all to come together and unitedly join in singing. The young and the old, the rich and the poor, male and female, bond and free, all join in one song. All worldly distinctions here cease, and the whole congregation forms one general chorus. This interesting part of their worship was conducted in the same simplicity which characterized all of their proceedings. All unitedly sang their familiar psalms and hymns; each was invited at pleasure, and according to his ability, to lead the devotions in a sacred song indited by himself. Such was evidently the custom in the Corinthian Church, and such was still the custom in the age of Tertullian.” These extracts establish the fact that instrumental music was not used in the church as late as A.D. 400, the age of Chrysostom.

This innovation on the worship of the apostolic church, like all other innovations and corruptions, came in gradually. The same author remarks that “an earlier period than the fifth or sixth century can hardly be assigned” as the period of the introduction of instrumental music. “Organs were unknown in the church until the eighth or ninth century.” Previous to that time they had their place [360] in the theatre. They were never regarded with favor in the Eastern Church, and were vehemently opposed in many places in the West. In Scotland no organ is allowed to this very day, except in a few Episcopal churches. In the English Convention, held A.D. 1562, in Queen Elizabeth’s time, for settling the Liturgy, the retaining of the organ was carried by a casting vote.” (p. 376.)

The use of instrumental music in the church from the fifth century to the present day, a period of thirteen hundred years, gives it a history whose light will afford us some insight into its nature, tendency, and effects on the worship of the church, and discover, possibly, the reason why the Holy Spirit did not ordain it as an aid in spiritual worship. In regard to the nature and tendency of instrumental music as developed by its history, the same author says: “The tendency of instrumental music is to secularize the music of the church, and to encourage singing by a choir.” The secularization of the music of the church was effected by the introduction of profane or secular music. On this subject the same author says: “The introduction of profane, secular music into the church was one of the principal means of corrupting the psalmody of the church.” This effect proceeds from the nature of this kind of music. It is “artificial and theatrical in style, having no affinity with the worship of God;” and “when it took the place of those solemn airs which before had inspired the devotions of his people,” congregational music perished. “The music of the theatre was transferred to the church, which accordingly became the scene of theatrical pomp and display, rather than the house of prayer and praise to inspire, by its appropriate and solemn rites, the spiritual worship of God. The consequences of indulging this depraved taste for secular music in the church are exhibited by Neander in the following extract: “We have to regret that, both in the Eastern and Western Church, their sacred music had assumed an artificial and theatrical character, and was so far removed from its original simplicity, that even in the fourth century Abbot Pambo, of Egypt, complained that heathen melodies had been introduced into their church psalmody.” Others, as “Isodorus of Pelusium, complained of the theatrical singing, especially of the women, which, instead of inducing penitence for sin, tended much more to awaken sinful desires.” And Jerome, in remarking on Eph. v., 19, says: “May all hear it who sing in the church—not with the voice, but with the heart, we sing praises to God. Not like the comedians, should they raise their sweet and liquid notes to entertain the assembly with theatrical songs and melodies in the church; but the fear of God, piety, and the knowledge of Scriptures should inspire our songs. Then would not the voices of the singers, but the utterances of the divine word, expel the evil spirit from those who, like Saul, are possessed with one. But, instead of this, that same spirit is invited [361] rather to the possession of those who have converted the house of God into a pagan theatre.”

The nature and tendency of instrumental music, and especially its effect on the worship of the church, are still more fully developed in another evil consequence of its introduction. This consequence is the transference of the singing from the congregation to a selected choir, the music of which, especially when accompanied by instruments, is confessedly beyond the reach of the congregation. On this point I quote: “The practice of sacred music as an ornamental, cultivated art took it yet more completely from the people. It became an art which only a few could learn. The many, instead of uniting their hearts and voices in the songs of Zion, could only sit coldly by as spectators. A promiscuous assembly, very obviously, could not be expected to bear a prominent part in such music.”

Other methods were used with the same object in view. “The clergy eventually claimed the right of performing the sacred music as a privilege exclusively their own;” and “finally, the more effectually to exclude the people, the singing was in Latin.” These later methods have been abandoned in modern times, except the last, which still obtains in some Roman Catholic churches. Instrumental and choir music has been found fully adequate to the object of excluding the people from this part of the worship, and this almost universally obtains.

From these extracts it will be readily seen that one corruption attends or is soon followed by another. The one makes room for or constitutes the precedent for another. Hence the importance and necessity of eternal vigilance.

From Ancient Christianity Exemplified I quote: “The singing was congregational for the first three centuries. The charm of their music was not in the harmony of sweet sounds, but in the melody of the heart. * The singing was gradually drawn from the congregation and confined to a choir, which, in order to limit and confine this part of the worship to the choir, the style of the music was changed, so that the congregation were compelled to remit this part of the worship, and leave it in the hands of trained singers. Church music thus became a refined art of difficult attainment, and limited to the few professed singers. The congregation were, by the exigencies of their condition, excluded from all participation in it. The devotional tendency of sacred music was lost in the artistic style of its profane, secular airs. Thus, like our modern church, the ancient soon impaired the devotional tendency of sacred music by raising it above the congregation and limiting it to the choir, as they did their prayers by restricting them to the cold and formal rehearsal of the prayer book.”

Comment on these extracts is unnecessary. They speak for [362] themselves. It is wonderful how much the modern resembles the ancient; how little instrumental music in the worship of a spiritual religion, as regards its nature and tendency, differs in modern times from what it was in the days of its power and influence, when it developed its true nature and influence on this part of the worship of God. It is another evidence and example of how history repeats itself; how the same principles will ever produce the same results.

History fully establishes the fact that for three centuries instrumental music was not used in the church; and what reason can explain this fact, if not that it was designedly and purposely excluded? It found no foothold in the church until the church had been corrupted in other respects; until men begun to correct the errors and omissions of divine wisdom, to adorn the simplicity of the primitive worship, and to improve on the apostolic teaching; until human reason began to fasten its serpent fangs into the body of Christ. It had its origin in a state of things which gave existence to pedobaptism, and the corruptions which finally developed their legitimate fruits in the papacy.

It is a fact that musical instruments introduce an artistic style of music, far above the reach and capacity of any but amateurs or professional singers. Hence choirs of the present day, like those of former times, are almost universally composed of professional artists, those whose talents entitle them to expect and demand a remuneration for their choir services. They are employed to execute the singing; and it is not strange that they should be more intent on exhibiting their musical powers and artistic taste than on the worship of God. Indeed, worship is rarely, if ever, a concomitant of such music, for choirs are seldom composed of godly persons; and such is the nature and tendency of artistic music, that even if godly persons were to engage in it, they would not long remain so. They could not long resist its effects. Its nature and tendency is to engender pride, vanity, and worldly ambition, and these are passions which the young, who generally compose the choir, can rarely resist.

In many instances the singers are ungodly persons, and many not even professors, and known to be such when employed. The music is all that is sought. The advertisement calls for the best voice; character is never thought of. All this may comport well with a corrupt and apostate church; but to think of such a thing for the church of Christ is really horrible. It is shocking, or ought to be, to the weakest religious sense, to the feeblest conception of the essential nature of Christian worship. It ignores singing as any part of the worship of God, and regards it merely as a musical entertainment. It is not strange, therefore, that instrumental music, and all its concomitants, should be so heartily condemned by the great and good of all parties and of every age. [363]

When sacred music becomes so highly artistic as to suit instruments and choirs, it degenerates into a mere musical entertainment; and such is really its character in churches where instruments and choirs exist. It resembles more the orchestra music of theaters, which is designed to entertain the audience while the curtain is down, than spiritual worship, welling up from the soul in gratitude and praise to the great Fountain of life and blessing; and the congregation has no more to do with the singing of choirs than the audience of the theatre has with the music of the orchestra. It is, therefore, just as reasonable to defend the withholding of the Bible from the people, or the performance of religious worship in a foreign tongue, as to advocate a measure which effectually takes from the congregation all participation in the worship of singing. Who can consistently defend the one and not the other?

Instrumental music is even more objectionable than the use of a foreign tongue in any part of the worship. It has never been known that the ritual service in either the Roman or English church was performed by a man of the world. Wicked and ungodly men may in time have crept into the sacred office, but in every instance they have been recognized by the worshipping assembly as ordained and consecrated persons. But it is a well-known fact that ungodly and worldly men and women have discharged this part of the worship; and worse than this, in some instances, the men have spent the time of preaching in a drinking saloon, while the women have killed the time in gossip or novel reading. This is worse than the ritual service of Romanism.

But it is objected that these things are merely accidental, and not a necessary consequence of the use of instrumental music, and by no means universal. That they are startling I am willing to admit, but that they are merely accidental the history of instrumental music positively denies, and not only denies, but establishes the contrary. It was not an accident that Eve sinned when she listened to the seductive pleas of Satan; it was not an accident that the man had become possessed with a demon when he had swept and garnished his house; it was not an accident when the Jew became contaminated when he touched a dead body; nor is it an accident that the wheat is choked out when tares are sown in equal profusion. Principles possess power and character, and they communicate these to everything into which they are infused. A little leaven leavens the whole mass.

The isolated state of instrumental choirs, their conspicuous position, and especially the expectations that are formed in them, and the requirements made of them, all tend to engender pride, vanity, and worldly ambition, and to banish from the mind and to repress all religious feelings or sentiments in the hearts of the choristers. They are intent alone on executing their part well, that they may elicit the [364] approbation of the audience and the praises of men. What God thinks of their performance does not once disturb their thoughts; the sentiment of worship is a stranger to their hearts; they do not think that they have been praising God.

Still, it is insisted that these dark spots are merely accidents. In reply, I appeal to its history. It has there written its character as a corrupter of God’s spiritual worship, as the destroyer of an ordinance of God, and the author of a spirit inimical to the spirit of Christ. If there be not something inherently vicious and injurious in its use, can any one imagine a reason why the Holy Spirit did not ordain such a powerful and beneficial aid to the human voice as this is claimed to be? We can not say that he was ignorant of these excellencies, or incapable of appreciating fine music; that he was rude, uncultivated, and below the standard of this modern age. And can any one imagine a reason why the ancient church for three centuries did not use instrumental music in worship? They were not ignorant of its use elsewhere, and possibly no less appreciative of its power and benefits than others. Its absence from the beginning could only have been the result of design.

We have now had some insight into its history, in which we have seen something of its nature, tendency, and effects. In this development we have discovered its influence for good or evil; what it is capable of doing in elevating the style and character of church music, and in promoting piety and true spiritual worship. This history is sufficiently full and complete to be satisfactory.

As a people, therefore, pretending before the world to be laboring for the apostolic purity of the church; claiming to have condemned all the corruptions and innovations which now disfigure and defile the church, and who esteem it their honor and glory, as it is, that they have proposed a greater work than that of Luther; that they will be content with nothing less than the faith and practice of the apostolic church, such a people, I take it, can not adopt such an innovation, condemned even by themselves up to the present day, and such and instrument of corrupting and secularizing the church, without blushing at their inconsistency—without being conscious that they have abandoned their original ground and trampled under foot the great principle on which they are proceeding, and placed themselves among those who believe that he religion of Jesus, the gospel of the apostolic days, is too obsolete for the refinements of the present age, and too rude and simple to suit the intelligence and cultivation of modern times.

Standing on the ground and proceeding on the principle so frequently proclaimed before the world, that in all matters of religious faith and practice, the faith and practice of the apostolic church are our only guides and authorities, the introduction of instrumental [365] music into our congregations is simply a logical and moral impossibility. It can not be done without abandoning our ground and giving up our fundamental principle. We are compelled to discard this innovation on primitive practice, or give up all pretension and purpose of prosecuting any further the grand design of our reformatory movement. And if we have been right up to this time, to abandon this ground and principle would be nothing less than apostasy. To this dilemma are we driven by the most remorseless logic and by the highest considerations for honesty and consistency.

With such a history, with such facts and considerations before us, does it not sound strange to hear men say that no principle is involved in the use of instrumental music in Christian worship? Such persons can not surely have examined the subject. They can not have given the subject that consideration which its importance demands. Nor can it be said, with its nature, tendency, and effects before us, that it is a subject of no importance. It is not now a question of mere expediency, one in which no intrinsic character inheres. A tree with such fruit, an instrument with such a history, has a positive character for good or evil. It has passed the stage of experiment; it has passed into history and now possesses a character, and what this character is its history discovers.

But is there no principle involved in a measure with such a history? No principle involved in the use of such a thing with such a nature, tendency, and effects, which has secularized the church, which has destroyed and will ever destroy congregational worship, which engenders pride, vanity, ambition, and worldly- mindedness? No principle involved in a matter, the bare proposal of which excites alarm for the spiritual welfare of the church, that wounds the feelings of a great brotherhood, that mantles the cheek of many great and good among us with shame and mortification, that makes the heart of many bleed for a cause wounded by its friends! Strange, passing strange, that so many whose intelligence and piety can not be questioned, should so vehemently oppose a measure so innocent and beneficent!

Wherever there is a principle involved, there also is Christian morality. The question, therefore, becomes one of Christian morality, because of which he who acts must first examine before he decides.

With the history of this innovation before the mind, love weeps tears of grief at the serious proposal of a thing so prolific of mischief. Is it, then, of love to urge a measure against the deep convictions of almost an entire brotherhood? What is the spirit that would urge a measure against the solemn and affectionate protest of the soundest and best men in our ranks? If this opposition came from ignorant and unreasonable men, the friends of the measure might be excused for any little restiveness or impatience they might manifest under this opposition. But I submit that the opposition is neither ignorant nor [366] unreasonable. They have always been ready to give, and have repeatedly given, the reasons which compel them to resist the introduction of this innovation. I have endeavored to embody these reasons in an argumentative form, that you may know why I feel constrained to resist it. I have spoken the deep convictions of my mind, from the depths of my heart, and because of the profound interest and solicitude I feel for the welfare of this church, for its standing before the world, and especially for its standing before God. I must believe that the reasons and considerations which I have here presented free me from all charge of prejudice. I have not prejudged the question. My convictions are the fruit of testimony, and a part of this testimony I have now submitted for your serious and candid consideration. I do not believe that there is one fact, argument, or plea that can stand before the facts and considerations now submitted. No support can be derived from Jewish sources, from either the temple or synagogue worship. There was no fact or precedent unknown to the Holy Spirit when he ordained the worship of the church; and unless we are prepared to charge him with an oversight, or a thoughtless omission, we must conclude that what was not ordained was what he intentionally designed not to ordain. It is much safer and wiser to take things as the Holy Spirit left them, and attempt no corrections on divine wisdom and ordination.

The great plea for the use of instrumental music, and especially for the organ, is that it improves the singing, and attracts public attention to the gospel. It is a great pity that the Holy Spirit did not know this, or knowing it, did not consider it. If the singing of the church were merely a musical entertainment, a device to attract the attention of the passer-by, like the music at a circus or strawberry festival, there might be some reason or force in the consideration. But, since singing is an act of worship, a devotional service offered to God, and derives all its value and importance from the estimate which he places on it, it is manifestly the suggestion of reason and common sense that our first inquiry and desire should be to know what kind of music is pleasing and acceptable to God, not what will gratify and please the ear and attract the attention of the world. Because it is an act of worship, a thought or a desire not germain to it, is positively forbidden.

It is not denied that choir singing is more elegant and artistic, as these qualities are viewed by professional men, than congregational. But this is not the question. The question for Christians to consider is, Which did God ordain; and what are the effects and influence which an artistic style of music has on this part of the worship, to say nothing of its influence in other directions? Its history establishes the fact that such music destroys the worship ordained by God. The two can not live and flourish together. No fact connected with its history is better established than this. [367]

I can not, therefore, see in all my horizon one fact, argument, reason, or plea, that can justify us in using musical instruments in the worship of the church. It is an innovation on apostolic practice. This can not be controverted. It is such an innovation, too, that prepares the way for other and equally destructive innovations. Such is its history in the past, and such is the complaint made of it at the present day, and this, too, by those who have tried its wonderful advantages. A late Episcopalian paper has the following: “The progress of so-called ritualism among us has been promoted more through the insidious introduction and multiplication of musical performances than through any other means.” This language coming from an Episcopalian is very significant. He seems to think that it was not introduced by the fairest of means, and characterized the choir and instrumental music as a musical performance! This language might be considered offensive coming from any other quarter, but coming from one who has not been an idle spectator, nor ignorant of the drift and tendency of things, it carries with it an authority of more than ordinary weight. Experience with the wise is a good and an effectual teacher. Horace says it is lawful to learn even from an enemy. Let us learn from the experience of others and be content with what God has ordained, and suffer instrumental music and all its concomitants to remain where they were born, and the corruptions of an apostate church.

Dr. Christopher’s Article.—It is with real pleasure that I give this tranquil and excellent article to the readers of the Quarterly. I do not remember to have seen anything better on the topic of which it treats. I deem it simply conclusive against the use of instrumental music in the churches of Christ. In the fear of God I hope all the Disciples will read it.

The question of instrumental music in the churches of Christ involves a great and sacred principle. But for this the subject is not worthy of one thought at the hands of a child of God. That principle is the right of men to introduce innovations into the prescribed worship of God. This right we utterly deny. The advocates of instrumental music affirm it. This makes the issue. As sure as the Bible is a divine book, we are right and they are wrong. Time and facts will prove the truth of this. The churches of Christ will be wrecked the day the adverse side triumphs; and I live in fear that it will do it. Our brethren are now freely introducing melodeons into their Sunday schools. This is but the first step to the act, I fear. As soon as the children of these schools go into the church, in goes the instrument with them. Mark this. [368]

[Volume IV: October, 1867.]
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March 10th, 2006, 12:29 am #49

<FONT SIZE=5>The NIV is put to THE ULTIMATE BIBLE TEST!</font>

Can the NIV pass The Ultimate Bible Test?

The Ultimate Bible Test is a tool that can be used to test the multitude of so-called "modern bibles" that have been so widely circulated throughout the world.

We will put the NIV to the test to see if it can make the statement that "Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh".

Let us see if it can PASS the test!



In the Flesh – <FONT SIZE=5>The Ultimate Bible Test</font>
2Jo 1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Test your “modern bible” (i.e. NIV, NKJV, RSV, LB, NASB…) to see if it was written by the inspiration God (2 Tim. 3:16) or by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”; If we desire to please God we must have the pure Word of God. May the Holy Spirit guide you in all truth. If the words of the “modern bible” that you use were written by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”, then it will not be able to state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” (present tense). Always look for subtle additions, subtractions, and errors that lead to contradictions and confusions. Remember 1Co 14:33, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints and 1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Instructions (Pray for guidance, read the following rules, begin the test strictly applying these rules)
The following 7 Bible verses are found in the King James Translation. Check your “modern bible” for these scriptures and see if the version that you are using can pass the test. The part of the verse that states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” is underlined. Check to see if the scripture in your “modern bible” correctly states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.”(It must show PRESENT tense – it cannot read as PAST tense – it must state “IN THE FLESH” [not in his body; “body” and “flesh” do not have the same meaning]); if it does not state it correctly, it fails the test and cannot be considered (in any way) the pure WORD OF GOD according to 1 Jo 4:3.



Now we will examine each of the 7 verses to see if the NIV can pass the test.

Let us begin:




1. Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:




<B>KJ Translation - Romans 8:3 in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #1 – <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!
NIV - Romans 8:3

So he condemned sin IN SINFUL MAN = …his own Son …condemned sin IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. # 1 – <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: The NIV has changed the told concept of the verse. It is stating that Christ condemned sin IN SINFUL MAN. It does so in order to avoid saying what an antichrist cannot say, and that is that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH.
What is so special about condemning sin in sinful man, we all do that from time to time. IN THE FLESH is defined as: IN PERSON. Again we see the words inspired by a deceiver and an antichrist dance around stating what the King James has no problem stating that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH.
Coincidence you say? What’s the big deal? I believe Satan would have that same response! He wants us to think that this is no big deal, but true seekers of the truth will not fall for that. We know it is a BIG, BIG deal!)</font></b>

2. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



<B>KJ Translation - 1Timothy 3:16

in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJT vs. #2– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!



NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

He appeared in a body = GOD was manifest IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. #2– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: The NIV states: He[c] appeared in a body,[d] and than in footnotes below brings in question whether or not if God himself was the one who was manifest IN THE FLESH. It is also footnotes that IN THE BODY as OR IN THE FLESH. There are at least two problems with doing what the NIV does in this instance:

(1). Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning.

A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A BODY is made of FLESH. FLESH is defined as: the soft tissues primarily muscle and fat, that cover the bones of people and other animals. (According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”.)

(2). FOOTNOTES or NOT the Word of God!

Footnotes are the words of the translator or writer. They are not the inspired words of God. )</font></b>




3. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:



<B>KJ Translation - 1Peter 3:18 Christ …suffered for sins…being put to death in the flesh

in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #3 – <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED



NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

18. Christ died for sins…He was put to death in the body…

IN THE BODY = IN THE FLESH

Results for NIV vs. #3– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning. A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A body is made of flesh. According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”)</font></b>




4. 1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;



<B>KJ Translation - 1Peter 3:16 in the flesh = IN THE FLESH

Results for KJ vs. #4– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!




NIV - 1Timothy 3:16

in his body = IN THE FLESH


Results for NIV vs. #4- <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: Body and Flesh do not have the same meaning. A body has many members such as: arms, legs, head, and so on… A body is made of flesh. According to Encarta Dictionary: English (No. Amer.), the phrase “in the flesh” means: “in person”. Also see notes from #2 above)</font></b>





5. 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:




<B>KJ Translation - 1John 4:2

is come (present tense) = IS COME (present tense)

Results for KJ #5- <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 1John 4:2 states :

Jesus Christ has come in the flesh = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

has come (past tense) = IS COME (present tense)


Results for NIV #5- <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font> (Note: Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, he is not dead. He was received up into glory in the flesh and will return in like manner – Acts 1:11). The word “is” is the third person singular present tense of "be". The word "be" is defined as: to exist; have life or reality; to occupy a position. (The American Heritage Dictionary) The word "has" is defined as: the third person singular of the word “have”. The word “have” is defined as: to be in possesion of; own. The phrase "has come" also implies past tense.) </font></b>


6. 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.




<B>KJ Translation 1Jo 4:3


Jesus Christ is come in the flesh = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh


Results for KJ #6– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 1John 4:3 states:

Jesus = Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

Results for NIV #6– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: the NIV has taken away “Christ is come in the flesh”. The only Word left is the word “Jesus”. God strictly forbids anyone (including NIV scribes) for taking away from his Word. This is again not surprising because a deceiver and an antichrist cannot state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” according to 2JO 1:7.)</font></b>





7. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.




<B>KJ Translation 2Jo 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. = For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Results for KJ #7– <FONT SIZE=3>PASSED!


NIV - 2John 1:7 states:


Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh = For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Results for NIV #7– <FONT SIZE=3>FAILED!</font>

(Note: What exactly does AS COMING mean? Does it mean that will eventually come sooner or later? Jesus Christ IS come! He IS presently reigning as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS!
We must keep in mind that Jesus never died a second death. He was taken up; and a cloud received him out of the apostles site.

<I>AS COMING
does not equal IS COME.</font></b></i>)







<FONT SIZE=3> So we see how the NIV is again using the practice of deception to avoid making the statement that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH!

In all seven verses it dances around making the confession that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

It could not even make that full statement once!

Now the question has to be WHY?

Why is it that the NIV which claims to be the inspired words of God could not confess the statement that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

Why?

Because it is inspired by a deceiver and an antichrist!

The word of God can not lie! 2 John 1:7 tells us how to recognize a spirit of an antichrist and the NIV gives us a prime example of that spirit in action!

You can search the whole book and you will never see the NIV make this statement or confession correctly!

Why?</font>


1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo:4:2: Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo:4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo:4:4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo:4:5: They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo:4:6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


<FONT SIZE=3>God has made a way for us to determine whether or not something is inspired by him. It is up to us to apply his wisdom and his knowledge.

We can choose to be lead by the Holy Spirit or we can choose to continue to use and promote deception.

Choose Jesus</font>


Joh:8:31: Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh:8:32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh:8:36: If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


In Jesus name.






Does your Bible translation(s) pass the test?

The Ultimate Bible Test was written by Nason L. Melton
I am even more amazed at this "test" as I read it months later. The NIV should be considered from Satan because it uses the word "body" instead of "flesh"? What is the body made of again?

And #5 is simply wrong. The Greek word is a participle. Literally it would be "having come", but that doesn't fit as well into English. "Has come" is an accurate translation.
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David Rhoades
David Rhoades

March 10th, 2006, 1:14 am #50

Excuse me "B". Would you mind taking the test for the spirit of the anit-christ.

Can you say "JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH"?
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