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April 16th, 2005, 8:24 pm #21

Yes, I do.

If I had an anti-KJV agenda, I have no doubt I could waste your time with a similar list. One example that comes to mind is the Romans 6:2, which in the KJV begins "God forbid." Neither of those words appear in the Greek. I guess that's O.K., because King James authorized it, not some committee? Was King James a member of the C.O.C.? Surely, you expect to see this great man in heaven, right?

The NIV translators took more liberties than I would have, but I still find value in it. The NASB is a strong translation in my opinion. I think it's naive to assume that any single translation is "authorized" simply because someone decided to write the word "authorized" on the cover nearly 400 years ago (and 1600 years after Jesus walked the earth. Contrary to popular belief, GOD HIMSELF DID NOT PUT THE WORD AUTHORIZED ON THE COVER OF YOUR KJV.

And on the Harper Collins/Zondervan thing...that buyout took place long after these translations were completed. I don't deny the power of Satan in our world, but I think you're stretching a little on that one.

I don't mind the KJV. It's the first version I read from, and I still consult it (and other versions). However, I don't believe it is the only version of value.

Every translation has it's strenghts and weaknesses.
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April 17th, 2005, 8:07 pm #22

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
Re: “B.” [Re: Not So Fast]


You really do need Jesus!



You need to stop believing everything that you hear or read and start praying or seeking the help of the Lord to guide you in a truth seeking mission. You like so many others are spiritually blind and don’t even know it.

Seek God’s wisdom and not man’s wisdom:


1Co:2:4: And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1Co:2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co:2:12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co:2:16: For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.>>>>>>>>>>>>



Give God credit for being able to provide people who speak languages/tongues other than Greek with an accurate translation of His Word. Have faith in God’s abilities. Know that He is able. Will God hold us accountable to obey him if he does not provide us with his pure Word. English is the universal language of world. Do you think that God would fail to supply his word in a pure English translation?

God has and will continue to provide!!!

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Now in reference to:

[If I had an anti-KJV agenda, I have no doubt I could waste your time with a similar list.]

I want you to “waste” my time with your list!

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[One example that comes to mind is the Romans 6:2, which in the KJV begins "God forbid." Neither of those words appear in the Greek. I guess that's O.K., because King James authorized it, not some committee? Was King James a member of the C.O.C.? Surely, you expect to see this great man in heaven, right?]


Prove it!!! Unlike you, I don’t believe every thing I hear or read!

I have faith in God!

Are you trying to imply that God should forbid sin? the Bible says:


Eph:5:6: Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph:5:7: Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph:5:8: For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph:5:9: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph:5:10: Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph:5:11: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph:5:12: For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph:5:13: But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph:5:14: Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph:5:15: See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph:5:16: Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph:5:17: Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.>>>>>>>>>>>
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[I think it's naive to assume that any single translation is "authorized" simply because someone decided to write the word "authorized" on the cover nearly 400 years ago (and 1600 years after Jesus walked the earth. Contrary to popular belief, GOD HIMSELF DID NOT PUT THE WORD AUTHORIZED ON THE COVER OF YOUR KJV.]



It does not matter, let me say it again, IT DOES NOT MATTER what you “think”. Use God’s wisdom and not your own:



Jer:8:9: The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

1Co:1:20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1Co:2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Co:2:6: Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

1Co:2:7: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co:3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.>>>>>>>>>

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I see that you still “think” (by your wisdom) that God or Jesus Christ have to be “Physically” present in order for the translation of the Bible to be guided by the “Spirit of God”. The Word of God states:

Joh:14:17: Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co:2:12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.>>>>>>>>>>>




I don’t know if the translator’s of 1611 were members of the Church of Christ. But I do know that the fruit of their labor is the pure Word of God and hat it has been instrumental in bring English speaking souls to Jesus for the last 400 years myself included.


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[And on the Harper Collins/Zondervan thing...that buyout took place long after these translations were completed. I don't deny the power of Satan in our world, but I think you're stretching a little on that one]


Why would a Company (Harper Collins/Zondervan ) that promotes Satan’s “Satanic bible” be interested in promoting sometime that would aid God in saving souls (ie. NIV, NASB, ect.).

Satan would only be interested in promoting a bible that would be of help to himself.

A bible (NIV, NASB, “modern versions”) that would “subtly” (and unknowingly) lead people to Hell!

That’s what Satan does!

People don’t give Satan enough credit.

He has a lot of experience at what he does.

He has no desire to bring souls to Christ by providing us a pure Word of God and he will never spread God’s True Word.

He will never OWN God's true Word!

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[I don't mind the KJV. It's the first version I read from, and I still consult it (and other versions). However, I don't believe it is the only version of value.]


Well you wrote this earlier in your other message:



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[Generally, the NASB is closer to the Greek than either the KJV or the NIV.]



These are your words.


Why isn’t the “NASB” the first “version” you use???



I also believe that the “modern versions (NIV, NASB, NKJV, and others are very valuable!!

But unfortunately they are only of great value to Satan and his purpose!

That’s why he owns them!

They are his!

They do their job, and they are very effective!

You have proven this point………



Re:


[Every translation has it’s strenghts and weaknesses.]


God’s Word is not weak. Man is weak without God’s true word:

Heb:4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Lu:2:35: (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.>>>>>>>>>



In Jesus name.
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April 18th, 2005, 5:25 pm #23

I'll respond to one item you misunderstood. "It's the first version I read from." Read is supposed to be past tense. (They're spelled the same.) My first Bible was a KJV. I do currently consult that version (among other versions), but it is not the one I take with me on Sundays.


I think if you read through your post, you will find that all the scriptures referring to God's word don't mention a particular version. Although your opinion (one of your favorite phrases) is that those apply to the KJV, it is mine that it applies to God's written word in general. If we were in Mexico, it would apply to the Spanish Bible (which pre-dates the KJV). It certainly didn't apply to the KJV to the people who first wrote the words you quoted, since the KJV was not available until 15 centuries after those people were all dead.

I do not believe that a translation had to be made when Jesus was on the earth for it to be O.K. I never said that, although you have inferred more than once that I did. It would be difficult for a translation to be made while he was on the earth, SINCE THE ORIGINAL HAD NOT EVEN BEEN WRITTEN YET. I do, however, think that it's incredibly naive to think that the KJV is the only version of value or somehow above investigation of the Greek text.


Open your eyes.


"ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thouroughly equipped for every good work." -- II Timothy 3:16-17 (and before you even say it, the word "perfect" in the KJV in verse 17--nowhere to be found in the Greek; and all of the "for"s missing from the NIV--in the Greek text; I'm open minded enough to be bothered by both of those.)
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April 18th, 2005, 6:41 pm #24

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
I am shocked and appalled at the statement I just read. I do not belong to this church but everything I read sounds like this church is doing a great deal of good.

Will any of these points you have hit upon keep us from getting to Heaven? NO! Shame on you!

Maybe you are the one that needs to re-read the Bible. You are too hung up on tradition rather that gospel.

The Church of Christ is dying because of people like you. I suppose you think your type of Church of Christ are the only people that will make it in to Heaven!

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April 21st, 2005, 5:15 am #25

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
The Anvil-1611-God's Word

Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith's door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then, looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.

"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter all these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he, and then, with twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out you know."

And so, thought I, the anvil of God's Word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed-the hammers gone.

Author unknown
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In Reference to: “B.” last response:


[I'll respond to one item you misunderstood. "It's the first version I read from." Read is supposed to be past tense. (They're spelled the same.) My first Bible was a KJV. I do currently consult that version (among other versions), but it is not the one I take with me on Sundays.]


[I do, however, think that it's incredibly naive to think that the KJV is the only version of value or somehow above investigation of the Greek text.]



***You and many, many others hold this view on the use of these “modern versions” but just because a large number of people have a particular view on a subject (especially God’s Word) it doesn’t mean that particular view is correct:


M't:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
M't:7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
M't:7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.>>>>>>>>>>>


***I suggest you do some research on this subject and pray that God will direct your path in order to find the truth about the history of the Bible.

This site has a link to one of the best sources for the history of Bible translations.

http://www.concernedmembers.com/spiritu ... tion.htm#3


It is very detailed and very informative. We should all study as stated in God’s Word:


2Tm:2:14: Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Tm:2:16: But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.>>>>>>>>>>

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In reference to an early response by “B.”:


[And to the other poster, Jesus didn't say anything in the King James Bible. Jesus' words were written down in Greek by the writers of the New Testament.]


(The following passage was taken from the web site – “Can a Translation be Inspired?” www.psalm118.org/158_29.asp)

Which language did the Lord Jesus Christ speak while He was here on earth, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic or a combination of the three? No one knows for sure, but we do know that He spoke to Paul in the Hebrew tongue yet His words were translated into Greek. "And when we were all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul. why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." There then follows another four long verses all spoken in the Hebrew tongue by our Lord, yet none of it is recorded in Hebrew but is translated into another language.
" And that from a child thou hast known the HOLY SCRIPTURES, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:15,16.
It should be noted that Timothy did not have "the originals" yet what he had in his home is referred to as inspired scripture. In fact, in no case of all the references in the New Testament to the Scriptures that people read and believed, is it ever referring to "the originals only".
So when you hear someone tell you with firm conviction: "No translation can be inspired. Only the originals were inspired" you should know that he didn't get this teaching out of the Bible or from God. If a professing Christian chooses not to believe in the possibility of an inspired translation, he does so contrary to many God given examples in the Bible itself.
(THIS IS ONLY A PORTION. Go to this site to get the full passage.)
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[Open your eyes.]


["ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thouroughly equipped for every good work." -- II Timothy 3:16-17 (and before you even say it, the word "perfect" in the KJV in verse 17--nowhere to be found in the Greek; and all of the "for"s missing from the NIV--in the Greek text; I'm open minded enough to be bothered by both of those.)]



***It’s kind of odd hearing someone who is “spiritual blind” tell someone else to;

l‘ Open your eyes’ .]

***I can see why you and others who use these “modern versions” don’t include scriptures in their writings when I take a closer look at the verses from the “NIV” that you have just given. It is just a bunch of confusion!!!

For instance, what does [“God-breathed”] really mean???

Does it mean that all scripture is spoken by God???

Surely it does mean that!!!

Hey, wait a minute, the word “breathe” is defined as “1. unvoiced phonetics pronounced without vibrating the vocal cords” or 2. breathing with a particular type of breathing. {Encartha Dictionary: English (North America)}

So what does this verse mean??? Who Knows???

The “NIV” verses are very confusing!!!

Surely God could not be the author of this confusion right!!! Let’s see what the Bible says about confusion:


1Co:14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


***The verses from the King James Translation are not confusing.

The verses are very clear and accurate:


2Tm:3:15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Tm:3:17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

*** KJ translation states “given by inspiration of God”, now that actually makes sense!!! Thank God!!!

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(From a site on the web - C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\kjv2textus.htm)
If the Bible is indeed preserved and not locked up in the originals, then where is it? If God intended for His people to actually be able to use His Word and proudly proclaim "the law of the LORD is perfect" (Psalm 19:7) then which version is correct? Or are they all correct?
Is there even a difference between the KJV and other versions? The answer is yes. No great study would be needed to come to the conclusion that the KJV is very different from other Bibles (there are literally thousands of differences). There are many instances where words, verses, and even entire portions of Scripture are omitted. Why are these parts of Scripture omitted? Because the translators use a different source. Every version since the KJV has used this different source.
The King James Bible was translated from a group of manuscripts called the Texus Receptus ("TR"). The TR has other names by which it is referred, but the matter at hand is not its name, rather its accuracy. Every other version has been translated from a group of manuscripts called the Minority Text which comes mainly from two old books (called codices). The names of these are the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The Minority Text also has other names, but that's not important for our purposes (some say that the New King James Version comes from the TR - mostly from the people who publish it - but the New King James Version has over 100,000 different words than the KJV and in almost every case they match exactly with the other versions of the Bible).
Where did the translators get this Minority Text? The Codex Vaticanus was found on a shelf in the library of the pope. The Sinaiticus was found in a monastery at the foot of mount Sinai in the garbage can with other papers waiting to be burned. Both were found in the mid-1800s.
So here is the question, did God preserve His Word like He promised in the hands of His people (the KJV) or did His Word rest on the pope's shelf and in a garbage can? If the latter is to be believed, then you must admit that God made His Word disappear for 1500 years! If this were the case, then faith would have disappeared as well.
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 1
For the Bible says that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." If the Word of God was absent, then so was faith. Any student of religious history knows that this was not the case. Faith flourished in the hearts of men despite the Dark Ages and the attacks of Satan. Without the Bible present, there is no faith, without faith God is not pleased.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 2
So would God deprive man of the only thing that lets man please Him?
One might make the argument that the King James was the Word of God for the English speaking people until the newer versions appeared and put the Bible into a more modern form. The only problem with that theory is the fact that, as stated before, the text from which the KJV is translated is different than the text the other versions use. So it's not a matter of translation, but from what the Bible was translated. }
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***If you want to rely on Greek or Hebrew references that should have been left ‘in the trash can’ or one that was found left on the ‘shelf of the pope’ (see about passage) than go right ahead. God gives us the freedom to do foolish things. But remember, God will also hold us accountable for the foolish things that we do unless we repent:
Re:2:15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Re:2:16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Re:2:17: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

***By using (AND/OR PROMOTING THE USE OF ) all these different “MODERN versions” you are in essence serving two ‘Masters’ and this is what the Bible says about doing that:

M't:6:24: No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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***Be very careful how you handle God’s business!

In Jesus’ name.

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April 21st, 2005, 5:20 pm #26

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
Re: Shocked!
[I am shocked and appalled at the statement I just read. I do not belong to this church but everything I read sounds like this church is doing a great deal of good.]


***Just because a Church does some good are even a whole lot of good, it still must obey the Word of God. (The Red Cross “does a lot of good’) Unfortunately ‘doing a lot of good’ want get you into Heaven:


M't:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
M't:7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
M't:7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
M't:7:16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
M't:7:17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
M't:7:18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
M't:7:19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
M't:7:20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
M't:7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
M't:7:22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
M't:7:23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

***I am glad that you were shocked. It is better to be shocked now while there is still warm blood running thru your veins, than to be shocked while standing before the throne of God in the Day of Judgment.
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[Will any of these points you have hit upon keep us from getting to Heaven? NO! Shame on you!]


*** I don’t know which points you are referring to that are not important to salvation, so I’ll just let Jesus Christ speak from God’s Word when he was tempted of the Devil:


Lu:4:4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Maybe you are the one that needs to re-read the Bible. You are too hung up on tradition rather that gospel.]

***I took your suggestion and begin to re-read the bible (again) and came across this:

2Th:3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2Th:3:7: For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2Th:3:8: Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
2Th:3:9: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

***Great suggestion, I recommend it to everyone, including you.

You see you were right; I am hung up on a tradition; The Tradition that was set by the early Christians who were lead by the Holy Spirit; a Tradition that needs no modifications or ‘modern’ day improvements.
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Re:
[The Church of Christ is dying because of people like you. I suppose you think your type of Church of Christ are the only people that will make it in to Heaven!]


***I do not decide who will make it to Heaven. I can only do my part to spread God’s Word. Jesus Christ will decide who enters into Heaven.
If the Church of Christ is having problems (it is not dying) it is not because some Christians are speaking out about a congregation’s wrong doings, it is because of the counterfeit bibles that Satan has flooded it with that cause us to lose faith in the Word of God and follow the traditions of men or create new traditions that are not approved or commanded or instructed by the Word of God:

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Tm:4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Ro:10:17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1Tm:4:7: But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
1Tm:4:8: For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
1Tm:4:9: This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1Tm:4:10: For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Tm:4:11: These things command and teach. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In Jesus’ name.




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April 24th, 2005, 5:00 am #27

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
In The Flesh – <FONT SIZE=5>The Ultimate Bible Test</FONT>
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Test your “modern bible” (i.e. NIV, NKJV, RSV, LB, NASB…) to see if it was written by the inspiration God (2 Tim. 3:16) or by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”; If we desire to please God we must have the pure Word of God. May the Holy Spirit guide you in all truth. If the words of the “modern bible” that you use were written by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”, then it will not be able to state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” (present tense). Always look for subtle additions and subtractions, and errors that lead to contractions and confusions. Remember 1Co 14:33, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints and 1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Instructions (Pray for guidance, read the following rules, begin the test strictly applying these rules)

The following 7 Bible verses are found in the King James Translation. Check your “modern bible” for these scriptures and see if the version that you are using can past the test. The part of the verse that states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” is underlined. Check to see if the scripture in your “modern bible” correctly states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.”(It must show PRESENT tense – it cannot read as PAST tense – it must state “IN THE FLESH” [It can not state in his body; ‘body” and “flesh” do not have the same meaning]); if it does not state it correctly, it fails the test and cannot be considered (in any way) the pure WORD OF GOD according to 1 Jo 4:3.

1. Ro 8:3 -- For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

2. 1Ti 3:16 -- And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

3. 1Pe 3:18 -- For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

4. 1Pe 4:1 -- Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

5. 1Jo 4:2 -- Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

6. 1Jo 4:3 -- And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

7. 2Jo 1:7 -- For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Does your Bible translation(s) past the test?


(Written by Nason Lee Melton by the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ)

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April 25th, 2005, 3:37 am #28

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
In The Flesh – <FONT SIZE=5>The Ultimate Bible Test</FONT>
2Jo 1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Test your “modern bible” (i.e. NIV, NKJV, RSV, LB, NASB…) to see if it was written by the inspiration God (2 Tim. 3:16) or by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”; If we desire to please God we must have the pure Word of God. May the Holy Spirit guide you in all truth. If the words of the “modern bible” that you use were written by the inspiration of “a deceiver and an antichrist”, then it will not be able to state that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” (present tense). Always look for subtle additions, subtractions, and errors that lead to contradictions and confusions. Remember 1Co 14:33, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints and 1Jo:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Instructions (Pray for guidance, read the following rules, begin the test strictly applying these rules)
The following 7 Bible verses are found in the King James Translation. Check your “modern bible” for these scriptures and see if the version that you are using can pass the test. The part of the verse that states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” is underlined. Check to see if the scripture in your “modern bible” correctly states that “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.”(It must show PRESENT tense – it cannot read as PAST tense – it must state “IN THE FLESH” [not in his body; “body” and “flesh” do not have the same meaning]); if it does not state it correctly, it fails the test and cannot be considered (in any way) the pure WORD OF GOD according to 1 Jo 4:3.

1. Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

2. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

3. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

4. 1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

5. 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

6. 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

7. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Does your Bible translation(s) pass the test?


(Written by Nason Lee Melton by the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ)

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Big Mike Lewis
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April 29th, 2005, 11:46 pm #29

Oh brother...your KJV is full of error and bias also...
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May 1st, 2005, 4:10 am #30

Change agents have hit Bammel Church of Christ in Houston, TxThis has been going on for the past 20 + years. I use to attend there but no longer because of this. They have a praise team and the men are having some kind of Power Breakfasts and they hold a mens prayer time in "a COMMUNITY room". They have their "connection groups" meeting in homes on sunday night and throughout the week. They have once a year have a dedication for the new babies in the congregation. They have a woman as a minister to the women. I know there is more. They are starting a bible class teaching from the book "Experiencing God". Only 10 to this class. I was attending there for along time and didn't realize what was going on. They also have a class where they do majority of the time is singing of contemporary songs, and then they have a little time for a very short devotional. This is happening also to Spring Woodlands Church of Christ in the Woodlands, Tx where we use to attend as well. They are fixing to build a 10 million + dollar building up north somewhere. They have their praise teams standing in front of the audience singing their solos and clapping their hands. This freightens me. It is nothing but the devils work. They have had 2 splits that I know of. This is more powering than Jim Jones and his cult. I can't believe how people can be so blind and deaf about what is going on in these churches. They are so wrapped up in being entertained.
Response to: “Big Mike Lewis”

First of all, it is <B>not my KJV. I didn’t write it; I didn't translate it; and I sure don’t own it. Nobody does.


Mike, if you’re going to make a bold statement like this:</B>



[Oh brother...your KJV is full of error and bias also...]



Then you need to <FONT SIZE=3>PROVE</FONT> that the KJ translation is "full of errors", otherwise your statement (opinion) means absolutely nothing!


1Th:5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.>>>>>>>


(By the way, are you calling God Word "bias"?...Well, I guess God has a right to be bias, You know, being God and all...)



By your response I take it that your bible translation failed the test.

If it did fail the test; then do you realize that you are using a bible version that is <B>not
inspired by God? You can choose to continue to use a bible version inspired by an Anti-Christ even after you know the truth, God gives us the freedom to make stupid decisions; but know that God also holds us accountable for the stupid decisions that we make.</B>


Jas:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.>>>>>>>>>


Please don’t be another one of Satan’s helpers. Believe me, he already has enough help!


In Jesus’ name.







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