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April 22nd, 2016, 6:37 am #21

Donnie,

I still use the computers at the Library. The kids still make fun of me and call me names. I sneak and hide and stay at the library most nights.

NIM COM POOT = (NCP)

The good news is NCP is due to rotate very soon. Sarge is on his way in. Two days and a wake-up! See you then!


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sarge,

Now you'll have to explain further. I'm hearing that "nim com poot" is an obsolete version of the Democratic Underground website. Is this true? Careful!!! We know a lot about 'em liberal, progressive, anti-Constitution Democrats. Hopefully, politics and religion don't mix.

I think the kids love you and have fun with you. You also have a good hiding place.[/color]
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April 22nd, 2016, 6:58 am #22

The first post was started by me.
The second post I accidentally put on a different thread, but meant for it to be placed on this one that I had started. I used some of Ken's prior comments, and gave him credit at the bottom of post, hence the message in parenthesis. Next time I will use my own words to replace his comments, any research material that he has I will give him credit. He has given me permission to use any of his work.
The third post was Ken's, based on a conversation that we had via email. Based on prior comments about my personal experiences being posted on this forum, I chose to write to Ken privately. He obviously thought the subject we discussed needed to be posted to this thread. And I agree. The subject matter that was taught in the high school class, left my son with a false impression about the marriage relationship, and how it relates to Our Heavenly Father. We as parents were told the class was something completely different than what was discussed. Yes, this and other incidents have caused a division with my family and I know others are concerned about what is being taught. Who is supposed to keep the wolves out? I don't let them in my home, and I want to feel safe amongst my fellow congregants.

Hope this clears up any confusion. As always Ken has my permission to reveal anything that we talk about if I will help someone else to wake up, and start asking questions.

(Donnie, I don't remember which thread I posted that second comment, but it was meant for this one. This has been a crazy week for me, and that's not the only mistake I've made. I am an amateur posting on forums. Can you tell?)
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Dianna,

Keep up the great work you're doing: CM values your messages. Always feel free to quote from Ken's writings. In many cases Ken has already done the research for us with scriptural support.

Thank you for contributing. You have challenged us with thought-provoking questions and comments.[/color]
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April 22nd, 2016, 7:07 am #23




Can we just move on. TMI.


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The image reminds me of: "... there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (cf. the Gospels). You're right: we need to get back to the original topic of this thread: "Are elders destroying the unity?"[/color]
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April 22nd, 2016, 2:53 pm #24

Dianne thought that this was worthy of a thread. She is going to be a great forum teacher. Maybe someone will giver her an answer. They don't have to give their real name.

DIANNE'S FIRST THREAD as she understands a few points: She will use this and other resources--as we all do.

They missed the point THE FAITH is THE WORD, Logos or The Regulative Principle: it is exclusive of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

-Fluctuo fluctus, to move in the manner of waves, i. e. to wave, rise in waves, undulate, to move to and fro, be driven hither and thither
I. Trop., to be restless, unquiet, uncertain, doubtful; to rage, swell; to waver, hesitate, vacillate, fluctuate, Oratio II. In partic., formal language, artificial discourse,

-Oratio E. A prayer, an address to the Deity (eccl. Lat.): “respice ad orationem servi tui,” Vulg. 3 Reg. 8, 28: “per orationes Dominum rogantes,” id. 2 Macc. 10, 16: “pernoctans in oratione Dei,” id. Luc. 6, 12.—Also absol., prayer, the habit or practice of prayer: “perseverantes in oratione,” Vulg. Act. 1, 14: “orationi instate,” id. Col. 4, 2; cf. Gell. 13, 22,

-cĭto . To put into quick motion, to move or drive violently or rapidly, to hurl, shake, rouse, excite, provoke, incite, stimulate, promote,
Carried About:
Greek Panourgia see more below

Latin:
-Circumfero to bear something or carry around “lyram in conviviis,” Quint. 1, 10, 19
-Lyra , ae, f., = lura,
I. a lute, lyre, a stringed instrument resembling the cithara, fabled to have been invented by Mercury and presented to Apollo, Hyg. Astr. 2, 7: “curvae lyrae parens,” Hor. C. 1, 10, 6: “Threiciam digitis increpuisse lyram,” Ov. H. 3, 118: “mox cecinit laudes prosperiore lyrā,” id. A. A. 3, 50; Val. Fl. 5, 100.—
II. Transf.
A. Lyric poetry, song: “imbellis,” Hor. C. 1, 6, 10: “Aeoliae Lesbis amica lyrae,” Ov. Am. 2, 18, 26; id. P. 3, 3, 45.—
B. In gen., poetic genius: “Inferior lyra,” Stat. Th. 10, 445.—
C. Lyra, the constellation, the Lyre: “exoriente Lyra,” Ov. F. 1, 315; cf. Hyg. Astr. 3, 6; Varr. R. R. 2, 5.

-Con-vīvĭum , ii, n. vivo; lit., I. a living together; hence, a meal in company, a social feast, entertainment, banquet

-Quint. 1, 10, 19 From the importance thus given to music also originated the custom of taking a lyre round the company after dinner, and when on such an occasion Themistocles confessed that he could not play, his education was (to quote the words of Cicero) “regarded as imperfect.”
B. Of a narrative or discourse, to publish abroad, proclaim, divulge, disseminate among the people, report
C. In the lang. of religion, to lustrate, purify any one by carrying around him consecrated objects (torches, offerings, etc.)
D. In rhetoric: “oratio deducta et circumlata,” expanded, drawn out into periods, Quint. 4, 1, 60 Spald.

-Ventus wind 3. Ventis verba dare, i. q. not to keep one's word or promise, Ov. H. 2, 25 Ruhnk.
B. [Plur., personified as deities, the winds: te, Apollo sancte, fer opem; teque, omnipotens Neptune, invoco, fame, applause, Turbo
p. Cic. Tusc. 4, 34, 73 (Com. Rel. v. 119 Rib.); Lucr. 5, 1230 (1228); cf. Ov. H. 17 (18

CHURCH MUST NEVER PERMIT PEOPLE CLAIMING TO NAVIGATE THE WINDS

Dianne made a second thread when she intended to add to the first thread. This was her second thread as she understands the discussion.

Hermes appears to have been the chief of the Cabiri (Roscher, Myth. Lex. 2360); with his cult compare the Gallic (Caesar, B. G. vi. 17; Rhys, Hibbert Lectures, pp. 5-20 and ch. iv) and German (Tac. Germ. 9) worship of Mercurius. The latter, Odin, would seem to be like Hermes a wind god, and this may be true also of the Thracian deity. It seems improbable that the Thracians were content with so small a pantheon.
Mercury or Hermes is KAIROS: the demon spirit son of Zeus

CHURCH MUST EXCLUDE ALL OF THE CUNNING CRAFTSMEN.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying [educating] of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children,
tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Wind of Doctrine

Venio A. In gen.: “vides, quo progrediente oratione venturum me puto,” Cic. Rep. 1, 40, 62.
B. fin. and the passages there cited: “oratorum laus ita ducta ab humili venit ad summum, ut, etc.,”“prava [crooked] ex falsis opinionibus veniunt,” Quint. 5, 10, 34:

Latin săpĭo or Sophos ops voice, whether in speaking, shouting, lamenting or in singing, “Kirkēs .[CHURCH] . aeidousēs opi kalē” Od.10.221, cf. 5.61; “aeidon also of cicadae, “opa leirioessan hieisi” Il.3.152;

eir-ioeis of the cicadae, opa leirioessan their delicate voice, 3.152; of the Muses' voice, [LOCUSTS] Hes.Th.41; “Hesperides” Q.S.2.418 guarded a garden with golden apples,

Hes. Th. 41 So said the ready-voiced daughters of great Zeus, and they plucked and gave [30] me a rod, a shoot of sturdy laurel, a marvellous thing, and breathed into me a divine voice to celebrate things that shall be and things that were aforetime; and they bade me sing of the race of the blessed gods that are eternally, but ever to sing of themselves both first and last.
[35] But why all this about oak or stone? Come you, let us begin with the Muses who gladden the great spirit of their father Zeus in Olympus with their songs, telling of things that are and that shall be and that were aforetime with consenting voice. Unwearying flows the sweet sound [40] from their lips, and the house of their father Zeus the loud-thunderer is glad at the lily-like voice of the goddesses as it spreads abroad, and the peaks of snowy Olympus resound, and the homes of the immortals.

Panourgia (g3834) pan-oorg-ee'-ah; from 3835; adroitness, i.e. (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry: - (cunning) craftiness, subtilty.
-Panourg-êma A. knavish trick, villainy,; sophistry, Gal.5.251; cf. panourgeuma.

Sophos A.skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, mantis” Id.Th.382; “oiōnothetas” mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. as an exclamation of applause

1Cor. 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
seemeth to be wise [sophos] in this world,
let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
For it is written,
He taketh the wise sophia
in their own craftiness. pa^nourg-ia
1Cor. 3:20 And again,
The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, sophōn
that they are vain. matai-os
Eph. 4:15 But speaking [opposite ODE] the truth in love,
may grow up into into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph. 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Dianne is a NAVIGATOR and she found A Survey of the Old Testament Which I thought I had lost when my computer crashed. They were in WORD format and I have found them and will put them into HTML.

UNITY


1.
the state of being one; oneness.
2.
a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one.
3.
the state or fact of being united or combined into one, as of the parts of a whole; unification.
4.
absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
5.
oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement.


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April 22nd, 2016, 3:20 pm #25

Dianne thought that this was worthy of a thread. She is going to be a great forum teacher. Maybe someone will giver her an answer. They don't have to give their real name.

DIANNE'S FIRST THREAD as she understands a few points: She will use this and other resources--as we all do.

They missed the point THE FAITH is THE WORD, Logos or The Regulative Principle: it is exclusive of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

-Fluctuo fluctus, to move in the manner of waves, i. e. to wave, rise in waves, undulate, to move to and fro, be driven hither and thither
I. Trop., to be restless, unquiet, uncertain, doubtful; to rage, swell; to waver, hesitate, vacillate, fluctuate, Oratio II. In partic., formal language, artificial discourse,

-Oratio E. A prayer, an address to the Deity (eccl. Lat.): “respice ad orationem servi tui,” Vulg. 3 Reg. 8, 28: “per orationes Dominum rogantes,” id. 2 Macc. 10, 16: “pernoctans in oratione Dei,” id. Luc. 6, 12.—Also absol., prayer, the habit or practice of prayer: “perseverantes in oratione,” Vulg. Act. 1, 14: “orationi instate,” id. Col. 4, 2; cf. Gell. 13, 22,

-cĭto . To put into quick motion, to move or drive violently or rapidly, to hurl, shake, rouse, excite, provoke, incite, stimulate, promote,
Carried About:
Greek Panourgia see more below

Latin:
-Circumfero to bear something or carry around “lyram in conviviis,” Quint. 1, 10, 19
-Lyra , ae, f., = lura,
I. a lute, lyre, a stringed instrument resembling the cithara, fabled to have been invented by Mercury and presented to Apollo, Hyg. Astr. 2, 7: “curvae lyrae parens,” Hor. C. 1, 10, 6: “Threiciam digitis increpuisse lyram,” Ov. H. 3, 118: “mox cecinit laudes prosperiore lyrā,” id. A. A. 3, 50; Val. Fl. 5, 100.—
II. Transf.
A. Lyric poetry, song: “imbellis,” Hor. C. 1, 6, 10: “Aeoliae Lesbis amica lyrae,” Ov. Am. 2, 18, 26; id. P. 3, 3, 45.—
B. In gen., poetic genius: “Inferior lyra,” Stat. Th. 10, 445.—
C. Lyra, the constellation, the Lyre: “exoriente Lyra,” Ov. F. 1, 315; cf. Hyg. Astr. 3, 6; Varr. R. R. 2, 5.

-Con-vīvĭum , ii, n. vivo; lit., I. a living together; hence, a meal in company, a social feast, entertainment, banquet

-Quint. 1, 10, 19 From the importance thus given to music also originated the custom of taking a lyre round the company after dinner, and when on such an occasion Themistocles confessed that he could not play, his education was (to quote the words of Cicero) “regarded as imperfect.”
B. Of a narrative or discourse, to publish abroad, proclaim, divulge, disseminate among the people, report
C. In the lang. of religion, to lustrate, purify any one by carrying around him consecrated objects (torches, offerings, etc.)
D. In rhetoric: “oratio deducta et circumlata,” expanded, drawn out into periods, Quint. 4, 1, 60 Spald.

-Ventus wind 3. Ventis verba dare, i. q. not to keep one's word or promise, Ov. H. 2, 25 Ruhnk.
B. [Plur., personified as deities, the winds: te, Apollo sancte, fer opem; teque, omnipotens Neptune, invoco, fame, applause, Turbo
p. Cic. Tusc. 4, 34, 73 (Com. Rel. v. 119 Rib.); Lucr. 5, 1230 (1228); cf. Ov. H. 17 (18

CHURCH MUST NEVER PERMIT PEOPLE CLAIMING TO NAVIGATE THE WINDS

Dianne made a second thread when she intended to add to the first thread. This was her second thread as she understands the discussion.

Hermes appears to have been the chief of the Cabiri (Roscher, Myth. Lex. 2360); with his cult compare the Gallic (Caesar, B. G. vi. 17; Rhys, Hibbert Lectures, pp. 5-20 and ch. iv) and German (Tac. Germ. 9) worship of Mercurius. The latter, Odin, would seem to be like Hermes a wind god, and this may be true also of the Thracian deity. It seems improbable that the Thracians were content with so small a pantheon.
Mercury or Hermes is KAIROS: the demon spirit son of Zeus

CHURCH MUST EXCLUDE ALL OF THE CUNNING CRAFTSMEN.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying [educating] of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children,
tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Wind of Doctrine

Venio A. In gen.: “vides, quo progrediente oratione venturum me puto,” Cic. Rep. 1, 40, 62.
B. fin. and the passages there cited: “oratorum laus ita ducta ab humili venit ad summum, ut, etc.,”“prava [crooked] ex falsis opinionibus veniunt,” Quint. 5, 10, 34:

Latin săpĭo or Sophos ops voice, whether in speaking, shouting, lamenting or in singing, “Kirkēs .[CHURCH] . aeidousēs opi kalē” Od.10.221, cf. 5.61; “aeidon also of cicadae, “opa leirioessan hieisi” Il.3.152;

eir-ioeis of the cicadae, opa leirioessan their delicate voice, 3.152; of the Muses' voice, [LOCUSTS] Hes.Th.41; “Hesperides” Q.S.2.418 guarded a garden with golden apples,

Hes. Th. 41 So said the ready-voiced daughters of great Zeus, and they plucked and gave [30] me a rod, a shoot of sturdy laurel, a marvellous thing, and breathed into me a divine voice to celebrate things that shall be and things that were aforetime; and they bade me sing of the race of the blessed gods that are eternally, but ever to sing of themselves both first and last.
[35] But why all this about oak or stone? Come you, let us begin with the Muses who gladden the great spirit of their father Zeus in Olympus with their songs, telling of things that are and that shall be and that were aforetime with consenting voice. Unwearying flows the sweet sound [40] from their lips, and the house of their father Zeus the loud-thunderer is glad at the lily-like voice of the goddesses as it spreads abroad, and the peaks of snowy Olympus resound, and the homes of the immortals.

Panourgia (g3834) pan-oorg-ee'-ah; from 3835; adroitness, i.e. (in a bad sense) trickery or sophistry: - (cunning) craftiness, subtilty.
-Panourg-êma A. knavish trick, villainy,; sophistry, Gal.5.251; cf. panourgeuma.

Sophos A.skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, mantis” Id.Th.382; “oiōnothetas” mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. as an exclamation of applause

1Cor. 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
seemeth to be wise [sophos] in this world,
let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
For it is written,
He taketh the wise sophia
in their own craftiness. pa^nourg-ia
1Cor. 3:20 And again,
The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, sophōn
that they are vain. matai-os
Eph. 4:15 But speaking [opposite ODE] the truth in love,
may grow up into into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph. 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Dianne is a NAVIGATOR and she found A Survey of the Old Testament Which I thought I had lost when my computer crashed. They were in WORD format and I have found them and will put them into HTML.
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April 22nd, 2016, 3:45 pm #26



By Wayne Jackson

Why Do Some Resist Local Membership?

Occasionally there are those who are not affiliated with any local group of saints.There may be, under unusual circumstances, some rationale for this. Frequently there is not.

(1) It may be the case that a Christian has moved into an area where there is no local congregation of the Lord’s people.In that event, where such is feasible, he may need to drive to a city of reasonable proximity where he is able to locate a good church.

If one is not able to pursue that procedure, he should worship on the Lord’s day in his home, and then seek to win others to the truth, thus establishing a new church in his town as soon as is possible.The same plan may have to be initiated if there is no faithful church nearby, i.e., one with whom he can worship and work conscientiously.

(2) Unfortunately, it is not uncommon to find maverick disciples who simply do not wish to identify with any local church. Reasons for this neglect may be varied.

Some folks are so inflexibly opinionated that they cannot tolerate being in proximity with any Christian who does not yield to their every dictum. Leave such to themselves; it is better that they are isolated.

Not infrequently is the reality that some do not wish to be held responsible for their conduct. They desire to come and go at will. They do not want to be accountable for faithful attendance, consistent giving, or any other responsibility. The do not intend to have their lifestyle monitored.They repudiate the idea that they should be under the oversight of elders.

In a word, they want the “name” of being a Christian, but without the commitment that goes with such. And perhaps most of all, they do not intend to be in an environment where they might be subject to the discipline of the local congregation.

Such folks may entertain the illusion that they are serving God; they are not, however. Such ones have failed to comprehend one of the most fundamental aspects of Christian service.


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April 22nd, 2016, 3:54 pm #27

Ken, COPY and PASTE is great! Don't you think so?
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April 22nd, 2016, 4:03 pm #28

Everything I know I copied from someone else including "Let me sing my Aaaa Bee Cees."

I may have about the best collection of Clay Tablets annotated and some connected to the Bible. I lifted them all from Oxfort University. They have a color coded with scholarly notes. They gave me permission to post with attribution.

I try never to quote a historic person without posting a link to the original source: no one among the scholars have ever read original sources and tend to lie about them because they had to ditto head the professors textbook for which you paid $200.00.

I claim a special skill defined as A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or a CO-perception of the Word. God lets me read BLACK text on BROWN paper. For a quarter of a million dollars you can get that skill shock-treated out.
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April 22nd, 2016, 7:23 pm #29

Acts 5:29 (KJV)
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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April 23rd, 2016, 1:17 am #30



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