Apostle Paul's Salutations: "Third Person" Holy Spirit Is Missing

Bill
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August 11th, 2013, 10:54 pm #31

I am interested in how far Donnie will venture with this Baptist style of argument. (Opps, did I say that? ) Donnie knows full well that ALL the scripture on the Holy Spirit must be considered.
BTW, what exactly is the "Baptist style" of argument?

Perhaps this is an example: Baptists "argue" that, even though Jesus links baptism with faith for salvation in the first half of Mark 16:16, Jesus omits baptism in the second half of that verse. So the Baptists ignore the first half of the verse and focus on the second half and say that baptism is not essential for salvation.

Does the "Baptist style" of argument involve focusing on those portions of verses that satisfy a particular desire or point while ignoring all other verses that may show contradiction?
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August 11th, 2013, 11:21 pm #32

You cannot use Paul's salutations as Scripture for deciding whether or not the Holy Spirit is a "person," because Paul's salutations say NOTHING about the Holy Spirit one way or another.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]You are missing your own point.

The salutations "say NOTHING about the Holy Spirit one way or another." You are correct!!!

Because you are correct, you do not have the authority to assume that the Holy Spirit should have been included in the salutation.

At this juncture, whether or not the Holy Spirit is a person is not to be considered first.

The primary consideration is the truth that Paul did not include the Holy Spirit in the salutation WHILE he intentionally addressed: (1) God the Father and (2) His Son, Jesus Christ.[/color]
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August 11th, 2013, 11:33 pm #33

BTW, what exactly is the "Baptist style" of argument?

Perhaps this is an example: Baptists "argue" that, even though Jesus links baptism with faith for salvation in the first half of Mark 16:16, Jesus omits baptism in the second half of that verse. So the Baptists ignore the first half of the verse and focus on the second half and say that baptism is not essential for salvation.

Does the "Baptist style" of argument involve focusing on those portions of verses that satisfy a particular desire or point while ignoring all other verses that may show contradiction?
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, the salutations are not parallel to Mark 16:16. NOT AT ALL!!!

The "and" in the salutations refers to: (1) God the Father "and" (2) His Son, Jesus Christ the Lord. There is no "but" in those addresses.

The salutations do not have another clause similar to "but he that believeth not [without being baptized] shall be condemned."

The salutations are straightforward -- no "ifs" and no "buts."[/color]
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August 11th, 2013, 11:35 pm #34

According to Donnie, "Paul and the other apostles/writers do not mention 'the Holy Spirit' [in their salutations]. This absence suggests that Paul and the others did not regard the Holy Spirit as a person." Actually, one apostle DOES mention the Holy Spirit in his salutation.

But first, let's examine the "opposite end" of Donnie's reasoning. If an apostle mentions the Holy Spirit in any of his salutations, it would suggest that apostle regarded the Holy Spirit as a person. Now observe the complete salutation to Peter's first epistle:

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied" (1 Peter 1:1-2 KJV).

Whereas Paul does not mention the Holy Spirit in his salutations, Peter DOES mention the [Holy] Spirit in the salutation to his first epistle. Does that REALLY mean Peter regards the Holy Spirit as a "person" but Paul does not? Anything we say about that, one way or another, would be pure conjecture; it would simply be our personal opinion, based on our bias about whether or not we regard the Holy Spirit as a "person." Therefore, we must not make rash statements or draw improper conclusions about the Holy Spirit based what we would have Peter, Paul, or any of the other apostles say or mean in their salutations.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
through sanctification of the spirit,
.....unto obedience and
.....sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
.....Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Peter 1:2


Notice that it says sanctification OF THE SPIRIT: It is not possible that a Spirit PERSON would need to be SANCTIFIED: We receive sanctification OF the spirit (ours) when we obey and are covered by the blood of Jesus. Would a spirit PERSON need to OBEY?

When we are baptized our UNholy spirit becomes A holy spirit which is the same as A good conscience.

1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us
.....(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
.....but the request for A good conscience toward God,
.....by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
.....the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify,
.....when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.
.....And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,
.....and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:
.....worship GOD :
.....for the testimony of Jesus
.....is the spirit of prophecy.

Our SOUL and SPIRIT are often interchangeable

1Pet. 1:22 Seeing
.....ye have purified [holy] your souls
.....in obeying the truth
.....through the Spirit [The WORDS of Jesus ARE SPIRIT]
.....unto unfeigned love of the brethren,
.....see that ye love one another with a pure [HOLY] heart fervently:

The SEED is the WORD

Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them,
.....He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
.....Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

1Pet. 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
.....by the word of God,
.....which liveth and abideth for ever.

We are BORN AGAIN when we DIE to sin, obey in baptizm for the remission of sins

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
.....but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 Being THEN made free from sin,
.....ye became the servants of righteousness.

A person who is FREE FROM sin has A holy spirit.
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August 11th, 2013, 11:38 pm #35

I am interested in how far Donnie will venture with this Baptist style of argument. (Opps, did I say that? ) Donnie knows full well that ALL the scripture on the Holy Spirit must be considered.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]A-Won,

What do you think I've been doing all this time? I have quoted scores and scores of passages from Scripture in order to consider the totality of the Holy Spirit discussion. Have you been skipping or rejecting those passages?

I have dealt with "the spirit OF..." to cover the concept that whatever belongs [a part of] to a whole NEVER indicates that the "PART" becomes another "WHOLE." Simply put, the Spirit OF the living God does not create a separate diving Being called "God." Close to 70 references!!!! How difficult is that concept to comprehend????????????????

I have dealt with "the Godhead" in Colossians 2:1-10 -- where it says that the Godhead [the "mystery of God"] is comprised of" (1) God the Father AND (2) His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have dealt with the salutations in Paul's and in others' epistles to churches and individuals which consist of: (1) God the Father AND (2) the Lord Jesus Christ -- again, the Holy Spirit [considered in the Trinity Dogma as a separate Divine Being] is missing.

And there are other references throughout the Bible that are included in the discussion. For example: The Jews' concept of the Spirit of God in the Old Testament is about His power.

What have you offered? To my knowledge: NONE.

I think it's about time for Trinity followers to take into consideration SERIOUSLY if the creed or dogma is scriptural. There's has been NO PROOF from Scripture that the creed is biblical, as the invented doctrine is "conjecture."

I'd rather not think that you are not serious. But, unfortunately, your style has been making "DRB" and "Baptist" retortions, instead of actually REFUTING point by point any premise that I present or each of the numerous references that I present.[/color]
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August 12th, 2013, 12:30 am #36

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
through sanctification of the spirit,
.....unto obedience and
.....sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
.....Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Peter 1:2


Notice that it says sanctification OF THE SPIRIT: It is not possible that a Spirit PERSON would need to be SANCTIFIED: We receive sanctification OF the spirit (ours) when we obey and are covered by the blood of Jesus. Would a spirit PERSON need to OBEY?

When we are baptized our UNholy spirit becomes A holy spirit which is the same as A good conscience.

1Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us
.....(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
.....but the request for A good conscience toward God,
.....by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
.....the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify,
.....when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.
.....And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,
.....and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:
.....worship GOD :
.....for the testimony of Jesus
.....is the spirit of prophecy.

Our SOUL and SPIRIT are often interchangeable

1Pet. 1:22 Seeing
.....ye have purified [holy] your souls
.....in obeying the truth
.....through the Spirit [The WORDS of Jesus ARE SPIRIT]
.....unto unfeigned love of the brethren,
.....see that ye love one another with a pure [HOLY] heart fervently:

The SEED is the WORD

Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them,
.....He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
.....Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

1Pet. 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
.....by the word of God,
.....which liveth and abideth for ever.

We are BORN AGAIN when we DIE to sin, obey in baptizm for the remission of sins

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
.....but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 Being THEN made free from sin,
.....ye became the servants of righteousness.

A person who is FREE FROM sin has A holy spirit.
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"Sanctification of the Spirit" is an archaic way of saying "sanctification BY the Spirit." Remember that the wording of the KJV in 1611 is often not exactly the same way we would say things today. When Jesus said "Suffer the little children to come unto me," He was not talking about pain and suffering; He was talking about ALLOWING the children; "Allow the little children to come unto me." The same applies to "sanctification of the Spirit." It is the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us.

Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not the Holy Spirit is a person.

Again, we MUST NOT conclude anything about personifying or not personifying Holy Spirit based on the apostles' salutations.
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August 12th, 2013, 12:32 am #37

According to Donnie, "Paul and the other apostles/writers do not mention 'the Holy Spirit' [in their salutations]. This absence suggests that Paul and the others did not regard the Holy Spirit as a person." Actually, one apostle DOES mention the Holy Spirit in his salutation.

But first, let's examine the "opposite end" of Donnie's reasoning. If an apostle mentions the Holy Spirit in any of his salutations, it would suggest that apostle regarded the Holy Spirit as a person. Now observe the complete salutation to Peter's first epistle:

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied" (1 Peter 1:1-2 KJV).

Whereas Paul does not mention the Holy Spirit in his salutations, Peter DOES mention the [Holy] Spirit in the salutation to his first epistle. Does that REALLY mean Peter regards the Holy Spirit as a "person" but Paul does not? Anything we say about that, one way or another, would be pure conjecture; it would simply be our personal opinion, based on our bias about whether or not we regard the Holy Spirit as a "person." Therefore, we must not make rash statements or draw improper conclusions about the Holy Spirit based what we would have Peter, Paul, or any of the other apostles say or mean in their salutations.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, thanks for getting involved in the real discussion of a specific subject matter.

I was aware of that passage you quoted. I was waiting for someone to really search the Scripture and look for a loophole in the premise. Well, you think you did find it, right?

OK, I Peter 1:1-2. Actually, there are other similar passages, if you dare to search the Scriptures further.

I already mentioned at the outset that grammar in New Testament Greek, when a translation is influenced by preconceived notions, can be deceptive. Capitalization of improper nouns such as "spirit" can be confusing. Here, you made an assumption that "the pirit" refers to the Trinity's "Holy Spirit." Of course, I understand how that you, as a grammar expert, got overly excited when you saw the word "spirit" capitalized as in "Spirit." Your immediate reaction was: it's the "[Trinity's] Holy Spirit." You would have thought more deeply had you seen the expression, "sanctification of the spirit" [lower case].

Who needs sanctification? Is it God's Spirit? I think NOT!!! Or, the spirit of man? I think YES!!!

The spirit of man is "sanctified in Christ Jesus" (I Cor. 1:2); "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Heb. 10:10); sanctified "with his own blood" (Heb. 13:12); etc.

"Sanctification OF God's holy spirit" or reference to the "sanctification of Trinity Creed's 'Holy Spirit'" in the passage is conjecture. [/color]
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August 12th, 2013, 1:39 am #38

"Sanctification of the Spirit" is an archaic way of saying "sanctification BY the Spirit." Remember that the wording of the KJV in 1611 is often not exactly the same way we would say things today. When Jesus said "Suffer the little children to come unto me," He was not talking about pain and suffering; He was talking about ALLOWING the children; "Allow the little children to come unto me." The same applies to "sanctification of the Spirit." It is the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us.

Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not the Holy Spirit is a person.

Again, we MUST NOT conclude anything about personifying or not personifying Holy Spirit based on the apostles' salutations.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]We must not personify "the holy Spirit OF God." Unfortunately, the Trinity Dogma is doing just that by proclaiming that there is a Third Person, "Holy Spirit" [which is not a name], a Divine Being called "God":[/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The salutations do not mention the "Holy Spirit," much less personify. (20 epistles)
    [/color]</li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The Godhead does not include the "Holy Spirit," much less personify. (Col. 2:1-10)
    [/color]</li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Between the Father-the Son relationship and communication, the "Holy Spirit" is missing, much less personified. (Read John's gospel.)
    [/color]</li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The holy Spirit OF the Living God in some 70 O.T. and N.T. references is not identified as a separate Divine Being ... and it is not personified.[/color]</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Man is redeemed from sins in the blood of the Lamb; at the same time, he is sanctified when his spirit is made holy.

We are "sanctified by God the Father" (Jude 1:1); "sanctified in Christ Jesus" (I Cor. 1:2); "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (Heb. 10:10).[/color]
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August 12th, 2013, 2:42 am #39

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, thanks for getting involved in the real discussion of a specific subject matter.

I was aware of that passage you quoted. I was waiting for someone to really search the Scripture and look for a loophole in the premise. Well, you think you did find it, right?

OK, I Peter 1:1-2. Actually, there are other similar passages, if you dare to search the Scriptures further.

I already mentioned at the outset that grammar in New Testament Greek, when a translation is influenced by preconceived notions, can be deceptive. Capitalization of improper nouns such as "spirit" can be confusing. Here, you made an assumption that "the pirit" refers to the Trinity's "Holy Spirit." Of course, I understand how that you, as a grammar expert, got overly excited when you saw the word "spirit" capitalized as in "Spirit." Your immediate reaction was: it's the "[Trinity's] Holy Spirit." You would have thought more deeply had you seen the expression, "sanctification of the spirit" [lower case].

Who needs sanctification? Is it God's Spirit? I think NOT!!! Or, the spirit of man? I think YES!!!

The spirit of man is "sanctified in Christ Jesus" (I Cor. 1:2); "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Heb. 10:10); sanctified "with his own blood" (Heb. 13:12); etc.

"Sanctification OF God's holy spirit" or reference to the "sanctification of Trinity Creed's 'Holy Spirit'" in the passage is conjecture. [/color]
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
.....through sanctification of the spirit, hagiasm pneumatos,
.....unto obedience and
.....sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
.....Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Peter 1:2

Acts 2:38 hagiou pneumatos:
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August 12th, 2013, 2:47 am #40

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There are almost a hundred references to "the spirit OF..." throughout the Bible. Here's the list from another thread:[/color]
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord (26 references in O.T.; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; II Cor. 3:17,18)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF God (14 references in O.T.; 12 references in N.T.)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF our God (I Cor. 6:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the living God (II Cor. 3:3)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord God (Isa. 61:1)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF His Son (Gal. 4:6)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the holy Spirit OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12) </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The above references clearly indicate to me, as one theologian says, that the Holy Spirit is "not an independent entity alongside God, but the evidence of God's active presence in the world." We've dealt very extensively with the significance of the preposition "OF" to indicate ownership or belongingness or possession. [/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There was no debate in O.T. times about the Trinity. Period.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There was no debate among the 1st century Christians about the Trinity -- but since the Trinity Creed was invented, there has been more debate.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Jews don't capitalize "holy spirit" or "spirit" -- it does not refer to a person.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The Hebrew and Greek languages did not have upper and lower case when the earliest biblical manuscripts were written.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Capitalization is merely interpretation of Trinity-influenced translators.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Pronoun gender (he or it) in Greek is irrelevant -- strictly a "theological" decision.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The New Testament NEVER identifies "the Holy Spirit" as God.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The Spirit of God is to God what the spirit of man is to man.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"'Spirit of God' in Judaism denoted the power of God."[/color]</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The New Testament speaks of the GODHEAD (not Trinity) in the following manner (cf. Colossians 2:1-9): [/color]
  • [2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
    </li>
  • [3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
    </li>
  • [6] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
    </li>
  • [7] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
    </li>
  • [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    </li>
  • [9] For in him [the Lord Jesus Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of THE GODHEAD bodily.</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Now, Paul's and other writers' salutations in the following epistles:[/color]
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]ROMANS------------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:7)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]I CORINTHIANS-----: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]II CORINTHIANS----: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort, (1:2,3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]GALATIANS---------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) ... unto the churches of Galatia: Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, (1:1-3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]EPHESIANS---------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]PHILIPPIANS-------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]COLOSSIANS--------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (1:2,3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]I THESSALONIANS---: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:1)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]II THESSALONIANS--: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]I TIMOTHY---------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]II TIMOTHY--------: [/color]
    <blockquote>To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]TITUS-------------: [/color]
    <blockquote>To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. (1:4)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]PHILEMON----------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (1:3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]HEBREWS-----------: [/color]
    <blockquote>For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (1:5)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]JAMES-------------: [/color]
    <blockquote>James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. (1:1)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]I PETER-----------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (1:3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]II PETER----------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, (1:2)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]I JOHN------------: [/color]
    <blockquote>... and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. (1:3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]II JOHN-----------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. (1:3)
    </blockquote></li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="2" face="courier]JUDE--------------: [/color]
    <blockquote>Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: (1:1)
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Paul and the other apostles/writers do not mention "the Holy Spirit." This absence suggests that Paul and the others did not regard the Holy Spirit as a person.[/color]
I don't lose any sleep if people want to personify the Holy Spirit. If they are more comfortable regarding the Holy Spirit as a "person," if they can relate better to the Holy Spirit if they see the latter as a "person," that's fine. I say this, because I do not regard the matter of whether the Holy Spirit is or is not a person as a salvation issue, so it matters not how we perceive the Holy Spirit--person or not. More importantly, I see no evidence in the New Testament that our salvation hangs on whether we perceive the Holy Spirit as a person or not. Trying to conclude that the Holy Spirit is or is not a person based on whether the apostles do or do not mention the Holy Spirit in their salutations also has no firm foundation.
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