lisa
lisa

March 26th, 2005, 4:03 am #11

<font size=“2”>WINTERFEST CORPORATION AND JEFF WALLING</font>

The above named corporate body has its headquarters in Edmond, Oklahoma and is known as the "Winterfest Group." According to its website report (See http://www.winterfest.org) its officers are Greg Anderson of the Western Hills Church in Nashville, Dudley Chancey, Oklahoma Christian University and Johnny Markum of the College Street Church in Lebanon, Tennessee.

This para-church organization is no part of the church, but they annually feature their "Fallfest" or "Winterfest" programs to draw the youth of the church into their web of deceit. Just a few clicks of your mouse will reveal much about how this group which not only uses sectarians as a part of their program but features "contemporary Christian" performers using instrumental music with songs of praise and worship. You may listen to a block of this type music from the website. Here is a quote concerning one of the "contemporary" groups called, "Solomon's Wish" which will be on the program of Winterfest 2000 in Gatlinburg next month.

"Mike Hurst, Scott Roberts and Kevin "Toby" Tobias wrap their pop sensibilities and intricate vocals around themes such as feeling lack of direction ("Circle in the Sand") and living for Christ ("Easier Said than Done") while creating contemporary praise with songs like "Waterfall" and "God is Alive." Drawing from personal experiences, study times and often pastors sermons, all three are heavily involved in the song writing process for Solomon's Wish. Scott laughs -- "I always pay attention when someone wiser than me is talking -- there's always material!"

"With Scott on percussion as Mike and Toby complement the Solomon's Wish sound with acoustic guitar, the trio is as dynamic in live performance as their songs demand. All three have been involved in some aspect of church ministry, most specifically in youth ministry, where the threesome have felt called to work with teens. But for Solomon's Wish, performing a concert for a youth group is more than just doing their best on stage -- it is spending time with the kids before and after the show."

Jeff Walling will also be featured on the "Winterfest" 2000 at Gatlinburg in February. This brother over the last two decades has done as much as anyone to persuade the youth of the church of Christ that instrumental music in worship is "a matter of opinion...a gray area" (See Bulletin Briefs, May 1998 and Behold the Pattern, Goebel Music, 5114 Montclair, Colleyville, TX 76034, pp. 198-223). In many other ways, Walling continues to seek to change the church of our Lord into a carbon copy of protestant denominationalism. As evidence of this please note the following: In the Woodmont Hills Newsletter of September 29, 1999 (See www.woodmont.org), Rubel Shelly announced that he was going to be a "General Committee Member" on behalf of the June 2000 Billy Graham Crusade in Nashville. About one month later Walling announced (Providence Road Bulletin, Vol. XXVI, No. 21, Oct. 26, 1999) that Shelly would be their guest speaker for the Providence Road church for both services on November 7. Here is clear evidence that these two brothers are working together to restructure the church of Christ. In plain language their work with each other and the support for Billy Graham is such evidence. If not, why not?

Let me entreat in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ all elders to warn (1 Thess. 5:14) those under your care (Acts 20:28) against such programs of compromise as "Winterfest." Men who have been placed as elders over God's flock are required to stop the mouths of those "who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain" (Titus 1:11). And, if you do not think these "Fallfests" and "Winterfests" are a money making operation for those involved, you just ask the young people or their parents what the costs are to see the sideshows to the "religious" segment.

-- Jim E. Waldron
-- “Seek The Old Paths” (Vol. 11 No. 2, February 2000)


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NOTE: The “mini-calendar” of events for the MYG (Madison Youth Group) shows the “Winterfest” again is scheduled for February 20-22, 2004. [Donnie Cruz]
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You are in left field concerning Winterfest! I am a youth leader in my church with youth of my own and clearly God is and has used the Winterfest program to help revive and strengthen our youth. Should you not waste your plight to worry others with your words of fear? Couldn't you use your time and energy more wisely by encouraging others who are making a difference in our world today (Winterfest) and its organization? Come on, really, I hope people read what you have to say and go and attend just to find out for thierselves how God uses Winterfest to change lives!!!!Use your energy for what matters the winning of souls! not the cutting down of the brotheren and Gods annointed! Get in the right field! Catch the ball (vision) of what God is doing! Ive only experienced good from Winterfest and so has our teenagers!!!!


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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

March 26th, 2005, 6:18 pm #12

Lisa, you CANNOT look at two things at the same time: you look at Jeff and his theatrical performing circle OR you look at the Christ of God through HIS Words which are SPIRIT and LIFE. You are feeding the kids on Steroids: they might hit the ball and loose the prize. I hope that you are not a foul ball.

Most of us are into the Word and don't GET VISIONS. People who claim that they get visions (Max Lucado) or are getting a NEW VISION about the Church through a NEW SET OF GLASSES (Rubel Shell) and tell people to TAKE LIBERTIES and make up their story are FAR SPENT and are seeing STRONG DELUSIONS. Carol Wimber the MOTHER of the Vineyard (aka New Wineskins) knows and promotes the EXCITEMENT of musical worship as having a CLIMATIC EXPERIENCE with the Spirit.

Jeff Walling is the Champion Axe Man against churches of Christ which know that Jeff doesn't have a clue about the Bible. Lisa, if you are the Youth Leader does that explain why so-called worship has gone effeminate to the extreme? That was part of the end-time prophecy in Revelation 18:22.

Take a look at some of Jeff's Poison stuff trying to get the Youth to rebel against their elders who KNOW the Bible whereas Jeff Does not or is deliberately perverting it.

http://www.piney.com/WallingInd.html

LaGard Smith a wise man at Lipscomb says that to STOP the deliberate sowing of discord we must FIRE THE YOUTH MINISTERS.

http://www.piney.com/ChLSmith.html

I can understand why the THEATRICAL PROFESSIONALS would appeal to women and the youth but NOT to male leadership. You know it was always known that DRAMA WORKS BECAUSE IT ISN'T TRUE. And there is not even a remote hint that Christian worship has ANY musical content which arouses the pleasure centers of the youth alread brain dead from music which is known by the Bible, history and medicine to HURT and break down the rational or spiritual nature.

The word CHARISMATIC named after Chara or Grace the brown-eyed Greek perverted goddess is both a MARK and a FACILITATOR of perverted sexuality.

See how Jeff Walling advises the Youth leaders [Where God ordained mature males] to rebel against the church and its leaders. Whatever problems the church might have were CAUSED--for an unlawful and ungodly wage--can now be FIXED by the same unlawful and ungodly PROFESSIONALS--for an unlawful fee now DOUBLED. There are no PAID roles in the church which is not a pagan--always female dominated--"worship center" but a SYNAGOGUE or school of the Bible. The direct command of the Founder of His own school is to "come learn of Me."

http://www.piney.com/Walling1995.html

But, part of the effeminate INFILTRATE and DIVERT is to lie, lie, lie. They do the HATCHET JOB on the church and pass the GUILT on the weeping, bleeding widows who are forced out of the church building they PAID FOR. Shame, shame, shame. Paul outlawed female leadership because of EVE. Eve is also know as ZOE. When she used the TOUCH word literate students know that she was saying that EATING mant that she was not supposed to have sex with the SERPENT (Sophia of your Gnostic paganism) or daughter ZOE who was the BEAST and the female instructing principle.

When Eve (Zoe) and ALL female leadership OUTLAWED in the church of Christ used the word TOUCH it did not mean to put her fingers on an APPLE:
  • <font color=blue>Naga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch. </font>
Paul said that Eve was WHOLLY SEDUCED in the same way a new bride is seduced BEFORE her husband gets too her. That is why CAIN (maning a musical note) was the leader of the perverting MUSICAL band where HANDLED means WITHOUT AUTHORITY for the purpose of STEALING the free animals. That is why he is said to be OF THAT WICKED ONE. The ZOE GROUP have dug up EVE because APOLLO or Abbadon or Apollyon was prophesied to dig up the LOCUSTS. These are MUSICAL PERFORMERS, female like locusts with a SCORPION sting in their TAILS.
  • <font color=blue>Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous. 1Jn.3:12 </font>
The PARABLE in which God spoke from the foundaiton of the world to FOOL the traffickers has its Babylonian parallel where the shepherds were not located and did not engage in the FERTILITY RITUALS which are provable by singing, clapping or other ACTS deliberately intended to produce sexual feelings. On the other hand, the Agriculturists were devoted to FERTILITY RITUALS where music stimulates sexual and homosexual WORSHIP which was to PRODUCE MORE LAMBS. In the case of the NEW STYLE worship from the Towers of Babylon, FERTILITY WORSHIP is intended to produce more PAYING AUDIENCE afflicted by the unlawful TITHE and unlawful LAW OF GIVING. You remember that Lot pitched his tent toward SODOM where SODOMITES and prostitutes stimulated the "worship." That is why Jerusalem is called Sodom and Egypt. Mostly CITY FOLK get involved with that.

In the Babylonian parallel accounts, INANNA got EA, the patron god of music or LAMECH, drunk and stole the powers of the ELDERSHIP, MUSICAL WORSHIP, PERVERTED RITUALS,TEMPLE BUILDING AND DESTROYING and stirring up DISCORD between otherwise peacable brethren.

ALL musical terms, vocal or instrumental when used to DRIVE the stroking of the pleasure centers, are connected with SEXUALITY or even SATAN. That is what Paul said where most people will USE IT TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION."
  • <font color=blue>Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. beat a tune with the fingers; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing.. </font>
You remember that Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels who would almost certainly be female. The literature is certain that MALES who engaged in singing and playing were DRUNK or HOMOSEXUAL. That is the meaning of the ABOMINABLE BRANCH who did their musical-sexual "worship" right there in the Holy Place as a type of the church.
A related word is:
  • <font color=blue>Negiynah (g5058) neg-ee-naw'; or n&#711;gynath neg- ee- nath'; from 5059; prop. instrumental music; by impl. a stringed instrument; by extens. a poem set to music; spec. an epigram: - stringed instrument, musick, Neginoth [plur.], song

    Thou shalt bring down the NOISE of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the TERRIBLE ones shall be brought low. Isaiah 25:5 </font>
The Branch of the Terrible ones has the same meaning as Negiynah:
  • <font color=blue>Zamiyr (h2158) zaw-meer'; or zamir zaw-meer'; and (fem.) z&#711;mirah zem-ee-raw'; from 2167; a song to be accompanied with instrumental music: - psalm (-ist), singing, song </font>
I don't see how God intends to USE a commercial, trafficking institution to CHANGE LIVES when the OLDEN God in Christ used the WORD to produce FAITH. Lucifer or ZOE was the PRETENDED Day Star. Max Lucado even gives him hope of redemption. However, the Christ of God is the TRUE Day star and YOU have chosen Lucifer to GIVE THE INCREASE while ignoring God in Christ by hallucinating that you have the Lucado-Shelly "spirit person" in your body Rocking and Rolling:
  • <font color=blue>We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2Pe.1:19

    Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:11

    And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 19:10 </font>
Scripture says there are GODS CHOSEN BY WOMEN and gods chosen by men. That is why God OUTLAWED women--the children of Eve or Zoe--from letting loose their EMOTIONAL religion as "women and children rule over you." You CANNOT be a Christian and be anything more than a DISCIPLE. If you FAIL to disciple then don't PAY the same people who are using music to starve our kids for loss of the Word (Amos 5, 6, 8 and Isaiah 5).

I am quite certain that the EXPERIENCED or CHARISMATIC "thusing" which you JUDGE to be changes will--historically--last only until the NEXT FIX because music and excitement produced CHANGES are drug-highs. I know about YOUTH MEETINGS and as an elder I had to deal with the BACKLASH from drug-induced changes. I baptized my oldest daughter who had been THUSED by the DELIBERATE production of a DRUG high by YOUTH leaders.

Your addiction to WINNING MORE SOULS is consistent with people I know who claim that I WILL DO ANYTHING TO WIN MORE SOULS and they claim the mean AND DO anything. My own little dead church in the High Woods would WINTERFESTED about to death because the SAME traffickers are into other things like the Purpose Driven Cult and The Promise Keeper's Cult, etc, etc. YOU don't have the power to WIN SOULS. The CROSS is what attracts those who CAN BE attracted and that means suffering and reproach and not PERVERTED PLEASURING. Paul OUTLAWED pleasuring because not even God in Christ used PLEASURING to "win more souls." Pleasuring means to LIFT UP or CAUSE mental excitement. The major MANUFACTURER of pleasuring in the Greek word is directly related to the word for EXTERNAL SINGING which was a tool of witchcraft or sorcery. The PURPOSE DRIVEN goal was called HERESY. That word is related to LIFTING UP and SINGING. The goal of HERESY is to use SINGING to LIFT people up to CARRY THEM away for their OWN USES.

What you identify as WINNING MORE SOULS relates DIRECTLY to the Sacrificial MUSICIANS. They used singing and instruments to aid the Priests to LIFT UP THE ANIMALS to CUT THEIR THROATS. This GRACE CENTERED repudiation of the Word of God to CONVERT MORE SOULS proves that you are winning more souls CHARISMATICALLY (Grace is Charis or Chara). And charismatic worship is 100% the MARK of perverted sexual "worship."

http://www.piney.com/Charismatic.html

Yes, that is a good prayer: Mercy on Me! The YEAR is Revelation 18:22 and YOU are There! Isn't end time prophecy so FULFILLING?

Ken
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Kent S
Kent S

March 28th, 2005, 6:10 pm #13

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An Open Letter to All Churches of Christ of Southern California
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I was shocked and dismayed this last week to attend a Youth Program at one of our churches - on a Sunday morning at the 9:30 a.m. assembly in the auditorium. <font color=indigo>The speaker, in his presentation, presented four tape recordings of a full orchestrated band with all instruments. I could not believe my ears; there were guitars, drums, pianos, horns and string instruments of every nature. If it is OK to play a prerecorded tape, wouldn't it be just the same to have the full band play live?</font>

When I approached the director of the program I was told that this was a class, as communion was not being served until 10:30 a.m., and I was also told that the Greek words for "music" were "not clear. " I was told by an elder of that congregation that their eldership was not aware that instrumental music would be played in the auditorium that morning.

Brethren, I have a concern that well over 250 young people were badly misled that morning. Is it right for youth ministers, guest speakers, elders or others to introduce instrumental music of this magnitude in worship services among churches of Christ? Should the other churches at least have been told that this was going to happen? I have a great concern over what impression was made on the young people attending this Youth Program. I also have a concern if an eldership is not told about something as serious as this.

Are we being stumbling blocks for our young people? Why was this done in a secretive way without the eldership being informed? Why were the visiting congregations of Southern California, who sent their young people to this program, not told that this would be done? This didn't happen by accident. "We understand your concern and we will bring it up in our evaluation meeting afterwards," is skirting the issue.

It was only a few years ago that another congregation at a Youth Program was going to take the Lord's Supper on Saturday night. What will happen next? Is this what change is all about?

Let us prayerfully consider the actions that we take that are going to impact the soul salvation of all our young Christian brothers and sisters. Let us pray that we strive to be true to God's Word. Let us strive to live in harmony and in peace, but not peace at any price. Whatever happened to, "We speak where the Bible speaks and we are silent where the Bible is silent"?

In service to Christ,

D. Hershel Wilson
According to the tentative schedule, he will speak Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Jeff’s view of fellowship is similar to Max Lucado’s. Immediately, then we know that this program is not concerned that young people be taught the Truth.

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And just what is the truth? I'll tell you what it is, anything the coC says it is! I went to the coC for 25 years. I must tell you, you folks are officialy nuts!! The coC is now, in my opinion, a cult every bit as bad as the JWs. You might as well open a kingdom hall for the coC and march arm in arm off a clift! You of the "only ones going to heaven because we do it right" crowd make me want to puke!
Print this if you can. I see that this sight is so moderated by the "brethern" that dissenting opinion is treated like Pravda would treat it in the old soviet union!
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

March 28th, 2005, 11:34 pm #14

Did I ever show you any of my etching. Here is one which pictures the universal IMAGE of theatrical performers. Judas was one of these guys because his JUDAS BAG was for "carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments" and Psalm 41 predicts that he will try to TRIUMPH over Jesus which means "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the lord." That may be why CLAP includes the CONCEPT of puking from the choral dance the perverted clergy tried to induce into Jesus.
This speaks of the KOMOS or comedy and your guys are great STAND UP comics even if they have to MOCK Jesus and His Word.

Those guys who made you VOMIT in the old church are the same ones who do a GENDER BEND on you for a bigger price.

Ken
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

March 29th, 2005, 2:22 am #15

According to the tentative schedule, he will speak Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Jeff’s view of fellowship is similar to Max Lucado’s. Immediately, then we know that this program is not concerned that young people be taught the Truth.

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And just what is the truth? I'll tell you what it is, anything the coC says it is! I went to the coC for 25 years. I must tell you, you folks are officialy nuts!! The coC is now, in my opinion, a cult every bit as bad as the JWs. You might as well open a kingdom hall for the coC and march arm in arm off a clift! You of the "only ones going to heaven because we do it right" crowd make me want to puke!
Print this if you can. I see that this sight is so moderated by the "brethern" that dissenting opinion is treated like Pravda would treat it in the old soviet union!
Well, it does stagger the mind to think that someone, who supposedly follows Him Who directed us to love our neighbor as ourselves, could ironically manifest such unspeakably vicious hatred toward those with whom he disagrees. And that brings up an interesting story.

Many years ago in the 20th century, my grandfather related the true story of two local Church of Christ elders who argued with each other over the death penalty at a Wednesday night service. Although the arguments included the need for love and compassion toward those guilty of capital crimes, the arguments became so heated that one elder challenged the other to “step outside” so they could settle the matter more appropriately; that is, with a fist fight. All thoughts of “love thy neighbor” had vanished there as well in preference for bitter hatred.

Therefore, we extend sorrow and pity to those troubled souls whose life's joy is hating us and others for whatever reasons, and we earnestly hope that they will repent. Meanwhile, we recommend that their highly graphic messages, such as the one above, be consigned to an abode far beyond the Viper’s Den—a truly fitting abode that would fully and completely imprison their putrid acrimony: a toxic waste dump readily comes to mind.

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Kent S
Kent S

March 29th, 2005, 3:39 pm #16

Dr crump says:

Meanwhile, we recommend that their highly graphic messages, such as the one above, be consigned to an abode far beyond the Viper’s Den—a truly fitting abode that would fully and completely imprison their putrid acrimony: a toxic waste dump readily comes to mind.

Reply: You arrogant coc pharasee! Lets dont listen to any dissent! Lets dont think a bit using our God given brains. Lets just follow what we have had pounded in our heads for years by the coc! Lets let old crazy Ken keep posting his junk and treat it as gospel and beautiful literature!

I need to repent of nothing!!!! Just becuase i, or any other person, left the coc does not mean we are not a christians. Thats whats wrong, once again,with the coc (i.e.We are the only ones going to heaven, the rest are heathens condemed to eternal hell).

A pox on you all!
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

March 29th, 2005, 10:19 pm #17

Well, there's mature "dissent," and then there's just plain old hateful "vent." Let's see: according to you, the Church of Christ are arrogant Pharisees, a cult, nuts, nauseating, just like Soviets, and infested with pox; we're to be detested because we are very sure of our beliefs, and finally we should fall off a cliff. (I really hope our more discerning readers can differentiate between mature dissenting and hateful venting.) For your future posts, you might want to work in the following overused compliments which change agents most commonly bestow upon us: "judgmental, unkind, unloving, gossips, slanderers, divisive, troublemakers, hypocrites," and the granddaddy of them all, "religious pornographers!" Just want you to be as consistent as possible in your messages.

Now I'm going to repay your obviously mean-spirited, impenitent, resentful attitude with good. I'm going to pray for you, Kent S. You evidently despise the Church of Christ most severely, and it's eating at you like a cancer, whether you will admit it or not. You seem to resent any who are very sure of their salvation, as those in the Church of Christ are. But since you think the Church of Christ is completely wrong, I'm surprised that you would not pray for us. I could be wrong, but from your most recent, vehement messages, I just didn't get the impression that you ever had the desire to pray for us. But I will pray for you, Kent, that your bitter hatred against us will dissipate. A Christ-like mind rejoices not in inquity but in the truth (1 Cor. 13:6 KJV).
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chuck sonn
chuck sonn

March 29th, 2005, 11:41 pm #18

Dr Bill,

I noticed in your response to the "hateful venter" the following verbage:

"You seem to resent any who are very sure of their salvation, as those in the Church of Christ are."

Are you speaking for the cofC as the body of Christ? The body that has accepted Christ like we read about in the Word? Or are you just speaking for yourself as one in the church of Christ?

Could you see if that is the mainline belief among the group you fellowship with? It sort of sounds like OSAS to me. Not that there is anything wrong with OSAS!

looking forward to your answer...
chuck

ps...still didn't get a response to my question of you in the Schaivo thread.
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Kent S
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March 30th, 2005, 1:54 pm #19

Well, there's mature "dissent," and then there's just plain old hateful "vent." Let's see: according to you, the Church of Christ are arrogant Pharisees, a cult, nuts, nauseating, just like Soviets, and infested with pox; we're to be detested because we are very sure of our beliefs, and finally we should fall off a cliff. (I really hope our more discerning readers can differentiate between mature dissenting and hateful venting.) For your future posts, you might want to work in the following overused compliments which change agents most commonly bestow upon us: "judgmental, unkind, unloving, gossips, slanderers, divisive, troublemakers, hypocrites," and the granddaddy of them all, "religious pornographers!" Just want you to be as consistent as possible in your messages.

Now I'm going to repay your obviously mean-spirited, impenitent, resentful attitude with good. I'm going to pray for you, Kent S. You evidently despise the Church of Christ most severely, and it's eating at you like a cancer, whether you will admit it or not. You seem to resent any who are very sure of their salvation, as those in the Church of Christ are. But since you think the Church of Christ is completely wrong, I'm surprised that you would not pray for us. I could be wrong, but from your most recent, vehement messages, I just didn't get the impression that you ever had the desire to pray for us. But I will pray for you, Kent, that your bitter hatred against us will dissipate. A Christ-like mind rejoices not in inquity but in the truth (1 Cor. 13:6 KJV).
Dont need your prayers, dont want them.

but tell me sir, do you believe that only the people who follow the coc are going to heaven? Are all catholics condemed, how bout methodists, baptists, presbyterians, etc???

But i forgot, its not coc doctrine, it's christ's and God's doctrine the coc follows!


See, you folks think you have it all firgured out. Ok, fine, worship the way you like. But to condenm others who worship in a different way, please!!

Thats why i left you hypocrits never to return. Am i also to asume you think im lost since i attend a catholic church now? Most likely!


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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

March 31st, 2005, 5:51 am #20

The Gospels record several instances in which the Pharisees tempted Jesus with questions, hoping to trap Him with His words. But Jesus always provided answers that, to some, would seem ambiguous or evasive; but to the discerning, His answers were the pure truth. A typical example is His answer given when asked about paying taxes to Caesar (Matt. 22:15-22, this and all succeeding verses KJV): Render unto Caesar his things and unto God His things (although Jesus well knew that ALL things belong to God in the final analysis).

And so it is when change agents or other detractors of the traditional Church of Christ come to this web site and ask over and over again if the Catholics and members of the Protestant denominations are going to Heaven. They not only mock the confidence that the traditional Church of Christ manifests about its salvation, they also mock us with demands that we speculate upon the eternity of other faiths. So with temptation as their motive, they crouch with Matt. 7:1-2 hidden up their sleeves, itching to spring.

It’s perhaps easier to ask, “Who will decide who is going to heaven?” for the answer is obvious: God will be the final Judge, and anyone who says otherwise violates Matt. 7:1-2. Is it then more difficult to ask, “Who IS going to heaven?” Why not turn to the ONE source that has the definitive answer—the New Testament? Why not the Old Testament? Gal. 5:3-4 explains why not. You have a Bible—read.

First of all, Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). This means that, since the advent of the Christian dispensation, no person who has ever walked, or who ever will walk, on this earth can be saved (go to Heaven) from ANY faith (Christian or non-Christian) unless he first believes on Jesus, and Jesus only, as Lord. For those who do not believe this basic premise that Christ created, there’s nothing more to be said.

For Christians, belief is not enough; there must also be obedience, as the Scriptures also stipulate. Jesus ordered for His followers to observe all things whatsoever He had commanded them (Matt. 28:20) and that if we love Him, we will keep His commandments (John 14:15). If all we needed to do was just “believe” and do nothing else, why did Jesus make a big issue over obedience to everything that He had commanded? Why would nearly a third of His 50 recorded parables be devoted specifically to obedience? All that Jesus directly commanded, or commanded through the inspired Apostolic writings, is recorded in the entire New Testament, and it is the New Testament that is the “gold standard” by which all Christian “faiths” eventually will be judged, for the New Testament is the very Word of God. This Word is to be followed without ever adding anything to it, without ever diminishing anything from it, as the Scriptures also stipulate (Rev. 22:18-19).

Therefore, each Christian “faith” must examine itself, its creed, and its doctrine most closely and determine if it measures completely up to New Testament standards—not occasionally, not sometimes, not here and there—but in “all things.” Not all Christian faiths live up to New Testament standards. For example, if there are women pastors or homosexual pastors, confirm whether the New Testament authorizes them or not. Likewise, if baptism is by sprinkling or pouring instead of by immersion; if infant “christening” is practiced as the sole form of “baptism”; if baptism is not considered essential for salvation; if the roles of elders or deacons have been eliminated; if the Virgin Mary is venerated or deified as holy and able to answer our prayers; if the Pope is considered the vicar of Christ; if human priests serve as intermediaries between man and Christ; if priests have the power to absolve sins; if there is belief in Purgatory and Limbo; if divorce and remarriage are readily acceptable for any cause; if all portions of the Word are not considered of equal merit and importance; if practices are implemented in worship which closely mimic worldly practices or which are clearly designed to make worship more entertaining, culture-relevant, and acceptable rather than reverent and holy; if a new practice is under consideration for implementation in worship; therefore, for “all things,” confirm whether the New Testament specifically authorizes them or not, either by specific command or by direct implication by the Word. The list could go on and on.

Which act follows the Word more closely—to second-guess the Scriptures and implement into worship anything and everything not specifically forbidden therein, or to implement only that which is specifically authorized and commanded therein? Is it not more obedient to take the Scriptures at face value, trust them to be a true Guide, and not deviate from them in any way whatsoever? Neither Jesus nor the Apostles gave Christians any authority to go beyond that which is specifically authorized and commanded in the Word. This is not “legalism”; this is simple obedience to God’s Word.

So who is going to heaven? Those who believe that Jesus is Lord, who forsake the world, and who do the will of the Father according to His Word (1 John 2:15-17).


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