Any news about this new start up church

Any news about this new start up church

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December 3rd, 2014, 11:44 pm #1

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
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December 4th, 2014, 5:00 pm #2

About 30 cars.

"Wishing Well" format.

Adoption of impressionistic worship.

"We don't know what it is going to look like."

"We don't know what it is going to be called."

It is bound to be successful, according to its proponents, since the baggage of culture is not upon its head.

Interesting, that the issue of authority may have been settled, since it has a "pastor."
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December 4th, 2014, 5:48 pm #3

That's the pattern

RULE or RUIN then RUN


Rejoice: this is working out better than I thought.

1Cor. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Gal. 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Lectio Divina out of LU is of Biblical Proportion. Of "divina."

Plato Gorg. [513a] and so therefore now,
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whether it is your duty to make yourself as like as possible to the Athenian people,
.....if you intend to win its affection and have great influence in the city:
see if this is to your advantage and mine,
.....so that we may not suffer, my distinguished friend,
.....the fate that they say befalls the creatures
.....who would draw down the moon—the hags of Thessaly;
.....that our choice of this power in the city may not cost us all that we hold most dear.
.....But if you suppose that anyone in the world
.....can transmit to you such an art as will cause you

[513b] to have great power in this state without conforming to its government either for better or for worse, in my opinion you are ill-advised, Callicles; for you must be no mere imitator, but essentially like them, if you mean to achieve any genuine sort of friendship with Demus the Athenian people, ay, and I dare swear, with Demus son of Pyrilampes1 as well. So whoever can render you most like them is the person to make you a statesman in the way that you desire to be a statesman, and a rhetorician;


The musical or any kind of "body worship" is defined in the literature as THE meaning of Lying Wonders. Jesus says that they are OF the world and their task is to try to make as many lambs dumb before the slaughter as possible.

They understand their roles IN the World because Jesus says they are OF the world. The biblical view is that they are a Viper Race or Crooked race and, as the Lucifer figure in the garden of Eden, they are POed that God dares to have a LITTLE FLOCK who are OF truth or OF FAITH. People who will lie, cheat and steal or destroy your property based on SELF WILL would also hurt you if they could get by with it. Don't let the Viper Bite you: The BEAST is A sudden new style of music and satyric drama.

They are in a panic because they know that their time (KAIROS) is about up. Never weep for anyone who would follow the multitude.</font>
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December 4th, 2014, 8:20 pm #4

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
All the "Gold in Fort Knox" lends no credibility to this story. JMHO.
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December 5th, 2014, 5:11 pm #5



Could this be the work of "thing 1 and thing 2" ???



BTW, what is wrong with using "pastor" when referring to the preacher?
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December 6th, 2014, 3:35 am #6

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
Based on the several attempts to infiltrate Madison into "a theater for holy entertianment" they are defined only by myths and legends: Muthos is the OPPOSITE of LOGOS and Logos outlaws anything but SPEAKING (Ephesians 5) that which is written for learning and not a command to make music.

The Bible is credible only if it tells the history of the good, the bad and the ugly. The Scribes wrote the history of the God-abandoned monarchs who were also abandoned to "worship the starry host" imposed because of the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity. Trinity as we have noted is a latter day myth within churches of Christ as the platform for a radical shift into feminists and effeminate "worship" services where people corrupt the Word meaning selling learning at retail also meaning prostitution. A Godly teacher will never run out of that which is written and when people turn from SPEAK and SAY to rhetoric, singing, playing instruments and acting, ancient civil society would say that they are "drunk, perverted or just having fun" such as mocking Jesus.

Pind. O. 7 [5] honoring the grace of the symposium and the new marriage-bond, and thereby, in the presence of his friends, makes him enviable for his harmonious marriage-bed; I too, sending to victorious men poured nectar,
the gift of the Muses, the sweet fruit of my mind, [methuo fluted down with wine[
I try to win the gods' favor [10] for those men who were victors at Olympia and at Pytho. That man is prosperous, who is encompassed by good reports.
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Grace, which causes life to flourish,
.....looks with favor now on one man, now on another,
.....with both the sweet-singing lyre and the full-voiced notes of flutes.
And now, with the music of flute and lyre alike I have come to land with Diagoras, singing the sea-child of Aphrodite and bride of Helios [Apollon]


This defines the CROOKED RACE or those "fluting you down with wine" which must be stopped before you can SPEAK which is opposite of ODE.

--Commentary [5] sumposiou te kharin: anti tou tōn en tō sumposiō (Schol.). “For the sake of them that sat at drink with him.” s. = hoi sumpinontes, as theatron<b> = hoi theōmenoi. Others, “to grace the banquet.”</b>


AS THE ONLY MEANING OF LEGALISM:

--sumpotikos , ē, on,
A.convivial, nomoi s. the laws of drinking-parties, enforced by the sumposiarkhos, Pl.Lg. 671c; s. harmoniai modes suited for drinking-songs,


[7] I too, sending to victorious men poured nectar, the gift of the Muses, the sweet fruit of my mind, I try to win the gods' favor

Moisan dosin [licence, permission]: The Muses have given it aphneias apo kheiros. But the figure is not carried out, though it might have been. The phiala [vials poured out for drinking] would have represented the maestro di cappella. Compare O. 6.91, where Aineas is called glukus kratēr agaphthegktōn aoidan.


Mūsăgĕtes , ae, m., = Mousagetēs, I.leader of the muses, an epithet of Apollo and Hercules,

The VIAL of the Maestro [Wizard] of the Cappella is:

kra-tēr 2. metaph., k. aoidan, of the messenger who bears an ode, Pi.O.6.91; k. kakōn, of a sycophant [bootlicker, brown-noser, toady, lickspittle, flatterer], Ar.Ach.937


Sad songs are tragedies or goat songs: cappella [Azazel] defined the offering of the scapegoat [to the devil. The craftsmen, singers and instrument players perform in the Thargelia, when a scapegoat (pharmakos) assumed the communal guilt; and the Pyanepsia

God promised to LEAVE US A WAY OF ESCAPE as the Little Flock OUT of the World for which Jesus doesn't pray. Worship is IN our spirit as a PLACE: if they claim that all of the ACTORS are performing worship for you to imitate, they are VIALS POURED OUT: lick it up.

I may not be right but I don't have to since there is no command, example or inference of God calling His people into assembly (synagogue) for congregational singing with or without instruments so the musicators MUST be the hallucinators.



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December 6th, 2014, 3:50 am #7

It is interesting that you would quote Wayne Jackson and yet ask what is the problem with using "the pastor" to refer to the pulpit minister.

Pastor refers to the tri-fold description of pastor (shepherd), bishop (overseer), and elder (presbyter). These are used more or less interchangeable in Acts 20--look around verse 28.

There was a plurality of these in the New Testament, since they were set up in every church and every city. "The pastor" refers to a single person, who can impose his will on the entire congregation. When the members consider one man "the pastor" or the pulpit minister considers himself as "the pastor" the church is in trouble. This type of imaging implies that the right of self-determination of taken from each member of the church, who are supposed to be a royal priesthood--that is have a voice in their own direction and salvation.

An eldership (or shepherdship, etc) that allows the pulpit minister to be "the pastor" is in trouble, since it is not long until the membership rebels and causes the elders great grief. This is what happened of late at Madison.

The pulpit minister who refuses to take the counsel of elders, and flakes off to another congregation, has already disqualified himself since he becomes a tyrant of pope. Elders that allow a preacher to steer his own rudder, are asking for big problems down the road, when he becomes insufferable to the congregation and they cough him up.

Those who follow him deserve him, and they will be able to stand it for a while, but they too may eventually not be able to tolerate it much longer.

It would be good that the elders (overseers, shepherds) should be able to pastor the congregation through preaching and teaching themselves.
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December 7th, 2014, 3:59 am #8

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Confused,

You asked, "... I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information."

I believe it was mentioned in another thread: "Madison's New (Instrumental) 'Vision'" [this relevant information you may have missed]:[/color]
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Subject: "Turned" (September 14 2014, 9:31 PM)
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<blockquote>[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Move to community church aborted by elders.

They attempt to become like the "old church of Christ."

No more performances from the stage--song leader and preacher only to be there.

Seeking to get some man in pulpit with long-standing experience.

Many are very pleased.

Pulpit minister refused to modify his stances and he was defiant even in his last sermon.

Worship leader appears compliant and agreeable to changes.

This happens in the background of three elders resigning several months ago. Remaining elders are almost all in agreement to retrench.
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Subject: "Resignations" (October 13 2014, 11:50 AM)
Posted by: Scripture[/color]

<blockquote>[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Worship leader and youth leader resigned.

Rumor that splinter group has collected over 100 adherents.

Elders begs the few remaining praise team members to stay.

Two men from LU are alternating on pulpit.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]I hope this helps.[/color]
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December 7th, 2014, 6:26 am #9

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Confused,

You may recall my statement in June: "... when instrumental music accompaniment [prerecorded...] at Madison officially began." To that you responded as follows:[/color]
[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]June 3 2014, 10:00 AM

Not bust your "I finally got them doing instrumental music" bubble.....BUT the "instrumental Music" your think you heard while singing the last praise song on May 25 was not "instrumental" at all. It was prerecorded vocal percussion...meaning done with vocals, one might say by plucking the heart strings. The vocal percussion was then played back using a loop pedal. Sorry but keep digging. But again reporting facts is not y'all's strong suit in the first place.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]OK, while you questioned our "reporting facts," you provided info regarding the use of a "loop pedal." And it is for this reason that I believe you may be able to provide additional information regarding this recent development at Madison.

Where is this group meeting? How is the "pastor" compensated? Has Madison's former "worship leader" joined the group? Does the group have the "instrumental music/band"?[/color]
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December 8th, 2014, 8:00 pm #10

Anyone know anything about this new start up church from former Madison members? I thought maybe someone would have mentioned in previous threads but can't find any information. Thanks
ALL of the theologians (Apollon's teachers) make the claim that churches of Christ SECTED out of the Christian church in 1906 when the Christian church didn't begin to organize until 1927. They were already beginning to focus on PSALLO to prove that you are sinners if you don't join them in "instrumental worship" (meaning from Babylon onward, the worship of the instrumnent." Even david wanted to awaken his lyre so he could awaken the DAWN who is the "mother" of lucifer: why not since God had turned the Jews over to worship the starry host.

They hold world-wide assemblies to claim that churches of Christ--being evil rednecks--INVENTED or STOPPED the use of instruments which they say that God COMMANDED. If you have a hidden agenda to infiltrate and divert other people's property what's wrong with lying? They will grow and glow and collect (the Locust parable) all but a LITTLE FLOCK whom God gave to Jesus OUT of the World of which they were never a part.

Not surprising, it is ALWAYS the instrumental idolaters who deliberately sow discord so that they can PERFORM as SUBSTITUTES for the one Mediator the MAN JESUS CHRIST. But, the guilt clause works on most of the people most of the time and that's good enough.

I was working on Romans 8 to prove that the Spirit (mind) of God does not live INSIDE of a carnal body as a PERSON guiding them to lie and came across this old post: I can repeat it for the occasional person who wants to quit lying about Churches of Christ stopping their fun (Stark Warlick debate etal).

http://www.piney.com/RefMLuthRom15.html




<font face="arial" size="4">In fact there is NO historical and literate scholar who does not denounce those wanting to impose the practices of vile festivals or theaters into the School of Christ. But, having NO evidence they can just invent "postmodernism" to say that their is no TRUTH and so their "truth" can be used to rob you in tithes and offerings.
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