Allan Stanglin: Bobby Valentine Jay Guin-David Ditto

Allan Stanglin: Bobby Valentine Jay Guin-David Ditto

Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

November 21st, 2015, 5:35 pm #1

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
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Rocky
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November 21st, 2015, 5:54 pm #2

I have known Jay for many years. He is a home boy! Roll Tide!

Not relevant: The name is RICK ATCHLEY

We don't promote Jay Guin and His SECTARIAN Progressive Churches of Christ.

He sounds like a lawyer but the JUDGE will or maybe has already diverted Jay to the Lake of Fire. His BRIEF is typical LAWYERS and "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge.

He hates people who post the CONTEXT of his proof texts which he scrambles into OPINIONS which are ANTI-Logos or Regulative principle

http://www.piney.com/The.Progressive.Ch ... hrist.html

If you click on those WHITE PAPERS Jay posted on wineskins you will find my review but you will NOT be able to read the FALSE TEACHERS. I SEE:

Permission Denied
Not Found / No Access


Remember Wimpy Burgers?

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November 21st, 2015, 6:08 pm #3

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
That is a lot Churches listed Ken. Have you been to one lately?
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November 21st, 2015, 6:41 pm #4

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
Rick Atchley says: “Jesus never deals with the issue.

I told you that God will never let SOWERS OF DISCORD speak the truth.

THAT'S A LIE.. A Church of Christ is built upon or Educated by the Prophets and Apostles. Rick and the Phds have never read the PROPHETS who repudiate the Jacob-Cursed and God-abandoned Levites.

Christ the Rock defined the Church which met in synagogue from the wilderness onward. The Spirit OF Christ condemned music which starved the people for lack of the Word in Amos 8 and Isaiah 5. In many ways Jesus and the Apostles repudiate the musical mocking or PLAY which was BEYOND REDEMPTION. The Assembly

The assembly quarantined the godly people from the Atchley-Pattern of Animal slaughter which God never commanded: was exclusive of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or Atchley Rhetoric.

The ANTI-instrumental advocates must speak where Jesus never did. You would think He would if this was worth splitting His church over.”

THAT'S EVIL: "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric was OUTLAWED" for the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. The one-piece pattern was to REST from the usual seventh-day worship of the starry hosts, to READ the Word and Rehearse or remember the Word."

Jesus commanded that Christians-Disciples-Students teach and observe what HE commanded to be taught. If Jesus DIDN'T speak then you would think that Atchley would NOT THINK that imposing instruments is WORTH SPLITTING the Church: He-they did the SPLITTING but he cannot OWN the fact that God hates the music in the "holy places" and He hates men who sow discord.

Atchley's chairs are EMPTY because He cannot accept that JESUS is on the Throne: in prophecy and fulfillment Christ connected instruments to Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitutes. Too bad his throne is empty: that's the meaning of predestination of those who HAD deceived the Whole world once: they are OF the World or Ecumenical and God HIDES from them.

Comparing the Throne of Christ to empty chairs and having thousands go away believe it is the MARK we have been watching far. The BEAST is "a new or sudden style of music or Satyric Drama" like debating with EMPTY CHAIRS for goodness sake!!!

They ALL repeat like parrots: Jesus didn't say DON'T use musical instruments when He promised to give REST to those OUTSIDE of the masses to "COME LEARN OF ME." Because all of the LOGOS Words speak of the Regulative principle which outlaws personal opinions, personal experiences, rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, the Christ in Isaiah says that "If they do NOT Speak that which is written THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.<b></b>



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November 21st, 2015, 11:50 pm #5

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
There is just a small band of men Purpose Driven to Destroy the Historic Church. Because Jesus was the Visible-Audible manifestation of God as LOGOS or Regulative Principle they, as John Mark Hicks notes,"don't ignore the Bible but depend on Theology." We have noted that THEOLOGY is a Word devoted almost totally to Apollon-Abaddon who was the leader of the Locusts meaning MUSES known as dirty adulteresses assuming the role of SHEPHERDESSES. He is the defacto Leader of the Musicians John calls SORCERERS who will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

It is easy to fool the latest spawn of preachers who have been carefully groomed (as Mike Cope's new job) to divert them into neo-paganism based on rank ignorance of and hostility to the Word or LOGOS principle: they ditto head the comments and denounce Zwingli for something universally taught by the God of the "obsolete" Bible.

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November 22nd, 2015, 12:14 am #6

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
There is nothing said about singing with or without an instrument when God gathers the GODLY for SKHOL.

The Text and common decency is filled with the need to be SILENT. If you are going to violate the direct command to SPEAK that which is written for our learning and sing the silly ditties of the "praise leader" you cannot be interested in even EDUCATION in your singing:

Four different groups
Singing four different sets of words
At four different times
To four different times.

[fact] And "did you hear that alto: too slow, she gotta go."

However, Paul demanded just the opposite of singing as a mind-control act:

That ye put off concerning the former conversation (being busy about) the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (longing after); Ephesians 4:22

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; Ephesians 4:23

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ephesians 4:24

Wherefore putting away lying, SPEAK every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Ephesians 4:25

The Spirit OF Christ breathed on or inspired the Prophets
A Church is built upon (educated by) the Prophets and Apostles.
Both Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles repudiate the cunning craftsmen or sophists meaning speakers, singers or instrument players; they are all noisy children "making the lambs dumb before the slaughter."




<font face="arial" size="4">THAT is the meaning of a HERETIC or SECTARIAN in an evil sense.

The WILL be "making music" as loud noise of voice or instruments when the last TRUMPET VOICE gives notice. I can't be certain but the TIME and world conditions are perfect that the INVASION of the TRUMPETERS in peaceable churches MIGHT have been SOUNDED. It is KAIROS time to mount the LAST ATTACK. Certainly Jesus said that God HIDES from the wise or sophists: speakers, singers or instrument players ENHANCING the power to pick the widow's purse. And the BEAST is defined for readers as "A new style of music and Satyric Drama" that "cappella" or Goat invasion.
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November 22nd, 2015, 1:27 am #7

Bobby Valentine following the mantra of the discorders speaks of Zwingli focusing upon the notion of the "law of Christ." Rejecting Catholic additions "Zwingli introduced the Regulative Principle." Audible singing was to be REJECTED in worship on the same principle as instruments--because there was no Divine Pattern."

The false notion often notes that the normal use of instruments was suddenly REJECTED because of a legalistic, patternistic theology. Legalism is used in the Greek text EXCLUSIVELY of speakers,singers, instrument players, actors, dancers or jesters: they ALL must be talented, follow the LAWS laid down by the state (or worship leader), practiced for years, rehearsed often, presented for hire (money or glory) and JUDGED according to strict laws.

Literate people including the Bible Period onward knew that there was no "musical" content because it was OUTLAWED for the Synagogue and repudiated by all of Scripture for God's assemblies. Outlawing in the wilderness was for those so irreverent as to introduce speaking or "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" when the PATTERN for the assembly was inclusive of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word.

They also knew that the ONE PIECE PATTERN WAS
To SPEAK that which is written for out LEARNING
ALL of the LOGOS (regulative principle) speak words are the OPPOSITE of ODE.
To that end God supplied NO lyric poetry set to any kind of music.
Not even the Catholics ever engaged in "congregational singing" and the organ in rare cathedrals were used only for processionals, intermissions and recessionals: never to ENHANCE chanting the Word.

God laid a rat trap for false teachers:

In the 16th century, Protestant churches encouraged congregational psalm singing by adopting metrical versions in the vernacular. An important early translation was Clèment Marot's, the basis of the Calvinist psalter. A repertory of tunes came into being; these were set in a simple chordal style in collections which included Loys Bourgeois's complete psalter (1563), widely recognized as a standard version. Some later settings were more contrapuntal; Le Jeune and others dropped the tunes and composed what amounted to free motets.


That's MUCH to early to use all of the RACA words to say that REJECTING those imposing instruments are SPLITTING THE CHURCH.

Plutarch in Symposium

participate not altogether inarticulately and insignificantly.

But if the greater part consists of such who can better endure the noise of any bird, fiddle-string, or piece of wood than the voice of a philosopher,

Just so, when philosophers midst their cups dive into minute and logical disputes, they are very troublesome to those that cannot follow them through the same depths; and those that bring in idle songs, trifling disquisitions, common talk, and mechanical discourse destroy the very end of conversation and merry entertainments, and abuse Bacchus.
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November 22nd, 2015, 4:02 am #8


Ken, no one will ever know!

https://twitter.com/JayGuin
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November 22nd, 2015, 6:25 am #9

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Rocky,

Would you make it easy for readers who have a very limited time to read pages of info? Give us a "Reader's Digest" version of what you're trying to say.[/color]
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November 22nd, 2015, 1:51 pm #10

Jason Shepherd has followed the leaders who ASSUME heaps of authority because they are INVITED to the grand festivals and used by the NACC to spread discord among those whom they now brand ANTI-instrumentalists which is a NEW category: if you refused to FELLOWSHIP instruments and still teach the Bible and historical facts, you fall under the BAN and it is acceptable to TAKE THE AXE to your foolish teaching. By lying, cheating and stealing the property and spiritual life of godly people they are LITERALLY giving those who refuse to accept the BRAND the Lizzie Borden Therapy.

Lizzie Borden had an axe
She gave her mother 40 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father 41

Dwaine E. Dunning:

http://www.piney.com/MuDunningDownen.html

There are at least three ways to kill a tree.

You can poison it, or burn it. It might not survive if all the limbs were lopped off. But men usually choose to kill a tree by cutting down its trunk.
We take an axe or saw to it not far above the roots and "fell" that tree.

Likewise a system of doctrine may be destroyed in various ways. It might be poisoned (or sweetened in this case) by injecting a different spirit into those who hold the doctrine.

Or its various contentions may be individually or specifically refuted,
like lopping off a tree's branches one by one.


Little does he know nor can he know that he wants to take and AXE to the Spirit of Christ throughout the bible as well as all recorded history without "proof texts" until his SECT poisoned the wells by repeating the prophesied and fulfilled MOCKING Jesus instead of Listening to Him if you have any APT elders.

Strong Delusions are sent to those who do not love the Truth: the Logos as Regulative Principle which is the opposite of human enhancements. Strong Delusions are proof that the LAW OF SILENCE is refuted and all of the Phds and Phdettes and sect say AMEN! Empty chairs.



Reminds me of those blinders we used to put on horses
Ken is the one wearing the funny hat.

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