Alexander Campbell the Sermon on the Law: "Judeao-Christian Values"?

Alexander Campbell the Sermon on the Law: "Judeao-Christian Values"?

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March 7th, 2017, 10:53 pm #1

Alexander Campell the Sermon on the Law.

http://www.piney.com/Alexander.Campbell ... e.Law.html

Almost without exception theologians believe that the CURSE OF THE LAW was a commandned PATTERN for the Christian Assembly.

[url=http:// https://www.studylight.org/commentaries ... uel-8.html] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries ... uel-8.html[/url]

Coffman's Commentary Speaks for the total Bible view that Israel's rejection of God as King, Judge and Priest set the stage for their later repudiation of Jesus Christ in order to keep the evil Temple-System like all other nations. Remember that the clergy was still seeking a king "like the nations" and had not a hint of looking for a Spiritual King, Prince and Mediator:

The great Cambridge scholar, Henry McKeating, has the following comment on this passage from Hosea:

"Hosea is not only antagonistic to the northern kings but to the monarchy as such. The monarchy is powerless to save the nation. Israel was wrong to ask for a king. Her punishment was that she got what she asked." 7: Henry McKeating, Amos, Hosea, and Micah (Cambridge: University Press, 1971), p. 148.

Coffman: "We are aware that it is popular among many able commentators today to make apologies for Israel's monarchy and to apply what the Scriptures plainly say about it to some specific monarch, Saul, for example, as did Dummelow, or to the kings of Northern Israel as did Hailey;
but it is the conviction of this writer that
Israel was totally and completely wrong in asking a king and that this rejection of God (that is what the text calls it) contained embryonically all of the later sorrows of the Chosen People.

Throughout the whole history of Israel, there were very few monarchs who even tried to serve the Lord. Solomon was to be blamed for the division of the kingdom under his son, because the people simply rejected the excesses of Solomon; and yet, even after God took the monarchy away from them, the nation wanted nothing in heaven or on earth as much as they wanted the restoration of that scandalous Solomonic empire.

It was this, more than anything else,

that motivated their rejection of God Himself,
finally and irrevocably,
in their rejection of God's Son, Jesus Christ the Holy One.

Go down the list of Israel's kings, David, the very best of all of them, was an adulterer and a murderer; and he also corrupted the worship of God by two sinful things:

(1) his initiating the events that led to the building of the temple (the den of thieves and robbers in Jesus' times); and

(2) his introduction of instruments of music into the worship of God. We do not have the space here to outline all of the misdeeds of Israel's shameful monarchy,

but it is clear enough that God's disapproval of the monarchy was no late thing, applicable only to the phantom kings of Ephraim's final years, but it rested upon the monarchy from the very beginning of it as outlined in this chapter.

If God had ever approved of it, He would never have taken it away from them! Nevertheless, God accommodated to the sinful conduct of His people and in many specific instances blessed the kings of Israel,


I've been coming across this phrase on many websites on the internet (Judeao Christian values). It makes no sense to me, as the Law of Moses was ended when Christ came.  Can we discuss some verses that will help combat this misrepresentation of the truth?  Also, I've been reading the comment, "that Jesus was a Jew ".  From what I understand the term Jew was not in the vocabulary until much later.  Any comments?
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March 8th, 2017, 1:55 am #2

Very important question.

I have noted that Jacob cursed the Levites and commanded that the true Israelites not attend the assemblies of Levi nor to enter into their Covenant. They would experience SHILOH or REST by attending the synagogue to quarantine the godly people FROM the God-Abandoned Civil-Military-Clergy. This was prophetic and pointed to the SEED of Abraham.

THE JEWISH Monarchy was an ECLIPSE: [SKIA] an obscuring of the light from one celestial body by the passage of another between it and the observer or between it and its source of illumination. synonyms: blotting out, blocking, covering, obscuring, concealing, darkening; occultation.

ISAIAH BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

Is. 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Is. 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you
in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
Col. 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

A Shadow is something truly Evil:

G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; “shade” or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration]):--shadow.
Skia
2. reflection, image (in a bowl of oil), Sch.Il.17.755.
3. shade of one dead, phantom, Od.10.495, A.Th.992,
of worthless things, that phantom at Delphi, of the Amphictyonic council, D.5.25; hai tou dikaiou s. mere shadows of .
4. evil spirit, Hippiatr.130, PMasp.188.5
also, of one worn to a shadow, A.Eu.302;

umbra A shade, ghost of a dead person (poet. and in post-Aug. prose; cf.: “Manes, Lemures) i. e. Pluto, [Hades]
Like the Greek skia, an uninvited guest, whom an invited one brings with him (cf. parasitus), Hor. S. 2, 8, 22; id. Ep. 1, 5, 28; Plaut. Pers. 2, 4, 27; so, of an attendant: “luxuriae,” Cic. Mur. 6, 13.

The Greek PARASITE applies to all religious operative pretending that you could not approach God without attending OUR services and FEEDING our face. After people caught on to the sacrifical altars, the MUSICIANS were left and continued to be parasites by doing ANYTHING to eat up the widow's living.

BUT, the futurorum Asserting existence, to be, exist, live: [Jesus became the LIVING REST or SHILOH]

In the Old Testament emphasis is on THE COVENANT MADE WITH ABRAHAM who was a Syrian or a GENS since there were no Jews.

In Galatians 3 Paul LEAPFROGS the entire Law of Moses Period and declares that a disciple is a CHILD of God and of ABRAHAM.

The Law was ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The transgression was the PLAY at Mount Sinai which was vocal, instrumental and deviously sexual. That continued in Jerusalem and is being repeated under the leadership of the Babylon Mother of Harlots: history notes that sometimes mother goddesses can be MALE.



<font face="arial" size="4">There is NOTHING Jewish which contributed to the Shiloh, Rest, Mediator. Unfortunately, the Phduhs at the infiltrated universities have gone almost totally Jewish a people God sentenced to Captivity and Death because they were PURPOSE DRIVEN to bring Egyptian Abominations with them. They use Miriam as their PATTERN but her prophesying like that of the Levites was soothsaying

Soothsaying and/or Sorcery was facilitated by the use of loud instruments.

The Jews did not have the values to keep the ten commandments even to the time Moses came down with the tablets and BROKE THEM forever because they are never restated in their original form. People who speak about "values" probably want you to pay them.

True or note what people believe IS the IS for them.

The DAKTYLS, being the Greek word for "fingers," are the humans depicted as spirits born from Gaia pressing her fingers into the ground. They are thus thought to be the real people who sprang from the earth, placing the folkloric memories of the DAKTYLS, like the KABIRI representation of Original Man, deep into the evolutionary past. It is said that the first wise men descended from the DAKTYLS. Were they the first to introduce language back in 500,000 B.C.? Homo sapien, recall, does mean "wise or intelligent man."

We'll probably never know, but they did invent the notes of the musical scale and introduced musical instruments into the Pelasgian region. As soothsayers, sorcerers, and conjurers their magical practices and mysteries traveled to Italy and Greece.

The DAKTYLS, being the Greek word for "fingers," are the humans depicted as spirits born from Gaia pressing her fingers into the ground. They are thus thought to be the real people who sprang from the earth, placing the folkloric memories of the DAKTYLS, like the KABIRI representation of Original Man, deep into the evolutionary past. It is said that the first wise men descended from the DAKTYLS. Were they the first to introduce language back in 500,000 B.C.? Homo sapien, recall, does mean "wise or intelligent man."

Whatever they were called and wherever they were found, The Children of Gaiety all shared the same attributes - a connection with the feminine power, the mother of the gods; a working of the magical arts and warding off of harm, all dancing down the forces of nature in the midst of a great din. In fact, the ancient writers often used their names as a synonym for the "magician."


That is the Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah story and is THAT to which God abandoned the Jews when they rejected Grace. Jesus may agree when He said that HE was from above but the Jews were from below: He did not pray for THE WORLD and said that neither He nor His lost flock were OF the World.



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March 8th, 2017, 9:08 am #3

I've been coming across this phrase on many websites on the internet (Judeao Christian values). It makes no sense to me, as the Law of Moses was ended when Christ came. Can we discuss some verses that will help combat this misrepresentation of the truth? Also, I've been reading the comment, "that Jesus was a Jew ". From what I understand the term Jew was not in the vocabulary until much later. Any comments?
Wikipedia has pretty good articles for these terms. "Jew" or a similar or cognate word is well attested in the O.T. Often Esther:2 is used as an example.

"Judeao-Christian" is not a religious term, but a fairly recent use intended to describe an ethical and overall religious attitude descended from Judaism through Christianity. It is almost exclusively American, but I understand becoming somewhat moore common in British usage. Jews, especially conservative Jews, often find it offensive. Consider it an extra-biblical term of use with no specific religious meaning.
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March 8th, 2017, 2:44 pm #4

The expression is a result of the Holocaust, where Christians began to identify with Jews. Theodor Herzl brought Zionism into notoriety in late 19th century and this jelled with certain evangelical circles such as Darby and 19th century utopian dreams. This is the merger of Judaism and Christianity. The evangelical support for the state of Israel is a result of this type of thinking. Zionism, by the way, is rejected by much of Judaism, where many Jews and Christians believe that there was far less Jewish prejudice BEFORE the establishment of that state and the advent of Herzlism than there is now.

Modern Christian theologians are in communion with Jewish scholars concerning the similarities of Judaism and Christianity. "Judeo-Christian", the expression of the merger of thought, is a common expression in colleges and universities with Bible and Divinity programs.

Modern thought now blames the crucifixion of Christ, not on the Jewish establishment in Jerusalem, but more on the Roman principalities during that time, particularly Pontius Pilate. The theory is that when Christianity was gaining power in the second and third centuries during the Roman Empire that the Christian writers could not blame the crucifixion on the Romans, because this is where they were getting converts, and so cast the blame on the Jewish leaders in first century Jerusalem. The Gospels however blame the crucifixion of Christ on the INTERPLAY of Roman Power with the corrupt Jewish Establishment in Jerusalem, not just on Pontius Pilate. This figure represents the guilt of the entire world, both Jew and Gentiles, in the crucifixion of the Christ.

Other than that, there are some ideas common with Judaism and Christianity, i.e. between the Old and New Testaments concerning the nature of God, man, and sin. This is what some are talking about when they say "Judeo-Christian" theology. For example, that God is one (monotheism), that man has fallen into sin and needs a savior (sin and grace), that societies should care for the poor, that the laws of God supersede the dictates of man (Daniel in the Lion's Den). Paul used the writings of the Old Testament figuratively with powerful effect, to turn them on their head, in affirming that Jesus is Lord and Messiah.

The common ground for Judaism and Christianity lies in first century life, where Jesus was able to divine the difference between sacramental Judaism, including the dietary and oral laws, and Christianity of the heart. This is where the heart, faith, the internal, intention, spirit, and grace all come in. Jesus rejects the external saving nature of the Mosaic Law. and shows that salvation comes not through obedience alone, but through a faith that brings obedience. When Christians are able to end their prayers with "In Jesus name, Amen" then we will know that Christianity is different from Judaism.

Judaism continued on after the life of Christ to incorporate the "oral tradition" into their holy books beginning the second century AD. So Judaism has a life extending centuries after Christ, with holy books explain Jewish life continuing to be written. The rock and stone of Judaism continues to be the Pentateuch (Law) as well as the Prophets and Writings (Old Testament poetic books), with supplemental material that is written centuries later in the AD era.

So it is with what is commonly called Christianity, with the development of the tradition of the Catholic Church for 2000 years. This tradition became so powerful, that the leaders of the Reformation who were choking under it, proclaimed it to be presumptive. Many of them broke the structure of the Catholic Church, but they continued many of those traditions.

It is with the Restoration Movements that life became even more exciting. This is the idea that not only should we endorse "Scriptures Alone" but we should use only the scriptures to detail every aspect of worship of Christian life.
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March 8th, 2017, 3:03 pm #5

Wikipedia has pretty good articles for these terms. "Jew" or a similar or cognate word is well attested in the O.T. Often Esther:2 is used as an example.

"Judeao-Christian" is not a religious term, but a fairly recent use intended to describe an ethical and overall religious attitude descended from Judaism through Christianity. It is almost exclusively American, but I understand becoming somewhat moore common in British usage. Jews, especially conservative Jews, often find it offensive. Consider it an extra-biblical term of use with no specific religious meaning.
So-called Messianic Jews promoted by my old "investment" at North Boulevard Church in Murfreesboro and a favorite of LU and other "workshops" is based on the Babylonian Talmud which is filled with the worst kind of teachings. These are the "traditions of the fathers, Old Wives Tales and Jewish Fables."

They claim that you cannot understand the Bible without some Jewish blood. They may be ignorant of the fact that whole countries can trace their Jewish blood through one or a few females. They claim that the New Testament continues the Old Testament and Jesus was-is the Messiah of the Jews. As of old, Gentiles duped into feeding them CAN be included. You will find few traces of Semite or darker leaders in Israel and Christians still have many difficulties.

Like Christians, they have been separated by a Godly Remnant ruled over by the Civil-Military-Clergy. When God made the NEW COVENANT it was with the HOUSE of Jacob and Judah and with Gentiles: Paul had to debunk the predestined state of the Jews in his "sermon" in Romans 9-11 and in 1 Corinthians 10. This speaks of the families as LAOS or Laity excluding Priests and Levites or Canaanites in the house (1 Corinthians 10-Isaiah:33.

The Senior Pastor from Jubilee onward is THE leader and the elders are HIS shepherds. Russ Adcox (my last investment) claims that he is the Authoritative Teacher which Jesus thought belonged to Him. The MARK of falling backwards into "those God turned over to worship the starry host" (Amos-Acts) WILL be imposed upon them and the meaning of HOLOCAUST.

Beginning with the Zoe Musical diverters, people have been praying for Holy Fires to Fall. Zoe was at Highland before ACappella became their "music minister."

http://www.piney.com/Zoe-Look-To-The-Hills.html

The IGNIS or fire starter is connected to inciter, exciter:

Abilene Christian University Press has recently issued "God's Holy Fire is highly endorsed by Royce Money, ACU president. "God's Holy Fire promises to challenge and enrich current study of the Bible in our churches...A must-read for Christians commited to applying God's Word to their daily lives. Ken Cukrowski, Mark Hamilton, and James Thompson ACU Press."

http://www.piney.com/Gods.Holy.Fire.ACU.html

http://www.piney.com/Elaine.Heath.ACU.Summit.2012.html

ELAINE HEATH CHAPTER 10 TONGUES OF FIRE.

[159] What we really need today are new tongues of fire, a new Pentecost in American. This alone will open us to the divine hospitality that is so radical that the walls of gender, race, and class dissolve in its healing reach. We need a Pentcostal outpouring that is about the love of God, a mighty wind that sweeps away the sinful cast systems that have deformed the Americal Church. We need a baptism of cleansing that will heal the wounds of domestic violence and sexual abuse, that will liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor, tht will send God's people out of the church into their neighborhoods with God's redeeming and reconciling love....The untamed presence of the living God is the only power that can heal the threefold wound. Nothing else will do.
I am talking about a widespread surrender and obedience to God the Holy Spirit. Outside of North America, Pentecostalism is the fastest form of Christianity in the World. It is pan-denominational.


LU has also featured a female calling for the FIRES TO FALL.

-Incentor, I. one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).
I. Lit.: “carminis,” Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32: “incentore canam Phoebo [APOLLON Musisque magistris,
II. Trop., an inciter, exciter: “igneus turbarum,” Amm. 15, 1, 2: “civilis belli,” Oros. 5, 19: “rebellionis totius,”

The Musisque Magistris includes "A mistress, superior, conductress, directress" of music." C. Phoebas , ădis, f., a priestess of Apollo; hence the inspired one, the prophetess,


The Muses aka LOCUSTS were under direction of Apollo or Apollyon.



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March 8th, 2017, 3:05 pm #6

The expression is a result of the Holocaust, where Christians began to identify with Jews. Theodor Herzl brought Zionism into notoriety in late 19th century and this jelled with certain evangelical circles such as Darby and 19th century utopian dreams. This is the merger of Judaism and Christianity. The evangelical support for the state of Israel is a result of this type of thinking. Zionism, by the way, is rejected by much of Judaism, where many Jews and Christians believe that there was far less Jewish prejudice BEFORE the establishment of that state and the advent of Herzlism than there is now.

Modern Christian theologians are in communion with Jewish scholars concerning the similarities of Judaism and Christianity. "Judeo-Christian", the expression of the merger of thought, is a common expression in colleges and universities with Bible and Divinity programs.

Modern thought now blames the crucifixion of Christ, not on the Jewish establishment in Jerusalem, but more on the Roman principalities during that time, particularly Pontius Pilate. The theory is that when Christianity was gaining power in the second and third centuries during the Roman Empire that the Christian writers could not blame the crucifixion on the Romans, because this is where they were getting converts, and so cast the blame on the Jewish leaders in first century Jerusalem. The Gospels however blame the crucifixion of Christ on the INTERPLAY of Roman Power with the corrupt Jewish Establishment in Jerusalem, not just on Pontius Pilate. This figure represents the guilt of the entire world, both Jew and Gentiles, in the crucifixion of the Christ.

Other than that, there are some ideas common with Judaism and Christianity, i.e. between the Old and New Testaments concerning the nature of God, man, and sin. This is what some are talking about when they say "Judeo-Christian" theology. For example, that God is one (monotheism), that man has fallen into sin and needs a savior (sin and grace), that societies should care for the poor, that the laws of God supersede the dictates of man (Daniel in the Lion's Den). Paul used the writings of the Old Testament figuratively with powerful effect, to turn them on their head, in affirming that Jesus is Lord and Messiah.

The common ground for Judaism and Christianity lies in first century life, where Jesus was able to divine the difference between sacramental Judaism, including the dietary and oral laws, and Christianity of the heart. This is where the heart, faith, the internal, intention, spirit, and grace all come in. Jesus rejects the external saving nature of the Mosaic Law. and shows that salvation comes not through obedience alone, but through a faith that brings obedience. When Christians are able to end their prayers with "In Jesus name, Amen" then we will know that Christianity is different from Judaism.

Judaism continued on after the life of Christ to incorporate the "oral tradition" into their holy books beginning the second century AD. So Judaism has a life extending centuries after Christ, with holy books explain Jewish life continuing to be written. The rock and stone of Judaism continues to be the Pentateuch (Law) as well as the Prophets and Writings (Old Testament poetic books), with supplemental material that is written centuries later in the AD era.

So it is with what is commonly called Christianity, with the development of the tradition of the Catholic Church for 2000 years. This tradition became so powerful, that the leaders of the Reformation who were choking under it, proclaimed it to be presumptive. Many of them broke the structure of the Catholic Church, but they continued many of those traditions.

It is with the Restoration Movements that life became even more exciting. This is the idea that not only should we endorse "Scriptures Alone" but we should use only the scriptures to detail every aspect of worship of Christian life.
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March 8th, 2017, 5:59 pm #7

I've been coming across this phrase on many websites on the internet (Judeao Christian values). It makes no sense to me, as the Law of Moses was ended when Christ came. Can we discuss some verses that will help combat this misrepresentation of the truth? Also, I've been reading the comment, "that Jesus was a Jew ". From what I understand the term Jew was not in the vocabulary until much later. Any comments?
Why do the HEATHEN--then and now--RAGE?

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.2.Why.Heathen.Rage.html




In a good sense consistent with the SPEAKING and then making melody IN THE HEART as a PLACE.

<font face="arial" size="4">Eph. 5:19 SPEAKING to yourselves IN psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody IN YOUR HEART TO THE LORD.
Eph. 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;





Singing and MELOS or melody was Speaking Syllable by Syllable: The PATTERN was to TEACH with that which is written for our learning.

<font face="arial" size="4">1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
[Public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, [TEACHING]
.....with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Tim. 4:15 MEDITATE upon these things;
.....give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
.....and unto the DOCTRINE; continue in them:
.....for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE thyself, and them that HEAR thee.


That defines INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY the pattern defined for the Church in the wilderness: PREACH the WORD by READING the WORD.

THE REASON BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ARE TO BE QUIET AND SEDENTARY:

Phil. 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving
.....let your requests be made known unto God.
Phil. 4:7 And thePEACE (silence) of God, which passeth all understanding,
.....shall keep your HEARTS and MINDS through Christ Jesus.

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brethren,
.....whatsoever things are true,
.....whatsoever things are honest,
.....whatsoever things are just,
.....whatsoever things are pure,
.....whatsoever things are lovely,
.....whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
.....and if there be any praise, THINK on these things.

Phil. 4:9 Those things, which
.....ye have both learned,
.....and received,
.....and heard,
.....and seen in me, do:
.....and the God of PEACE shall be with you.


G1515. eirene, ; probably from a primary verb eiro (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication, prosperity: — one, PEACE, QUIETNESS, REST+ set at ONE AGAIN

THINK is not something you do with a VOODOO DRUM:

g3049. logizomai, log-idЂ-zom-ahee; middle voice from 3056; to take an inventory, i.e. estimate (literally or figuratively): — conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).

THE ONLY RESOURCE IS ALWAYS INCLUDED AS THE LOGOS

g3056. logos, logЂ-os; from 3004;

This is the Regulative Principle, opposite of personal opinions, personal experiences, singing, playing instruments, acting or anything to create the LADED BURDEN meaning "Spiritual anxiety produced by religious ceremony."

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Reasonable worship is WORD EXCLUSIVE: G3050. logikos, log-ik-osЂ; from 3056; rational (“logical”): — reasonable, of the word.

Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this WORLD: but be ye transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God</font>

No PhDuh can misunderstand the absolute PATTERN from the wilderness onward and never change. Of the Unity in Diversity they preach forcing YOU to submit to THEIR mercinary diversity. Jesus as Holy Spirit had Paul say that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. They are even forced to warn you that they plan to sow discord but WE WILL MOVE SLOWLY so that YOU KNOW were WE are taking you.







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March 8th, 2017, 7:41 pm #8

The gnostic Marcion tried to divorce Christianity from the Old Testament but wasn't successful.

Without that foundation, the New Testament books could not stand on their own.

After all, quotes from Old Testament are scattered throughout the New Testament.
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March 8th, 2017, 7:44 pm #9

Why do the HEATHEN--then and now--RAGE?

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.2.Why.Heathen.Rage.html




In a good sense consistent with the SPEAKING and then making melody IN THE HEART as a PLACE.

<font face="arial" size="4">Eph. 5:19 SPEAKING to yourselves IN psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody IN YOUR HEART TO THE LORD.
Eph. 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;





Singing and MELOS or melody was Speaking Syllable by Syllable: The PATTERN was to TEACH with that which is written for our learning.

<font face="arial" size="4">1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
[Public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, [TEACHING]
.....with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Tim. 4:15 MEDITATE upon these things;
.....give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
.....and unto the DOCTRINE; continue in them:
.....for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE thyself, and them that HEAR thee.


That defines INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY the pattern defined for the Church in the wilderness: PREACH the WORD by READING the WORD.

THE REASON BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ARE TO BE QUIET AND SEDENTARY:

Phil. 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving
.....let your requests be made known unto God.
Phil. 4:7 And thePEACE (silence) of God, which passeth all understanding,
.....shall keep your HEARTS and MINDS through Christ Jesus.

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brethren,
.....whatsoever things are true,
.....whatsoever things are honest,
.....whatsoever things are just,
.....whatsoever things are pure,
.....whatsoever things are lovely,
.....whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
.....and if there be any praise, THINK on these things.

Phil. 4:9 Those things, which
.....ye have both learned,
.....and received,
.....and heard,
.....and seen in me, do:
.....and the God of PEACE shall be with you.


G1515. eirene, ; probably from a primary verb eiro (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication, prosperity: — one, PEACE, QUIETNESS, REST+ set at ONE AGAIN

THINK is not something you do with a VOODOO DRUM:

g3049. logizomai, log-idЂ-zom-ahee; middle voice from 3056; to take an inventory, i.e. estimate (literally or figuratively): — conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).

THE ONLY RESOURCE IS ALWAYS INCLUDED AS THE LOGOS

g3056. logos, logЂ-os; from 3004;

This is the Regulative Principle, opposite of personal opinions, personal experiences, singing, playing instruments, acting or anything to create the LADED BURDEN meaning "Spiritual anxiety produced by religious ceremony."

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Reasonable worship is WORD EXCLUSIVE: G3050. logikos, log-ik-osЂ; from 3056; rational (“logical”): — reasonable, of the word.

Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this WORLD: but be ye transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God</font>

No PhDuh can misunderstand the absolute PATTERN from the wilderness onward and never change. Of the Unity in Diversity they preach forcing YOU to submit to THEIR mercinary diversity. Jesus as Holy Spirit had Paul say that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. They are even forced to warn you that they plan to sow discord but WE WILL MOVE SLOWLY so that YOU KNOW were WE are taking you.







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But Marcion did point out difficulties that have yet to be resolved!
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March 8th, 2017, 8:01 pm #10

The local elders (not apt) gave me a lot of trouble because in a men's class on Romans a couple of us were tying Romans back to the Old Testament. Now, they are appealing to the Jacob-cursed and God-Abandoned Levites as their PATTERN for deliberately sowing discord and adding instruments including something like a Voodoo drum.

Give us some Marcion and see what we can do with it. Didn't he collect a couple of female prophetesses and claim some supernatural contact. As I remember it both prophetesses killed themselves on the same day.
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