Addressed to LU Bible Students

Addressed to LU Bible Students

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August 28th, 2010, 3:19 am #1

I have reviewed some of the class material by John Mark Hicks. I might prove helpful that I have added the actual text to make the evaluation more Biblical. You may have to fake it if you want a passing grade.

John Mark Hicks: Rules replaced by Spiritism?

http://www.piney.com/Hicks.Rapprochement.html

My post attributing the neo-trinitarianism or tritheism at Lipscomb to H. Leo Boles needs ammending to include Harding's earlier push to make the bodily indwelling of a separate Spirit person the credo of churches of Christ in the S.E.

The Grace - Spirit Harding patternism

http://www.piney.com/Holy.Spirit.Harding.Hicks.html

John Mark favorably reviews the Nashville as opposed to the Texas patternism which includes premillenialism still rampant along with other false teachings.

Holy Spirit Presence of the Coming Age.

http://www.piney.com/John.Mark.Hicks.Ho ... sence.html

This will confirm Jesus who said that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." John Mark follows the theological patternism of looking up references in a topical index and then fabricating a theology to match. Almost universally you will discover that the Bible contradicts them and makes their teaching answer to John's definition of anti-christ.
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Ray
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September 2nd, 2010, 12:26 pm #2

Ken's attack on John Mark Hicks is unprovoked. No concerned member of LU has come to Ken to voice their concerns. No concerned strudent of LU has come to Ken to voice their concerns. No concerned parent of a student of LU has initiated this attack.

Ken is decisive and has been marked as such. He does not serve God in his unprovoked attacks.
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Donnie
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September 2nd, 2010, 4:27 pm #3

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ray,

Are you that opposed to freedom of speech?

John Mark is being "marked" -- that's all. Mr. Hicks is one of those that the Scripture is alluding to: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Rom. 16:17).[/color]
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September 2nd, 2010, 7:01 pm #4

I incent being called decisive!
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Lu alumni...

September 6th, 2012, 4:41 am #5

You incest being called decisive?
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Duane K Estill
Duane K Estill

September 7th, 2012, 1:37 pm #6

I incent being called decisive!
So the students, staff, parents, and concerned others need to be warned, in the first place? They need to be warned by none other than you? And they are incapable of seeing these, to you, issues that are so glaringly detrimental to truth, that bad.....that just in case they aren't seen by everyone as obviously horrible as you take them to be....then it's really YOU that truly knows and understands, and his the insight to save us all?? Is that it?

You never state a unique position. Your entire approach is simply that of a fatalistic, defensive, knee-jerk reactionary. No creativity, no originality. Yet....even Dr. Hicks, and anyone like him, has to think and articulate things JUST LIKE YOU, or they need to be marked and avoided.

Is that your plan?

Do you think Lipscomb should put you in charge of their Bible Department to really "set everything straight." I'd like to see the course list. "Kee-Jerk Mark and Avoid 101," "Anyone that is different than you is really really bad 102."

Why don't you state some solid positions, and interact with positions, instead of just assuming the falseness of what it is you are presently attacking? State what it is that you see good about our fellowship, our brethren, about Dr. Hicks? Oh...you don't see anything good? Well...that is your problem, not the fellowship's or Dr. Hicks'. You never have anything good to say about anyone but yourself. In order to believe anything you write....we must ASSUME that the other guy is completely and utterly wrong and there is nothing good or positive and that they are destroying the church. You never mention a middle ground, you never advocate any kindness or personal contact. Why don't you go have coffee with Dr. Hicks and talk to him face to face instead of attacking from behind? You would never do that, would you?

You require zero interaction and isolation in order to maintain the facade you present to the world. You must operated in this isolated manner because the slightest interaction causes you to lose the control you so desparately require in order to maintain your image and appearance. When in fact, you would not be able to say what you said about Dr. Hicks, in the manner that you did, if you had initiated the least bit of contact with him. No, we can't have that, YOU can't have that. Why? Because you're not interested in that. You're only interested in propping yourself up, in utter isolation, as the one true person who understands really really what's going on. Where are you positive positions? Where is your formulated series of thoughts? There aren't any because your entire program consists exclusively on attack, criticism, and false, conflated and high handed claims against any that do not think and write exactly like you.

There is no need to "mark" you.....for this biggest mark on you is the mark you have created, and the mark that increases ever more with every attack you print. Your condemnation is already within the words you have written, you're marks on others constitute only a larger mark against you. You, to all indications in the spirit of your writing, live in an awfully isolated, and lonely, negative, angry, condemnatory, and very very small, world.
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September 9th, 2012, 3:34 pm #7

Ignatius the early "Church Father" who repudiates the teachings of the Ignatius of Loyala the SPIRITUAL TERRORIST. The Jesuits are a MILITANT group in hire of the Pope to force conversions or be murdered. Other favorites are John Ortberg of Willow Creek: the Germans rejected the group as being to much like a Para-military group. On the other hand, Ignatius repudiates all of the false teachings promoted by those who have never read anything Ignatius ever wrote.

http://www.piney.com/Lipscomb.Universit ... treat.html

A Personal Ignatian Retreat: Opening to the Presence of Christ in All Things

Reminding the Romans (also Corinthians 10) about the Musical Idolatry of the Egyptian trinity:

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,
That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,
Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it?
The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;


Ignatian Spirituality
The Spiritual Exercises by Barry, SJ
William Barry SJ - women and ordiantion
Lipscomb Ignatian Retreat:
Resting on over 200 wooded and landscaped acres with a magnificent bluff view, St. Mary's Sewanee provides a sacred space in which guests may meet, bring their own group programs, engage in a personal retreat, or participate in program offerings by St. Mary's Sewanee.. There is a labyrinth on which to trace a sacred path.

http://www.piney.com/MuClement.html

Clement of Alexandria
<font color="#0000FF"> Do not play the tyrant, O man, over beauty, nor offer foul insult to youth in its bloom. Keep beauty pure, that it may be truly fair. Be king over beauty, not its tyrant. Remain free, and then I shall acknowledge thy beauty, because thou hast kept its image pure: then will I worship that true beauty which is the archetype of all who are beautiful.

Now the grave of the debauched boy is the temple and town of Antinous. For just as temples are held in reverence, so also are sepulchres, and pyramids, and mausoleums, and labyrinths, which are temples of the dead, as the others are sepulchres of the gods. As teacher on this point, I shall produce to you the Sibyl prophetess:- [Revelation 17 The Great Mother]

"Not the oracular lie of Phoebus, [Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon]
Whom silly men called God, and falsely termed Prophet;
But the oracles of the great God, who was not made by men's hands,
Like dumb idols of Sculptured stone. (Vulg., Sibyllini, p. 253. )


THE EXERCISES OF IGNATIUS VALIDATE THE WORSHIP OF THE MOTHER OF GODS

FIRST EXERCISE First Prelude. The First Prelude is a composition, seeing the place. a Temple or Mountain where Jesus Christ or Our Lady is found,

Second: The first Colloquy to Our Lady, that she may get me grace from Her Son and Lord for three things:
just when I want to go asleep, to think, for the space of a HAIL MARY
in presence of Thy infinite Goodness and in presence of Thy glorious Mother and of all the Saints of the heavenly Court

Third: and likewise what the Angel and Our Lady are doing, namely, the Angel doing his duty as ambassador, and Our Lady humbling herself and giving thanks to the Divine Majesty;
thinking what I ought to say to the Three Divine Persons, or to the Eternal Word incarnate, or to our Mother and Lady,

One Colloquy to Our Lady, that she may get me grace from Her Son and Lord that I may be received under His standard;
and with that a HAIL MARY
. Etc.,,,,



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September 11th, 2012, 2:58 am #8

The Command of Christ the Rock in the wilderness had two inclusive components:

READ the Word: Exodus 18 made provision for small groups
REHEARSE or Meditate on that Word (only)

That Pattern is repeated over and over:
SPEAK to yourselves in the Biblical Text.
Meditate (Mele not Melos) in the HEART.

The Campbells defined the Assembly as excluding all of the society functions and
READ and MUSE about the Word of God.

If you meditate out of your OWN heart then God says that your IMAGINATION is evil continually. It's Simple, Simon: if man could have meditated truth then Jesus died in vain.

In the Epistle of Barabas c. ad 100

http://www.piney.com/FathEpBarna.html

What, then, does he mean?

That we ought to join ourselves to those that fear the Lord,

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those who meditate in their heart on the commandment which they have received,
.....those who both utter the judgments of the Lord and observe them,
........those who know that meditation is a work of gladness,
........and who ruminate upon the word of the Lord.

Lightfoot's Translation: Barnabas 10:11 Again Moses saith; Ye shall everything that divideth the hoof and cheweth the cud. What meaneth he?

He that receiveth the food knoweth Him that giveth him the food, and being refreshed appeareth to rejoice in him.

Well said he, having regard to the commandment. What then meaneth he?

Cleave unto those that fear the Lord,

.....with those who meditate in their heart
.....on the distinction of the word which they have received,

with those who tell of the ordinances of the Lord and keep them,
with those who know that meditation is a work of gladness

.....and who chew the cud of the word of the Lord.

But why that which divideth the hoof?

.....Because the righteous man both walketh in this world,
.....and at the same time looketh for the holy world to come.
.....Ye see how wise a lawgiver Moses was.

And if you have any remembrance of what is good, be mindful of me, meditating on these things, in order that both my desire and watchfulness may result in some good. I beseech you, entreating this as a favour. While yet you are in this fair vessel, do not fail in any one of those things, but unceasingly seek after them, and fulfil every commandment; for these things are worthy. Wherefore I have been the more earnest to write to you, as my ability served, that I might cheer you. Farewell, ye children of love and peace.

The Lord of glory and of all grace be with YOUR spirit. Amen.
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September 17th, 2012, 5:13 pm #9

I have reviewed some of the class material by John Mark Hicks. I might prove helpful that I have added the actual text to make the evaluation more Biblical. You may have to fake it if you want a passing grade.

John Mark Hicks: Rules replaced by Spiritism?

http://www.piney.com/Hicks.Rapprochement.html

My post attributing the neo-trinitarianism or tritheism at Lipscomb to H. Leo Boles needs ammending to include Harding's earlier push to make the bodily indwelling of a separate Spirit person the credo of churches of Christ in the S.E.

The Grace - Spirit Harding patternism

http://www.piney.com/Holy.Spirit.Harding.Hicks.html

John Mark favorably reviews the Nashville as opposed to the Texas patternism which includes premillenialism still rampant along with other false teachings.

Holy Spirit Presence of the Coming Age.

http://www.piney.com/John.Mark.Hicks.Ho ... sence.html

This will confirm Jesus who said that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." John Mark follows the theological patternism of looking up references in a topical index and then fabricating a theology to match. Almost universally you will discover that the Bible contradicts them and makes their teaching answer to John's definition of anti-christ.
Lectio (read a bit of the word to MAKE contact, then DIVINA meaning DIVINATION or witchcraft to prophesy or hear the gods directly.



The old wives were: Graodes (g1126) grah-o'-dace; from graus , (an old woman) and 1491; crone-like, i.e. silly: - old wives.

1133 gunaikarion: foolish woman: -- silly woman.
1136 Gog: Gog, a symbolic name for some future Anti-Christ.


"Paul called the teachings 'profane' and 'fit only for old women,' a strong indication that women were the teachers. There isn't any doubt Jesus identified Jezebel as a false prophetess and teacher who taught heresies mixed with sexual immorality (Rev. 3:20). From the available information it can be deduced she was a Gnostic teacher." (Trombley, Who Says Women Can't Teach, p. 165)

Graodes is the derogatory word used for 'old women' when they are being silly or mislead. So it is an idiom for anyone stupid enough to come under the influence of evil.}


The feminist movement, which began as a political, economic, and social struggle, is opening to a spiritual dimension. In the process, many women are discovering the old religion, reclaiming the word wl'tch and, with it, some of our lost culture.

Witchcraft, today, is a kaleidoscope of diverse traditions, rituals, theologies, and structures. But underneath the varying forms is a basic orientation common to all the craft.

The outer forms of religion-the particular words said, the signs made, the names used-are less important to us than the inner forms, which cannot be defined or described but must be felt and intuited.

The craft is earth religion, and our basic orientation is to the earth, to life, to nature. There is no dichotomy between spirit and flesh, no split between Godhead and the world. The Goddess is manifest in the world; she brings life into being, is nature, is flesh. Union is not sought outside the world in some heavenly sphere or through dissolution of the self into the void beyond the senses. Spiritual union is found in life, within nature, passion, sensuality-through being fully human, fully one's self. Our great symbol for the Goddess is the moon, whose three aspects reflect the three stages in women's lives and whose cycles of waxing and waning coincide with women's menstrual cycles.

As the new moon or crescent, she is the Maiden, the Virgin-not chaste, but belonging to herself alone, not bound to any man. She is the wild child, lady of the woods, the huntress, free and untamed-Artemis, Kore, Aradia, Nimue. White is her color. As the full moon, she is the mature woman, the sexual being, the mother and nurturer, giver of life, fertility, grain, offspring, potency, joy-Tana, Demeter, Diana, Ceres, Mari. Her colors are the red of blood and the green of growth.

As waning or dark moon, she is the old woman, past menopause,

the hag or crone that is ripe with wisdom, patroness of secrets, prophecy, divination, inspiration, power-Hecate, Ceridwen, Kati, Anna. Her color is the black of night. The Goddess is also earth-Mother Earth, who sustains all growing things, who is the body, our bones and cells.

She is air-the winds that move in the trees and over the waves, breath. She is the fire of the hearth, of the blazing bonfire and the fuming volcano; the power of transformation and change. And she is water-the sea, original source of life; the rivers, streams, lakes and wells; the blood that flows in the rivers of our veins. She is mare, cow, cat, owl, crane, flower, tree, apple, seed, lion, sow, stone, woman. She is found in the world around us, in the cycles and seasons of nature, and in mind, body, spirit, and emotions within each of us. Thou art Goddess.

I am Goddess. All that lives (and all that is, lives), all that serves life, is Goddess. Because witches are oriented to earth and to life, we value spiritual qualities that I feel are especially important to women, who have for so long been conditioned to be passive, submissive and weak. The craft values independence, personal strength, self-not petty selfishness but that deep core of strength within that makes us each a unique child of the Goddess.

The craft has no dogma to stifle thought, no set of doctrines that have to be believed. Where authority exists, within covens, it is always coupled with the freedom every covener has, to leave at any time.

When self is valued-in ourselves-we can see that self is everywhere. Passion and emotion-that give depth and color and meaning to human life-are also valued.

Witches strive to be in touch with feelings, even if they are sometimes painful, because the joy and pleasure and ecstasy available to a fully alive person make it worth occasional suffering.

So-called negative emotion-anger-is valued as well, as a sign that something is wrong and that action needs to be taken. Witches prefer to handle anger by taking action and making changes rather than by detaching ourselves from our feelings in order to reach some nebulous, "higher" state. Most of all, the craft values love.

The Goddess' only law is "Love unto all beings."

But the love we value is not the airy flower power of the hippies or the formless, abstracted agape of the early Christians.

It is passionate, sensual, personal love, eros, falling in love, mother-child love, the love of one unique human being for other individuals, with all their personal traits and idiosyncrasies.

Love is not something that can be radiated out in solitary meditation-it manifests itself in relationships and interractions with other people. It is often said "You cannot be a witch alone"-because to be a witch is to be a lover, a lover of the Goddess, and a lover of other human beings.

The coven is still the basic structure of the craft, and generally covens meet at the times of full moons and the major festivals,
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September 18th, 2012, 1:22 am #10

My quick take on Lipscombs false teaching: you can have all of the double negatives you can find!

http://www.piney.com/Lipscomb.Universit ... treat.html

Links to the real Ignatius along with his theology which repudiates the FOUNDATION of Lipscombs theology and especially Spiritual Formation where they attempt to replace the Spirit OF Christ in His Word which He claims has the only transforming power.

http://www.piney.com/Divination.and.Lectio.Divina.html

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/seil/seil11.htm

FIRST EXERCISE First Prelude. find in your imagination (evil imagination is the reason for sending Jesus Christ) a Temple or Mountain where Jesus Christ or Our Lady is found,

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.


THIRD EXERCISE: The first Colloquy to Our Lady, that she may get me grace from Her Son and Lord for three things:

FIFTH EXERCISE: just when I want to go asleep, to think, for the space of a HAIL MARY, Second prelude: think about Purgatory

SECOND WEEK THIRD POINT: I make my oblation with Thy favor and help, in presence of Thy infinite Goodness and in presence of Thy glorious Mother and of all the Saints of the heavenly Court;

THIRD POINT: and likewise what the Angel and Our Lady are doing, namely, the Angel doing his duty as ambassador, and Our Lady humbling herself and giving thanks to the Divine Majesty

Etc, etc, etc
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