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December 27th, 2016, 5:00 am #11

Mark Henderson of Quail Springs followed Rick Atchley's rationale (?) for imposing instruments. Of the 900 members when the announcement was made about 300 walked out then or shortly. They had become ecumenical with a Baptist Group which was always glade to "unite" to steal your sheep. Things degenerated until the property had to be sold.

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If you watch the sermons you can see the instruments. Why do you suppose that people will SELF DESTRUCT just to enthuse over boys and girls picking and frowning?

Where did all of the money qo? Maybe someone can tell.

Bruce Macintyre handles Truth Casting at Quail. Bruce was imported by Russ Adcox returning with a Purpose Driven Agenda which included changing the name, women participation, being cozy with denominations but not the "low class church", and ready to impose instruments. Ooops! that was after they picked my pocket because they knew their hidden agenda after trying the "masculine journey" at Promise Keepers 1996 which was the same soul-rupturing of my investment in Seattle. It will make Dave happy that you can't even fool an earthworm three times in a row

Bruce went to Quail Springs and became a part of the Instrumental Dislocation. God will always get you when you lie to Him and About Him.

Thalrgelia in Greek religion, one of the chief festivals of Apollo at Athens, celebrated on the sixth and seventh days of Thargelion (May-June). Basically a vegetation ritual upon which an expiatory rite was grafted, the festival was named after the first fruits, or the first bread from the new wheat.

On the first day of the festival, one or two men (or a man and a woman), representing the deity but also acting as scapegoats for community guilt, were first led through the city and then driven out. Occasionally, as in times of heavy calamity, they were sacrificed, being either thrown into the sea or burned on a funeral pyre . On the second day of the festival, there were a thanks offering, a procession, and the official registration of adopted persons. On the second day choruses of men and boys took part in musical contests, the prize for which was a tripod. Further, on this day adopted persons were solemnly received into the genos and phratria of their adoptive parents.

The use of scapegoats [cappella] has a long and varied history involving many kinds of animals, as well as human beings. In ancient Greece, human scapegoats (pharmakos) were used to mitigate a plague or other calamity or even to prevent such ills. The Athenians chose a man and woman for the festival of Thargelia. After being feasted, the couple was led around the town, beaten with green twigs, driven out of the city, and possibly even stoned. In this way the city was supposedly protected from ill fortune for another year.


The "fruitish" staff of the Babylon Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) were craftsmen, speakers, singers or instrument players: John called them SORCERERS [pharma] who HAD once deceived the whole world. Therefore they would be or are being CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The Pharmakos defines the SORCERY

Epôidê Ion. and poet. epa^oidê , hê, A. song sung to or over: hence, enchantment, spell, epaoidêi d' haima..eschethon Od.19.457 , cf. Pi.P.4.217 ; ou pros iatrou sophou thrênein epôidas pros tomônti pêmati S.Aj. 582 oute pharmaka..oud' au epôidai Pl.R. 426b ; charm for or against

Hebrew Sa'ir La-'aza'zel ("goat for Azazel"), in the Old Testament ritual of Yom Kippur (Lev. 16:8&10), a goat symbolically burdened with the sins of the Jewish people. Some scholars believe that the animal was chosen by lot to placate Azazel, a wilderness demon, then outside Jerusalem to rid the nation of its iniquities.

Jesus makes the choice of time to come and remove the LAMPS at the same time He removes the sorcerers (singers, players, actors). Perhaps without knowing it those who confess to rejecting Scripture in favor of 'theology' (the study of Apollon in the Greek) picked on the A CAPPELLA mark of the castratos in a vain attempt to DIVERT God's wrath from them?

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December 27th, 2016, 3:00 pm #12

'I don't want to work
I want to bang on the drum all day
I don't want to play
I just want to bang on the drum all day'

--ask me if you need to know the author--
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December 27th, 2016, 4:45 pm #13

Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

Psalm 103:1-2 KJV
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December 27th, 2016, 4:48 pm #14

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Please note the date of this article. It's been almost 2 years. How is progress coming along? Does anyone know?[/color]

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /24499691/
[color=#000000" size="5" face="times]Church of Christ opens door to musical instruments

Heidi Hall, The Tennessean 12:47 p.m. EST March 6, 2015[/color]

<font size="4">BRENTWOOD, Tenn. — A Nashville-area church is starting something radical — at least by Church of Christ standards — allowing musical instruments at one of its Sunday services.

It's such a switch for Otter Creek Church, a 1,800-member traditionally a cappella congregation, that its leadership team spent months deciding a strategy and will take months more putting it in place.

About 20 of 12,000 Church of Christ congregations nationwide offer instrumental music, said Carl H. Royster, author of a survey published by Nashville-based 21st Century Christian publishers.

The first handful started making the change about a decade ago, including popular megachurch leader Max Lucado's Oak Hills Church in San Antonio. Some faced backlash from other congregations.

Church music wars battle for souls with song (In many U.S. churches today, worship musicians bang the drums for God and singers croon as if Christ were their boyfriend .... http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/rel ... 51247368/1 )

Even now, 13 years after The Branch, a multicampus Church of Christ congregation in Dallas, introduced instrumental music, Google searches on it and senior minister Chris Seidman yield scathing denunciations.

"A lot of churches from our heritage cut us off," said Seidman, whom Otter Creek leaders consulted leading up to this week's announcement. "But the larger Churches of Christ, they were actually very firm in embracing us."

Tennessee has the second-highest number of Church of Christ congregations in the USA with nearly 150 in Nashville's home county of Davidson and Williamson County, where Brentwood is located, alone.

Church of Christ commitment to a cappella dates to the faith's emergence in the 1800s Restoration Movement.

Churches of Christ don't consider themselves a denomination since they have no central hierarchy, but from the beginning, autonomous congregations shared a commitment to simplicity and mirroring first-century Christians. That included not purchasing organs or organizing bands.

Scriptural citations backing the a cappella tradition include a passage in Ephesians about singing hymns and making music in the heart. But Otter Creek's preaching and teaching minister, Josh Graves, said church history is a stronger influence.

"A cappella is like Latin," Graves said. "It is beautiful. It speaks to people at a certain level, but the problem is that a lot of people don't speak Latin.

A cappella voices carry a growing trend to mainstream - USATODAY: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/mus ... rend_N.htm )

"What people in the Churches of Christ call instrumental music, other people just call music," he said. "It's English."

And in Music City, the appeal of instrumental music is undeniable. Graves said his church has no intention of alienating other congregations, only of better connecting to the community in Nashville and Brentwood.

Otter Creek, where the congregation's average age is 27, already experimented with instrumental music in a Wednesday vespers service; young adult, children's ministry, and student ministry gatherings; and special worship for Good Friday, Christmas and other holidays.

Beginning in September, one of the two Sunday services will feature instruments, Graves said.
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'I don't want to work
I want to bang on the drum all day
I don't want to play
I just want to bang on the drum all day'

--ask me if you need to know the author--


I know who wrote it and who wants to repeat the Hezekiah Pattern: at one of my investments the female teachers taught the kiddies that this was

Hezekiah gave the enemy a tour of his temple: something like boasting about all of their "space" and great works. Isaiah thought that he was foolish: his descendants would go into slavery. However, it didn't matter as long as during his time he could go to the temple and play his harp.

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December 27th, 2016, 5:13 pm #15


Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

Psalm 103:1-2 KJV
Ps 103:1 Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
Ps 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:


BLESS IS: h1288. barak, baw-rak´; a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit);

Scripture always includes the WORDS: you don't sing "bless the Lord, bless the Lord, bless the Lord."<font>

Why? Because He:

Ps 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
Ps 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
Ps 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
Ps 103:6 The LORD executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.
Ps 103:16 For the wind [ruwach "spirit"] passeth over it, and it is gone;
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and the place thereof shall know it no more.


ALWAYS CONDITIONAL:

Ps 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting
.....upon them that fear him,
.....and his righteousness unto children's children;
Ps 103:18 To such as keep his covenant,
.....and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
Ps 103:19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens;
..... and his kingdom ruleth over all.


Those who obey and are baptized have their "spirits" translated into a heavenly kingdom. Jesus Christ is the HEAD of the Church (whatever the senior pastor claims) and God's kingdom does NOT come with observation defined as religious operations beyond "that which is written for our learning."

Ps 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength,
.....that do his commandments,
.....hearkening unto the voice of his word.


His Word is Dabar or Logos the opposite of human opinion, music or acting.

Ps 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts;
.....ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

Ps 103:22 Bless the LORD,
.....all HIS works in all places of his dominion:
.....bless the LORD, O my soul.


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December 27th, 2016, 6:00 pm #16

A Worship Team is a legalistic end run around not using mechanical voices: the Purpose Driving them by using songs written for instruments it to actually modify the minds of people. In many places the introduction of a "praise team" has been such an offense that only only a very small number "go all the way."

After you have changed the bylaws and changed ownership of the "institution" making it impossible for those who have been robbed to rob it back from them. They cannot grasp the meaning of "worship IN Spirit" is a place opposite of Jerusalem or Samaria. There is no history which does not identify the very rare male singer-instrument player as having the "female sickness."

Worship Planning - Form a worship planning team that will help you plan services to correspond with the message so that all songs match the theme of the message. Introduce video projection of sermon notes and words of the songs at this point.

Hymn Arrangements - Introduce new arrangements of favorite hymns.

Introduce Some Praise Choruses - Start with a new chorus of the month.

Gradually increase the number of choruses, gauging the response of your church family as you go. Some will readily embrace this change. Others will gradually come along. Still others will reject this outright -- try to help THEM see the validity of what YOU are doing.

Move Into a Blended Service - This will happen naturally as you continue to introduce praise choruses.

Begin to Use a Praise Team - This and the next step are the most challenging part of the worship transition. When some people see a Praise Team in front of them, they think, “We are changing,” and the reaction can be extreme.

Introduce Other Instruments - Gradually de-emphasize the piano and organ while introducing other instruments like guitars and drums.

This transition can be started with Sunday night services and carefully introduced to Sunday morning. For those churches who do not have Sunday night services,one option is to start a week night praise service that utilizes these other instruments.


In the words of my old "investment" in Murfreesboro:

As leaders [meaning David Young] of North Boulevard,

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WE commit to exercising wisdom as we strike a constructive balance
.....between maintaining our continuity with the past [traditions, legalism]
.....while at the same time trying
.....to speak a language that communicates to a diverse world in the present.


Jesus, as promised, returned as Holy Spirit at Pentecost and began leading the Apostles (only) into all truth. Peter outlawed private interpretation or further expounding of the "memory" he and others were leaving. This is the WAY or Mark for false teachers. He-They believe that their silly opinions is a "spirit" person telling them to sow discord and lie, cheat and steal the church houses of widows.

WE remember the counsel of Solomon:
.....“By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established” (Prov. 24:3).
.....Styles, traditions, and methods will change with or without us.
.....WE commit to making changes wisely, carefully,
.....and with the consensus of the leadership team.


Solomon also said:
Prov. 9:1 Wisdom HATH builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:


Solomon also said:
Prov. 24:1 Be not thou envious against evil men, neither desire to be with them.
Prov. 24:2 For their heart studieth destruction, and their lips talk of mischief.

Malus carmen, i. e. an incantation, burdensome As a term of abuse, plague, mischief, torment, fraud to embezzle a thing from a person, wise or SOPHIST.

Consensus Meaning: agree with the senior pastor's program or RESIGN so we can claim CONSENSUS.

WE commit to seeking to give THE church adequate explanation
.....for changes WE make and to
.....giving the church fair time to PROCESS the changes. </font>

If you obey the command from the wilderness onward to PREACH the Word (only) by READING the Word then WE can fully understand what the READER has read: that is the direct command, the example of Jesus and the command in the epistles.

WE commit to listening to THE church as it seeks to understand
.....what the leadership at North Boulevard is doing.
WE will try to work slowly and wisely
.....so as to avoid disorder, disunity, and needless confusion
.....as WE try to speak the Gospel
.....In a world with multiple opinions and tastes. <b></b>


In fact, the Unity in Diversity means that YOU must agree with OUR diversity or YOU "should get over it or get out."

Jesus gifted ELDERS as the pastor teachers and job-one was to EXCISE the cunning craftsmen or SOPHISTS who are rhetoricians, singers or instrument players. The REASON you must do precision surgery is that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE

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December 27th, 2016, 9:07 pm #17


'I don't want to work
I want to bang on the drum all day
I don't want to play
I just want to bang on the drum all day'

--ask me if you need to know the author--


I know who wrote it and who wants to repeat the Hezekiah Pattern: at one of my investments the female teachers taught the kiddies that this was

Hezekiah gave the enemy a tour of his temple: something like boasting about all of their "space" and great works. Isaiah thought that he was foolish: his descendants would go into slavery. However, it didn't matter as long as during his time he could go to the temple and play his harp.

More about Otter Creek. Sad sacks need not hit the link.


http://ottercreek.org/about/what-we-believe/
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December 27th, 2016, 9:18 pm #18

That's where God wants you collected by the Locusts or Muses!

Proof that they do not know nor care what the Scriptures say.


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December 27th, 2016, 10:29 pm #19


More about Otter Creek. Sad sacks need not hit the link.


http://ottercreek.org/about/what-we-believe/
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]12 statements of "What We Believe" without a single scripture quoted!!!

For example: Salvation (forgiveness of sins) is received through faith BEFORE BAPTISM. "Baptism," along with "relationships" is included in a list of drawing "close to God":
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God has given the church special ways in which we can draw close to God personally and enjoy God's blessings. These include baptism, prayer, worship, preaching, Communion, Bible study, serving the poor, spiritual gifts, fasting, and relationships.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Did the elders approve this belief system written by whomever[?] ... or did they author it themselves?[/color]
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December 27th, 2016, 10:49 pm #20

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]That's what the Baptist Church, along with other Protestant denominations, teaches:
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"Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior by faith, and you are SAVED (your sins are forgiven right now). Now that you're a Christian, submit to be baptized anytime now or later [next Sunday is O.K.]."
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