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Josh
Josh

July 2nd, 2005, 7:22 am #11

I browsed some of your forums and I was just amazed and a little upset by the topics being discussed. Then I saw the 'new topic' button and was a little more hopeful. Is it possible that insted of members spending hours writing about the latest change this week or whether or not clapping is wrong for the hundredth time, that I might suggest a 'new topic'? I wonder what Christ would post if he had a forum on the web. Would it be the constant updates and arguments about church changes (whether right or wrong)? Or could it be that Christ would be more focused externally? When Christ found himself surrounded by people arguing about the 'letter of the law', do we find him engaging in that conversation? No. We find him delivering mercy to an adulterous woman, reaching out to the lost with the amazing love of God. I think there are too many people hurting and living in depravity without an understanding of who God is for me to sit around arguing with other Christians about things that bear no influence on my salvation. Let's follow Christ's example and set our mind on things above, making every effort to bring as many with us as possible. Thank you for your time.
My guess, most likely, would be that he would grab a whip and drive out the elders and the people driving change in this church. He wouldn't spend a lot of time talking about it, he would fix it.

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Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

August 28th, 2005, 8:57 pm #12

Yes, yes, b you are absolutely correct on ALL points.

I finally realized that after all of that tithing and offering and attending and sanging and clanging and feeding the parasites I was NOT GETTING any more PERFECT. So, I just QUIT. Gave up!

Finally took the advice of my friend Jesus who said COME REST with ME and I will CURE you of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" and creative ritualists. Boy, I am not getting any more perfecter but I don't sweat it any more. Kno wat i mean?

You know, I was given a chance to SEND you to the viper's den. But, I saw a Suffering Servant who needed to VENT and hyper vent. So, I said, "Hay (I am always saying "Hay"), I have learned how to take a licking and keep on ticking." So, I said, let's hang him in the wind and let him turn gently so others can see all sides and respond.

But, I am not sure: you know the Jews were turned over to worship the starry host (STARS! Get it?). So they PRETENDED to slaughter their god by slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent animals and used that MUSIC (God called it NOISE, but what doees He know?) to hide all of the horrors and THEY didn't feel any better.

So, b, if you don't BEGIN to feel better, take 100 aspirins and call me in the morning: it is 12:35 here.

Ken
Mr. Ken,

Do you happen to reside in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex?

Michael
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

August 29th, 2005, 9:03 pm #13

No, I am located outside of Hohenwald, Tennessee. In the olden times I used to always fly through the area just to get Texas pecan pie.
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Paul Joseph Chappin
Paul Joseph Chappin

September 12th, 2005, 1:22 pm #14

My guess, most likely, would be that he would grab a whip and drive out the elders and the people driving change in this church. He wouldn't spend a lot of time talking about it, he would fix it.
I think He would talk of heaven. It is a great motivation in the Christian's life. I am looking forward to it. All people need to hear of Jesus' sacrifice, but if He came back, I think He would talk of home. All that we struggle for here is found complete, true, in its greatest extreme and forever in heaven.
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September 13th, 2005, 4:07 pm #15

WOW!!!!!!!! I say, WOW!!!!!!!!!! Ken: As I read your post fire was flaming out of my screen. My hair is sticking straight back like riding a motorcycle at 110 M.P.H. I have NO idea what point you were attempting to make. "NONE!!!!!" I vividly see you are VERY angy at someone, or something, but for the love of heaven I know not what. Take a second and write one simple paragraph (leave the hate and fire out) and please tell me your point. What's going on? Who's doing what? Let me in on this situation. You never know, I may agree with you. At this point I have "NO" idea what or who you are ranting about. Jerry
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Jenna
Jenna

September 23rd, 2005, 5:33 pm #16

I am so heartbroken and disturbed over what I am reading. I am praying for each of you. In my heart, I do not believe that God is pleased. His wrath should be avoided at all costs. No power gained through eldership, servitude, or dissension (spelling?) is worth it.

I will pray for everyone in this list by name.

In Christ, Jenna
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christ-follower
christ-follower

October 6th, 2005, 2:05 am #17

  • <font color=red>Or could it be that Christ would be more focused externally? When Christ found himself surrounded by people arguing about the 'letter of the law', do we find him engaging in that conversation? No. We find him delivering mercy to an adulterous woman, reaching out to the lost with the amazing love of God. I think there are too many people hurting and living in depravity without an understanding of who God is for me to sit around arguing with other Christians about things that bear no influence on my salvation. Let's follow Christ's example and set our mind on things above, making every effort to bring as many with us as possible. Thank you for your time.</font>
Good idea: we are following Jesus. You might tell us who you are and how your church follows Jesus. How, for instance, do you deal with Jesus NOT arguing about the letter of the law. What He argued about was professionals who VIOLATED the Laws of God SO THAT they could use their OWN TRADITIONALISM or PATTERNISM because THAT is the only way they could peddle long sermons and prayers to STEAL the living of widows. YOU and none of the preacher boys will EVER find Jesus condemning ANYONE for obeying the LAWS OF GOD. Such a claim IS "spiritual adultery" just selling your IDOLATRY OF TALENT by FIRST stopping up all of the SPRINGS of living and FREE waters. No one on this forum is GETTING PAID so by definition could not be THE Pharisees.

In fact, WE disciples find Jesus teaching and FULFILLING all of the Old Testament prophecies that Messiah would come as the BRANCH to deliver the SEVEN SPIRITS or LAMPS of Divine knowledge. NO preacher grasped what the ADULTEROUS WOMAN at the well grasped: That "When Messias comes HE will tell us all things." THAT is what God in Christ spent His years doing: preaching in PARABLES so the preacher boys COULD NOT GRASP the message. Then, He left His physical body and came as THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST to lead the Apostles into ALL TRUTH which is ALL that you have for both songs and sermons. It is a fact that the MIRACLES of Jesus were relatively FEW and they tried to murder Him when He showed how limited the miracles were under the Law.

What YOU read on this forum is FREE just as Jesus packaged it as the Spirit of Christ in the Free Water of the Word which must FLOW OUTWARD from Jerusalem (Nashville) or it by definition is not free.

Some of us believe that stealing the church houses of widows is a SALVATION ISSUE. If you contribute to a "robber of temples" then you ARE a robber. If you are CLAPPING when Jesus promised to come "grieve out a hymn" with us in memory of His DEATH then you are WAY PAST a salvation issue and have slapped the God of the universe in the face. The "mental excitement" is in fact the MEANING of God pouring out His WRATH on you and the singy-clappys are a SIGN for the disciples to flee Babylon.

So, we want to warn people that 'SAVING MORE SOULS' is not a good reason to claim that USING MUSIC AND MUSICIANS is NOT a salvation issue when there is NO evidence but that Lucifer or Satan or Zoe brought it with him/her when God CAST HER AS PROFANE out of heaven. That word having the meaning of HALAL "to make self vile" or PRAISE from which the word LUCIFER is derived and Chalal translated as "play the flute, STEAL your inheritance, pollute or prostitue" is what JESUS did when He CAST OUT the musical worship team "more or less violently as one CAST OUT Satan or CAST OUT dung."

How would YOU suggest that people set their MIND ON THINGS ABOVE when the musical vandals are singing, clapping and imitating the UNIVERSAL meaning of perverted religionism?

Tell us how much money you spend on showing mercy to adulterous women when they MOST CERTAINLY will not be found in the VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL on Sunday morning. How much time do you spend and how do you spend it on teaching those living in DEPRAVITY. I mean, that is, OTHER THAN the false religionists who TRAFFICK in music which is 100% associated from the garden of Eden (and before) to Revelation 18 with a hostile takeover by perverts. How much money do you spend on people who REJECT THE CROSS by telling you that there is A LAW OF TITHING?

Now, Jesus did't spend ONE WIDOW'S MITE on adulterous widows and directly commanded our ALMS to the poor. That EXCLUDES the colleciton plate for a pagan "worship ritual." The POOR, as in Paul's NOT a command are defined as DESTITUTE or street people. What percentage of your "contribution" goes to the DESTITUTE meaning "they will starve without your help?"

Are you a Musical Performer "standing in the holy place" claiming to be God by claiming to "lead them into His presence" as MEDIATOR? Do you LISTEN to such? Do you ENABLE such? Then, this IS a salvation which begins in HEAVEN in the Bible and ends in HELL according to many clear Biblical teachings.

Furthermore, readers should be aware that Jesus never disputed the letter of the law. Jesus condemned three SECTARIAN GROUPS: The Scribes (song, sermon and book writers and preachers), Pharisees who CHANGED the law IN ORDER to teach their own and GET PAID FOR IT and the SECTARIAN Hypocrites. These were theatrical performers or actors as performance preachers, singers and instrumentalists.

All rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers, musicians and craftsmen CLAIMED to be sorcerers but the Greek language calls them all PARASITES. The "craftsmen" or KORESH (as in David) in Hebrew or TECHNE in Greek were "theater builders and stage managers." The "grinders" whose wheels made a "musical" noise were always PROSTITUTES. Sure, ALL singers in ancient paganism were DELIGHTED to be known as THE HAREM OF THE GODS. ALL proof-texts for using ANY kind of music point directly to perverted MALES grooming young boys ("ministers of the gods") for THEIR OWN USES AND ENJOYMENT. They CLAIMED that the "ritual" was a RELIGIOUS RITUAL WITH THE GODS.

Now, here is where you PROBABLY do not follow Jesus and Paul (the suffering servants) and are BROUGHT INTO CONDEMNATION and want people to lay off.

Jesus WENT OUT AND PREACHED in the cities: He read the word and explained it as Paul gave a DIRECT COMMAND to Timothy all all CHURCHES:
  • <font color=blue>AND it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. Mt.11:1

    And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. Luke 4:43</font>
Using MUSIC to PREVENT the teaching of the Word of God or the SPIRIT OF CHRIST Who wrote all of the directly commaned INSPIRED SONGS AND SERMONS, is A MORTAL SIN. There is a DIRECT COMMAND in Romans 15 to speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN, using ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH as the ONLY way to Glorify God.

In ALL of the Biblical examples musical idolatry WAS A MORTAL SIN. It caused the fall from heaven and the "fallen angels" are spirits still filling too many pulpits and "musical ministries." It caused the FALL in Eden, the FALL at Mount Sinai, the FINAL FALL of the Monarchy in Israel and Jerusalem, the MORTAL fall defined in Ezekiel and ommitted in his IDEALIZED TEMPLE, is defined as the MORTAL SIN by Josephus and would AGAIN be the mortal sin by the Levitical Warrior musicians in the FINAL FALL of Jeruselem called SODOM, is prophesied in Revelation 18:22, is defined as a MORTAL SIN by all church theologians and founders of ALL denominations and is considered a MORTAL SIN by many of the major religious groups still living.

Furthermore, ALL of the musical terms and names of Instruments (many Greek) in the Bible are connected to Satan, warrior noise makers, prostitutes and Sodomites in a religious sense. ALL of the literature from which "musicators" get their authority identify the external melody as PLUCKING as by people PLAYING religion to SEDUCE young boys.

It is THE MORTAL SIN throughout all of the Bible and identified with prostitute and Sodomite religion in ALL of the contemporaneous literature (Book of Enoch etc) and ALL of the Classical writings. YOU are left with ZERO favorable treatment of music AS religion and I can understand your PAIN. But, in ALL of the examples, music was not so much the CAUSE of a mortal fall but the MARK of a fall beyond redemption. Eat, drink and Make Mary. But, don't blame others for what you are defending. I pray daily that when Jesus returns you wil still have lambs FLEECE and widow's flesh still in your teeth. I am certain that you will hold all of the DEEDS to property and therefore ALL of your works will be burned up: lock, stock and flock

Ken
Sorry to have not responded in a while. Thank you for the dissertaion on the reasons music in the church is wrong etc. If you'll read over my original post, you'll find that was not a topic I adressed nor stated my views on. For all you know I could agree with you. The point I apparently was unclear on (I'm not sure how I'm related to the preacher boys?) was that REGARDLESS of these issues that there are obviously differences of opinion, shouldn't we be focused on those who haven't heard or those who are most ready to hear the amazing news of the gospel? I mean I know there needs to be a place where those who are angry need to discuss what they're struggling with, but I don't think they should be stuck there. I know I don't know you Ken, but I would hope that if I strongly disagreed with a body of believers, that I would first try to adress the issue with other members (which I'm sure you did), secondly give some time to see if this was a permanant situation that wouldn't be reconciled to the way I believed scriptures taught should be, and then thirdly I would move on and look for another church that I believed followed the scriptures and refocus on seeking and saving the lost. Music/no-music, clapping/no-clapping, etc/etc - don't you think that if you believe non-instrumental worship is the scriptural standard, that you should find a church who does also and just roll up your sleeves and start sharing the message of Christ? I guess my point is just that when we all have these issues that we disagree on, can't we just move on? Even if we believe music is a salvational issue, can't we find a church that feels the same and move on?
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Kat Power
Kat Power

January 3rd, 2008, 2:49 am #18

I browsed some of your forums and I was just amazed and a little upset by the topics being discussed. Then I saw the 'new topic' button and was a little more hopeful. Is it possible that insted of members spending hours writing about the latest change this week or whether or not clapping is wrong for the hundredth time, that I might suggest a 'new topic'? I wonder what Christ would post if he had a forum on the web. Would it be the constant updates and arguments about church changes (whether right or wrong)? Or could it be that Christ would be more focused externally? When Christ found himself surrounded by people arguing about the 'letter of the law', do we find him engaging in that conversation? No. We find him delivering mercy to an adulterous woman, reaching out to the lost with the amazing love of God. I think there are too many people hurting and living in depravity without an understanding of who God is for me to sit around arguing with other Christians about things that bear no influence on my salvation. Let's follow Christ's example and set our mind on things above, making every effort to bring as many with us as possible. Thank you for your time.
Maybe someone out there might give some advise on a issue we have going on at our church. About 8 or 9 months ago, our pastor who founded the church, resigned. We have about 100 members of a full gospel, mostly older church. The new pastor who we didn't research or get any references on (bad idea), has decided to fire the board that the members had voted in. The board tried to tell him that he couldn't fire the board, the congregation would have to. If you disagree with anything this new pastor says, he says "you have a contentious spirit". He now has appointed a new board, which is uncomfortable because most of this church has been good friends and we have known each other for years. He has tried to get the secretary's name off of the checking accout and told one of the board members to get on his hands and knees and beg HIS forgiveness. The 60 or so members that still have their brains engaged have hired a lawyer. We are concerned that he is trying his best to get his hands on the money that this small church has managed to save (sbout 140,000.) I am ready to take a hike, but the old (legal) board is trying to protect the church. Should we just let this guy take over and see what happens or fight the dude. He has hired a constable to be in our 100 member church in case someone gets out of line with him. We are suppose to have a business meeting this Sunday to vote his butt out but he said we couldn't have the meeting. We have a constitution that shows what he is doing is not in his power, but he just ignores it. What would you guys do? Ya'll seem pretty savvy on all this stuff. I have been told that I am not spiritual enough by this guy, (he is probably right). I have been praying about it. Maybe ya'll could too. My heart is broken because I have been going to this church since I was 12 years old (I am 47 now), and I hate to see what it is doing to everybody. It's really sad. Advise would be appreciated.
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Adrian Hardwick
Adrian Hardwick

February 7th, 2008, 6:25 am #19

  • <font color=red>Or could it be that Christ would be more focused externally? When Christ found himself surrounded by people arguing about the 'letter of the law', do we find him engaging in that conversation? No. We find him delivering mercy to an adulterous woman, reaching out to the lost with the amazing love of God. I think there are too many people hurting and living in depravity without an understanding of who God is for me to sit around arguing with other Christians about things that bear no influence on my salvation. Let's follow Christ's example and set our mind on things above, making every effort to bring as many with us as possible. Thank you for your time.</font>
Good idea: we are following Jesus. You might tell us who you are and how your church follows Jesus. How, for instance, do you deal with Jesus NOT arguing about the letter of the law. What He argued about was professionals who VIOLATED the Laws of God SO THAT they could use their OWN TRADITIONALISM or PATTERNISM because THAT is the only way they could peddle long sermons and prayers to STEAL the living of widows. YOU and none of the preacher boys will EVER find Jesus condemning ANYONE for obeying the LAWS OF GOD. Such a claim IS "spiritual adultery" just selling your IDOLATRY OF TALENT by FIRST stopping up all of the SPRINGS of living and FREE waters. No one on this forum is GETTING PAID so by definition could not be THE Pharisees.

In fact, WE disciples find Jesus teaching and FULFILLING all of the Old Testament prophecies that Messiah would come as the BRANCH to deliver the SEVEN SPIRITS or LAMPS of Divine knowledge. NO preacher grasped what the ADULTEROUS WOMAN at the well grasped: That "When Messias comes HE will tell us all things." THAT is what God in Christ spent His years doing: preaching in PARABLES so the preacher boys COULD NOT GRASP the message. Then, He left His physical body and came as THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST to lead the Apostles into ALL TRUTH which is ALL that you have for both songs and sermons. It is a fact that the MIRACLES of Jesus were relatively FEW and they tried to murder Him when He showed how limited the miracles were under the Law.

What YOU read on this forum is FREE just as Jesus packaged it as the Spirit of Christ in the Free Water of the Word which must FLOW OUTWARD from Jerusalem (Nashville) or it by definition is not free.

Some of us believe that stealing the church houses of widows is a SALVATION ISSUE. If you contribute to a "robber of temples" then you ARE a robber. If you are CLAPPING when Jesus promised to come "grieve out a hymn" with us in memory of His DEATH then you are WAY PAST a salvation issue and have slapped the God of the universe in the face. The "mental excitement" is in fact the MEANING of God pouring out His WRATH on you and the singy-clappys are a SIGN for the disciples to flee Babylon.

So, we want to warn people that 'SAVING MORE SOULS' is not a good reason to claim that USING MUSIC AND MUSICIANS is NOT a salvation issue when there is NO evidence but that Lucifer or Satan or Zoe brought it with him/her when God CAST HER AS PROFANE out of heaven. That word having the meaning of HALAL "to make self vile" or PRAISE from which the word LUCIFER is derived and Chalal translated as "play the flute, STEAL your inheritance, pollute or prostitue" is what JESUS did when He CAST OUT the musical worship team "more or less violently as one CAST OUT Satan or CAST OUT dung."

How would YOU suggest that people set their MIND ON THINGS ABOVE when the musical vandals are singing, clapping and imitating the UNIVERSAL meaning of perverted religionism?

Tell us how much money you spend on showing mercy to adulterous women when they MOST CERTAINLY will not be found in the VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL on Sunday morning. How much time do you spend and how do you spend it on teaching those living in DEPRAVITY. I mean, that is, OTHER THAN the false religionists who TRAFFICK in music which is 100% associated from the garden of Eden (and before) to Revelation 18 with a hostile takeover by perverts. How much money do you spend on people who REJECT THE CROSS by telling you that there is A LAW OF TITHING?

Now, Jesus did't spend ONE WIDOW'S MITE on adulterous widows and directly commanded our ALMS to the poor. That EXCLUDES the colleciton plate for a pagan "worship ritual." The POOR, as in Paul's NOT a command are defined as DESTITUTE or street people. What percentage of your "contribution" goes to the DESTITUTE meaning "they will starve without your help?"

Are you a Musical Performer "standing in the holy place" claiming to be God by claiming to "lead them into His presence" as MEDIATOR? Do you LISTEN to such? Do you ENABLE such? Then, this IS a salvation which begins in HEAVEN in the Bible and ends in HELL according to many clear Biblical teachings.

Furthermore, readers should be aware that Jesus never disputed the letter of the law. Jesus condemned three SECTARIAN GROUPS: The Scribes (song, sermon and book writers and preachers), Pharisees who CHANGED the law IN ORDER to teach their own and GET PAID FOR IT and the SECTARIAN Hypocrites. These were theatrical performers or actors as performance preachers, singers and instrumentalists.

All rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers, musicians and craftsmen CLAIMED to be sorcerers but the Greek language calls them all PARASITES. The "craftsmen" or KORESH (as in David) in Hebrew or TECHNE in Greek were "theater builders and stage managers." The "grinders" whose wheels made a "musical" noise were always PROSTITUTES. Sure, ALL singers in ancient paganism were DELIGHTED to be known as THE HAREM OF THE GODS. ALL proof-texts for using ANY kind of music point directly to perverted MALES grooming young boys ("ministers of the gods") for THEIR OWN USES AND ENJOYMENT. They CLAIMED that the "ritual" was a RELIGIOUS RITUAL WITH THE GODS.

Now, here is where you PROBABLY do not follow Jesus and Paul (the suffering servants) and are BROUGHT INTO CONDEMNATION and want people to lay off.

Jesus WENT OUT AND PREACHED in the cities: He read the word and explained it as Paul gave a DIRECT COMMAND to Timothy all all CHURCHES:
  • <font color=blue>AND it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. Mt.11:1

    And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. Luke 4:43</font>
Using MUSIC to PREVENT the teaching of the Word of God or the SPIRIT OF CHRIST Who wrote all of the directly commaned INSPIRED SONGS AND SERMONS, is A MORTAL SIN. There is a DIRECT COMMAND in Romans 15 to speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN, using ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH as the ONLY way to Glorify God.

In ALL of the Biblical examples musical idolatry WAS A MORTAL SIN. It caused the fall from heaven and the "fallen angels" are spirits still filling too many pulpits and "musical ministries." It caused the FALL in Eden, the FALL at Mount Sinai, the FINAL FALL of the Monarchy in Israel and Jerusalem, the MORTAL fall defined in Ezekiel and ommitted in his IDEALIZED TEMPLE, is defined as the MORTAL SIN by Josephus and would AGAIN be the mortal sin by the Levitical Warrior musicians in the FINAL FALL of Jeruselem called SODOM, is prophesied in Revelation 18:22, is defined as a MORTAL SIN by all church theologians and founders of ALL denominations and is considered a MORTAL SIN by many of the major religious groups still living.

Furthermore, ALL of the musical terms and names of Instruments (many Greek) in the Bible are connected to Satan, warrior noise makers, prostitutes and Sodomites in a religious sense. ALL of the literature from which "musicators" get their authority identify the external melody as PLUCKING as by people PLAYING religion to SEDUCE young boys.

It is THE MORTAL SIN throughout all of the Bible and identified with prostitute and Sodomite religion in ALL of the contemporaneous literature (Book of Enoch etc) and ALL of the Classical writings. YOU are left with ZERO favorable treatment of music AS religion and I can understand your PAIN. But, in ALL of the examples, music was not so much the CAUSE of a mortal fall but the MARK of a fall beyond redemption. Eat, drink and Make Mary. But, don't blame others for what you are defending. I pray daily that when Jesus returns you wil still have lambs FLEECE and widow's flesh still in your teeth. I am certain that you will hold all of the DEEDS to property and therefore ALL of your works will be burned up: lock, stock and flock

Ken
Jesus said or (at least implied) that satans kingdom was not divided and if it was how could it stand, for any kingdom divided against itself shall fall. This was all said in response to the accusation that Jesus cast out devils by the devil. But if the devils are indeed being cast out... that it was God who was doing so, and not the devil.

Isaiah said that it is the anointing which destroys the yoke- Isaiah 10:27. So when King Saul was oppressed by the "evil spirit" how was it that David eased his (King Saul) sufferings? (1 samuel 16:14-23 and 18:10...note the word "times", David ministered to Saul in that anointed yoke destroying fashion on more than one occasion!!) What purpose did the minstrel play in the hand of the Lord coming apon Elisha when the minstrel began to play his instruments? (2 Kings 3:15) And again what were the prophets that Samuel told King Saul to meet doing with musical instruments on the hill of God? (1 Samuel 10:5)- Elisha Gave us a clue.

I understand the neccessity of etymology, which brings me to my point, words evolve... which is part of the point of etymology to understand words better in the light of their origins. BUT exegesis studies the words in the text and how the words relate to the text, and what was meant by the original author. Eisegesis is the act of adding to the context which is what I believe the Church of Christ may very well be doing in the instance of instruments.
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Robert
Robert

November 17th, 2012, 11:32 pm #20

<font size=3 color=indigo face=Times New Roman>real-life,

You are very angry! I can tell. When I extracted your remarks from all the passages [the truth, thank you] that you quoted, here’s what you said:
  • <font color=red>Hey Ken, "Christ follower" is right and you are wrong, but hardly anyone here will confront your arrogance. … Tell us how good and perfect you are, tell us how you never sin. My guess is you believe that you keep all the commands (rules) perfectly.

    I usually don't do this, but I gotta tell you something, From the average christian's view point, we see your arrogance as sin. Ken Sublett is a sinner! You have no mercy for anyone, and you love to create havoc amoung your denomination, but guess what, hardly anyone listens any more. We've got you figgured out, you serve the devil, not the God of mercy. Your sin is so evident and it abounds. …

    Ken, be careful, your sin abounds. …

    Ken, I know you believe your "perfect" understanding of God's word will save you, but you are wrong, the law will only convict you of your sin and your need for mercy. …

    Ok Ken, I know what you are thinking (real-life) is wacko, everyone knows the old law has been done away with. Correct, but many like you have converted the gospel of grace into a new set of laws. Guess what, you cannot keep those perfectly either, for you are a man filled with sin! …

    I know this sounds harsh, but you need the saving grace provided for by the blood of Christ. Come to Jesus and be forgiven, accept God's mercy and be saved. Your own righteousness is filthy rags and you know it. Turn to Jesus, he has the power to forgive sin and has provided the powerful cleansing blood which takes away sin. Learn to rely on Him for your salvation, because Ken has no power of his own. Stop serving the devil, and begin serving the God of mercy. Yes, God loves even Ken, with all of his sin….</font>
I’ve never in my life read anything written by someone who thinks he is like God who knows the heart of a man. Guess what? Feel free to call Ken whatever your heart desires, but it is not your place to condemn him. Ken is “a sinner” … wow! And Ken’s “sin abounds”? And real-life is sinless and real-life’s righteousness abounds? Wow … again.

Wait … let’s see who is more arrogant? The one who thinks someone is “wacko” or the one who has judged someone a “sinner” whose “sin abounds”?

Donnie </font>
Avoid Divisive Persons
Romans 16:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
Ephesians 4:30-32 New International Version (NIV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Saved in Order to Do Good
Titus 3:1-7 New International Version (NIV)
1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
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