Donnie
Donnie

October 21st, 2010, 10:07 pm #51

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Great message of hope and change. Does it apply to certain Christians only? Or, does it also apply to you or me and others?

... demonic like the NIV? Perhaps, nothing compares to the New International perVersion. We all should be careful about translations that have doctrinal perversion tendencies and "idiosyncrasies." The translation of a text pertaining to God's grace or mercy may be similar among various translations. But a text pertaining to what one must do to be saved may vary or may be distorted. This is critical in terms of man's redemption from sins, his conversion to become a member of God's church, and his faithfulness in order to receive the PROMISE of everlasting life in heaven.[/color]

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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

October 21st, 2010, 10:10 pm #52

William,
I believe that with Jesus Christ there is always hope. You, however, show me that a man has to want to change to be conform to His Will. You have to get away from YOU and let Jesus take over your heart for that to happen. Every time I hear you respond I keep hoping.....and hoping.....and I pray.....

Proverbs 23
7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.

Also remember William that if you get away from being self-centered, and take on the Ways of our Lord, anything is possible.

Matthew 19:26 (New King James Version)
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

The NKJV.......demonic like the NIV???
I gather from Dave's change of subject that he didn't bother to check to see if Ken changed any of the text in Dave's post that Ken edited. I maintain that Dave was just itching to accuse Ken of something--anything. Beware of "Christians" who imply that they are saints, yet who persistently slam and berate those with whom they disagree; then when those "Christians" are shown to be hypocrites, they vow to "pray" for those who have exposed them as hypocrites. Their "prayers" are "crocodile prayers."
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Dave
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October 22nd, 2010, 12:59 am #53

William,
I believe that with Jesus Christ there is always hope. You, however, show me that a man has to want to change to be conform to His Will. You have to get away from YOU and let Jesus take over your heart for that to happen. Every time I hear you respond I keep hoping.....and hoping.....and I pray.....

Proverbs 23
7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.

Also remember William that if you get away from being self-centered, and take on the Ways of our Lord, anything is possible.

Matthew 19:26 (New King James Version)
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

The NKJV.......demonic like the NIV???
Donnie,
The question about NKJV being demonic like the NIV was sarcastic.....you do know that, right?

You also KNOW that the NIV is no more demonic than the KJV.......it's already been proven.
Don't go into WHY you believe that the NIV is wrong.
It's a battle you have already lost time and time again Donnie.
I prefer the New KJV.....you prefer the KJV......others prefer the NIV.....and YES.....the NIV is a good translation of our Lord's Words.
Oh, and tell William that Ken also DELETED a bit of my message. He may not have knew what he was doing (that could explain a lot his overall interpretations), but he still did it just the same.
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Sonny
Sonny

October 22nd, 2010, 1:31 am #54

Sonny wrote: "If the Corinthian church was called into the fellowship of Christ (1 Cor. 1:9), with all of their misunderstandings of worship, and unloving and braggadocious attititudes toward others, then perhaps churches listed AND NOT LISTED under 'wall of shame' are together the body of Christ?"

Wasn't Paul's letter to the Corinthian church written to straighten them out regarding their "misunderstandings of worship" and other errors? A church that promotes error falls out of the body of Christ, but if that church returns to the right path of the New Testament, it is restored to the body of Christ. However, a church that promotes error and refuses to return to the right path will remain outside the body of Christ. Can churches still receive grace if they deliberately promote that which the New Testament does not teach? I think not.
Yes, after Paul expresses thanks to God for the Corinthian church, he does discuss division and several lifestyle and worship issues for which they need to grow and mature in Christ.

Though I have still not been convinced by the authority of Scripture, that Scripture instructs or specifies instrumental worship of God as sin, I am convinced by Scripture that every congregation, instrumental and acappella, needs the grace of God as did the Corinthian church, as they learn and grow in Christ.

I realize there is a slight chance some on this site will disagree that instrumental churches have available grace.

Dr. Crump, while we will likely always disagree on these matters, you were being witty and cyber-friendly in your earlier statement about the bully remark, that "such is life". A very humorous reply that made me chuckle. We now have a new metaphor for conceptualizing our existence. Life ... is a mean bully.

-Sonny
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

October 22nd, 2010, 2:05 am #55

Donnie,
The question about NKJV being demonic like the NIV was sarcastic.....you do know that, right?

You also KNOW that the NIV is no more demonic than the KJV.......it's already been proven.
Don't go into WHY you believe that the NIV is wrong.
It's a battle you have already lost time and time again Donnie.
I prefer the New KJV.....you prefer the KJV......others prefer the NIV.....and YES.....the NIV is a good translation of our Lord's Words.
Oh, and tell William that Ken also DELETED a bit of my message. He may not have knew what he was doing (that could explain a lot his overall interpretations), but he still did it just the same.
Dave wrote of Ken: "He may not have knew [sic] what he was doing..."

I believe the correct rendering of the English is: "He may not have KNOWN what he was doing..." Poor grammar certainly doesn't strengthen a dismal argument.

Either way, it's just another one of Dave's typical insults against Ken. I'm beginning to think that Dave is unable to refrain from bashing anyone with whom he disagrees. That's not a good sign at all.
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Dave
Dave

October 22nd, 2010, 3:19 am #56

Bashing, you say William? Reviling? Slander? One word sentences William.....got to love it. Now about this bashing.....is that like you telling someone that they are full of H.A.A.H. (hot air and halitosis)? Your slander is what got you banned multiple times at Faithsite. Remember???
Remember William....what goes around comes around.
Always have.....always will.
Thanks for the grammar check.....well-worded. WAIT a second.....that's not a word either.......is it William?
Well I guess it is if you have an unabridged dictionary.....and like making up words.

ANOTHER......good day!
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

October 22nd, 2010, 4:19 am #57

Well, I guess Dave needs a little "breathing space" to work off his tantrum.
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October 22nd, 2010, 4:21 am #58

Donnie,
The question about NKJV being demonic like the NIV was sarcastic.....you do know that, right?

You also KNOW that the NIV is no more demonic than the KJV.......it's already been proven.
Don't go into WHY you believe that the NIV is wrong.
It's a battle you have already lost time and time again Donnie.
I prefer the New KJV.....you prefer the KJV......others prefer the NIV.....and YES.....the NIV is a good translation of our Lord's Words.
Oh, and tell William that Ken also DELETED a bit of my message. He may not have knew what he was doing (that could explain a lot his overall interpretations), but he still did it just the same.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

You may have overlooked my question [inadvertently?], so I'm restating it:[/color]
"Great message of hope and change. Does it apply to certain Christians only? Or, does it also apply to you or me and others?"
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Now, let me answer your questions:

(1) Yes, I do know that "the question about NKJV being demonic like the NIV was sarcastic."

(2) No, I do not know "that the NIV is no more demonic than the KJV." Just the opposite, in fact. Did you not note that I already mentioned the "New International perVersion" translation? What did that indicate to you?

The NIV can be pretty much accepted by those who are ignorant of more accurate translations out there, by those who do not care about the correct doctrine pertaining to man's part in salvation.

Older versions are more accurate than the NIV and other modern translations when denominational teachings and influences are not a factor to consider. For example, the translation of the KJV took place not long after the Protestant Reformation Movement started in Europe in the 1500s. It is clear that since it was only the Roman Catholic Church and the Reformation, denominationalism was not rampant and its influential teachings prevalent at the time of the KJV translation.

So, how many "scholars" from various denominations comprised the group of translators of the N.I.pV. in the 70s?[/color]
[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]"Other findings provide convincing evidence that the hidden agenda of the NIV is to alter Bible doctrine. The NIV has 64,098 or 10% fewer words than the King James Version.... Careful comparison of Scripture verses, such as those found in the Tables, reveals that these omissions are not random, but selective." [Mollenkott][/color]
[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Dave, "did you know that there is only one verse in the whole Bible that tells us we need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ before we are baptized? That verse is Acts 8:37. Why is it missing from the text in the NIV? (Look for yourself).

"Or what about Colossians 1:14, where it says "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." Why has "through his blood" been removed from the NIV? Do you really believe that you can be saved without the shed blood of Jesus Christ? "[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Just a sample of important doctrinal differences and omissions from the New International perVersion.[/color]
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Sonny
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October 22nd, 2010, 4:45 am #59

Instead of an honest discussion or debate about the KJV and NIV and their differences, and the positives and negatives / accuracies and inaccuracies of BOTH translations, I think this site should simply find out every congregation that now uses the NIV and add them to the "Wall Of Shame".

-Sonny

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October 22nd, 2010, 5:24 am #60

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Sonny,

That's an excellent point. But we should consider the difference between:

(1) practicing what is taught [as in instrumental music]
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(2) applying what is read [as in the NIV].

Thanks to the knowledge of the truth learned by members from reading and studying unaltered translations of the Bible and to the ability to discern the difference between the good and perverted versions.

At least we have identified the leaders of congregations listed in the "Wall of Shame" that practice operation of mechanical music in the assembly. Here's a sample:[/color]
  • The Richland Hills Church of Christ, North Richland Hills, TX, Rick Atchley, minister
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  • The Quail Springs Church of Christ, Oklahoma City, OK., Mark Henderson, minister.
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  • Norway Ave. Church of Christ, Huntington, WV, Jeff Garrett, minister.
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  • Oak Hills Church (of Christ), San Antonio, TX, Max Lucado, minister.
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  • The Farmers Branch Church of Christ, Dallas, TX, Chris Seidman, minister
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  • The First Colony Church of Christ, Sugarland, TX, Ronnie Norman, minister
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  • etc., etc.

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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]There may come a time when teaching that baptism is no longer essential or that baptism is not "unto [toward] the remission of sins" is more than a rarity in churches of Christ, then, there may be a need for a "Wall of Shame--Act II." [It shouldn't be a surprise if certain change agents may already be teaching this.][/color]
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