Doug
Doug

June 7th, 2012, 8:20 am #11



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ken said You may remember that the instrumentalists exited and then attempted to confiscate the property. Actually Ken, I dont remember that one and since I was an instumentalist, youd think that I would remember that one. Are you talking about a single congregational split that was resolved in a court of law or what. Sweeping generalizations like this dont serve any purpose.
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Doug
Doug

June 7th, 2012, 8:22 am #12



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

So the generalization you made, instrumentalists exited and then attempted to confiscate the property was really just one congregation, the Sand Creek congregation and the court case decided which of the two rival groups of congregants had title to the Sand Creek property. That is in no way a conspiracy, Ken. Just two factions in a Congregation who both think that they own the rights to a piece of property and wound up going to court to resolve their differences. To me, the big failure of both groups was that they had to go to court to resolve the issue and in doing so, sullied the name of Christs Church. Incidently, I think the Judge got it right in this case but what that case means today is unclear. I supose it means if your incorporation papers clearly indicate that the Church is acapella, a Instumental faction of the Church will lose in a court case where they attempt to gain title to the property in defiance of the incorporation papers define. Thats all it means to me no big conspiracy that I can determine.

There were many Churches who alternately choose the name Christian Church or Church of Christ without the attached meant Instumental or Acapella at the time ( and even later) of this court case. In fact, the Church of my childhood, located in Washington County, Tennessee was a Church of Christ but had both piano and organ inside of it. They only fairly recently changed their name to Christian Church.
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June 7th, 2012, 8:23 am #13



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ive read Bro Subletts writings on a number of occasions, and have perused his website, and the more I read, the more I realized that there was nothing there. Now, reviving a two-year old thread to call 99% of the church blasphemers and to revive an ancient dispute over some property? Why?

But speech is free, I suppose, and sometimes its priced about right.
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Jeff Day
Jeff Day

June 7th, 2012, 8:28 am #14



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

I don't blame Oak Hills Church of Christ for taking "Church of Christ" off of their sign. If I had a choice, I would have it done at our church also. It is ashame the reputation we have forged for ourselves over the past 50 years. "The ones who think they are the only ones going to heaven" is RIGHT. I am 39 and I can't tell you how many HUNDREDS of times I have heard that over my lifetime. But, unfortunately, we have made our bed and now we must lie in it.

To say that they are not "New Testament Christians" is a VERY dangerous statement to make...it borders on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (to call something of God, of the devil or not of God). I would really rethink that if I were you.

Just because the old pharaseeical version of the Church of Christ that you love so well is dieing off is no reason to criticize a BODY of believers that wish to change the letters on their sign...last time I looked, what sign we have on our building or what we call the name of our churches is NOT commanded ANYWHERE in the Bible.

By the way, THE CHURCH at Oak Hills is making these decisions. They have ELDERS, DEACONS, and MINISTRY LEADERS there. Don't write your article like MAX is making all of these changes. You seem to think that it is HIS fault when obviously the CHURCH at Oak Hills is making these determinations.

My 2 cents....

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Jeff Day
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June 7th, 2012, 8:30 am #15



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Kenny, again you never cease to amaze me with your non sensical diatribes. YOU DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. You claim Promise Keepers is a cult..PROVE IT! Have you ever been to a PK meeting? Do you know Max Lucado personally? All these are necessary for you to spout off like you do. You need a little more time in the sanitarium my backwoods friend.

You do not help your cause with your blusterings, you only show how big of a fool you really are.
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Jeff Day
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June 7th, 2012, 8:32 am #16



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ken, I know that you may find it hard that someone will actually disagree with you, but let's talk about the way things actually are in a world of reality. First, I am a member of Oak Hills.
Second, the Elders, along with members of the staff, undertook a year long study on the issue of instrumental music. The ELDERS concluded as they did, not Max with a gun to their heads. In fact, Max was not a part of the study.
Third, Max does not speak in tongues. I do not know if your quotation of Max supposedly speaking in tongues is one of your erotic fantasies or supposed to be fact. If you contend that it is factual, then I will be the first to call you a LIAR.

Get your facts straight and quit your suppositions which only make you look foolish.
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June 7th, 2012, 8:34 am #17



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1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ken, Oak Hills is led by 15 of the most humble servants of God that you could meet. They spend countless hours meeting together dealing with all of the issues that arise in a 4000 (and rapidly growing) member church. All of the men come from a church of Christ background, and, ironically, most come from extremely conservative backgrounds.

When studying the issue of instrumental music, they drew greatly on the biblical knowledge and expertise of Charles Prince, a retired former minister of Oak Hills who has been a church of Christ minister since the 1950's. Charles is a brilliant man who has greatly blessed the congregation since his retirement 10 years ago.

Unlike what you say, the STAFF has not taken over the BODY. But what the Elders HAVE done is continue to grow and learn from sources available as to what the Bible teaches. Have you reached a point that you have all knowledge in your head or do you continue to grow and learn?

Actually, the name change was pushed largely by a (now retired) elder named David Carpenter. Dave comes from an "anti" background and was an elder at Oak Hills for probably 20 years. He and his wife, Charlene, are great servants of the Lord and have reached many people for the Lord and have raised Godly children. Dave and Charlene moved into a new housing area a few years back and made the effort to knock the door of every home in their new neighborhood and invite their neighbors to services with them. (This was around 100 homes.) By far, the greatest response they received was that the neighbors were thankful they stopped by, but because of the name "church of Christ" associated with their church, the neighbors would not visit. Some of the neighbors related very frightful encounters with members of the "church of Christ" in the past. So they began thinking, what can Oak Hills do to remove this impediment to people coming to services at Oak Hills. This is where the idea started, not Max as you incorrectly assumed.

By the way, I believe that the study on baptism found on the church's website, www.oakhillschurchofchrist.org hits the nail on the head as far as biblical teaching on baptism. Don't make it something that it is not, but do not dilute the power and necessity for it.

If you are quoting some supposed tape of Max speaking in tongues you are again WRONG. (Much like many of your other assumptions.) Perhaps you should take the time to leave your home, come to San Antonio, and visit with Max. I will even buy you dinner. And, do not come back with this "Max is unreachable." Max is the most accessible (and humble, as a matter of fact) person that I know. Especially given his schedule. It is very easy to demonize someone from a distance that you have never even met. Agree or disagree with the decisions, there are legitimate reasons and rationale for each one. I have spoken to Max about Don Finto and he does not know where he comes up with being an "apostle". He said if that is what he thinks then he is "wrong." Perhaps you should also try to find the truth before you continue to spread your false rumors.

For example, the Oak Hills building is located on Interstate 10 in a nicer area of San Antonio. When we moved to this location, we moved our food and clothing ministry (which now serves 1000 families per month) to a mostly abandoned inner city church of Christ facility. We have recently purchased 6 acres of land in their community to construct a larger food and clothing facility as well as provide a building for worship services and bible study. Oh, forgot to mention that as a direct result of this outreach ministry, over 100 have been baptized (you know, that thing you claim we have eliminated) into Christ, but because of transportation issues most of these people are squeezed into a small room for Sunday services in Spanish at the inner city facility.

Finally, one last thing on the name. There will be something added on the name which reflects the name of Christ. (Much like many other churches of Christ across the country who are attempting to reach the lost.) A final decision on that has not been made and if you drive I 10 today, you will still see Church of Christ. Of course, our biggest problem is facility size. We have not enough parking spaces and not enough seating spaces in the auditorium. Between second and third service yesterday, no parking spaces were left available on our property.

I am curious of two things, Ken. Do you attend services at a congregation of the Lord's people? If so, which congregation. Second, do they have these problems?

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June 7th, 2012, 8:35 am #18



http://www.piney.com/1.Corinthians.13.S ... ngues.html

1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ken, I am not sure that this site is meant as a forum for lengthy discussion or not, but let me just make a few observations.

First, it is obvious to anyone who knows what is going on at Oak Hills that much of what you write is supposition, assumptions and just plain false.

Second, rather than challenging Charles Prince to a debate, why don't you take the time to call him, or call the church office and ask for a copy of the position paper which he prepared several years ago on the subject of instrumental music. I am sure that copies are still available. (210) 698-6868.

I hope that all who read this will take the time to read the links you have provided in your response. That will clear indication to all of the background from which you come. To equate Max's statement that "Oak Hills is on the verge" of great things to a "penis" (along with graphic pictures to back up your statement) is ..... well, I can't think of a good word here, other than sick. (Sorry, folks that is Ken's word, not mine.)

Ken, I do not understand why you did not answer my question about which congregation you attend. The only reason I can think for you not answering this question is that you, in fact, do not attend a congregation of the Lord's body. I am curious if this is a correct assumption?

Tom
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June 7th, 2012, 8:37 am #19



http://www.piney.com/1.Corinthians.13.S ... ngues.html

1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

Ken, the quote that I was referring to was in your article entitled "Shepherding Max Lucado Oak Hills," in which you state (about halfway down the article):

"THE COUNTRY OF BRAZIL IS SPLITTING AS IT IS DRIVEN BY OAK HILLS MISSIONARIES!" (caps yours)

Again, Dennis Downing is the only missionary from Oak Hills in Brazil. I guess the ball is in your court Ken.
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June 7th, 2012, 11:45 am #20



http://www.piney.com/1.Corinthians.13.S ... ngues.html

1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]



Why do you keep harping on instruments in the church?


Paul commands us to speak the inspired Biblical Text for our education and comfort.

http://www.piney.com/Speaking.Psalms.Hy ... Songs.html

Titus 1 Don't Giving Heed to Jewish Fables by the musical discorders.

http://www.piney.com/Titus.1.Not.Giving ... ables.html

We know that it mortally irritates some who call themselves conservatives. However, the only clear attack against churches of Christ since the spawning of the Stone-Campbell Movement has been in brutalizing those who refuse to DO what they have never done and keep on speaking the Word.

This attack by the "progressive" in but not of churches of Christ is used by the enemies of the word to keep up the attack. Just look up the word Campbellism or Campbellite.

Furthermore, Instruments have been the means and signs of all falls from Grace beginning in the garden of Eden and ending in Revelation where the religious instrumentalists are called "fruits" and "Sorcerers."

The Beast in Revelation MIGHT be a four footed beast but not likely. The only other definition which fits the musical sorcerers is "A new style of music or drama." Now, what else has afflicted all Bible-rooted groups in the turn of the century.

Having largely failed at stealing the church houses of widows the new Missional Ministry intends to use the money of non-instrumental church to set up instrumental churches.

We've heard of The Three Faces of Eve, but 13 different Ken-bashing "faces" from the same "person" are rather bizarre.
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