Saphiria-Mercury O'Hedge
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1:23 PM - Jul 28, 2012 #21

...I do understand why the japanese Fans of Star Fox are drawing Krystal as a sex doll when I read comments like "and give her a sexier outfit"....
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7:32 AM - Jul 29, 2012 #22

Saphiria-Mercury O'Hedge wrote:...I do understand why the japanese Fans of Star Fox are drawing Krystal as a sex doll when I read comments like "and give her a sexier outfit"....
Muuuaaa-hahhahhahaha!

I mainly joke about putting Kursed or Krystal in a sexy outfit (not that I would mind if they did). ;)
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5:52 PM - Aug 10, 2012 #23

Since the idea of Kursed is just explored in an ending of Command, is it really canon since all of the endings are essentially what-if alternate realities that depend on the choices the player made in the main game anyway?
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7:06 PM - Aug 10, 2012 #24

Arashikage wrote:Krystal started as a character from a completely different game, she was supposed to be a cat too. Rare went to Nintendo with their design for "Dinosaur Planet" and Nintendo said "Screw you Rare, we're gonna make this a Star Fox game, that'll REALLY rake in the dough" and it did. Anyway, no, I don't think that Krystal really fits in, if Nintendo hadn't rushed her story with stereotypes and cliche's, then sure, she'd fit in more.

Now on to Kursed. Kursed in my opinion is not a badass. I agree with Waffles's post almost wholeheartedly. If she were a REAL badass she wouldn't be afraid to confront Fox about these issues they had. And maybe if the story thereafter actually led somewhere, instead of some poorly thought out, halfassed cliffhanger, maybe, just maybe, she'd be a bit more likeable. Bounty Hunter = badass ONLY if you're talking about someone who has actually demonstrated their skill, IE: Jango Fett, Boba Fett, and Samus Aran. Kursed however, has not.

The regular characters have more story than Kursed and Krystal combined in my opinion. You actually know why Fox fights, you actually find out why each member is on the team. However, Krystal, you don't know anything about. She goes to some planet called Sauria... Why? Let's ask Mr Nintendo Dev, shall we?
Nintendo Dev: "Uhh, telepathy.. Yeah... Uhh, she is telepathic because she's a princess from another planet... Called Cerinia... Annd... All the residents of this planet have telepathy... Yeah."
Oh, really? I'd like to go there some time, where is it?
Nintendo Dev: "Uhh you can't... It's uhh... It was blown up by Andross, including Krystal's family... Yeah"
Ooookay.... So she went around looking for Andross in search of vengeance? The same way that the Star Fox team did?
Nintendo Dev: "No, oh no no no, she.... Uhh, she just got a telepathic signal of a planet in distress... Oh and she speaks the language of the indigenous people... Because she's telepathic, yeah"
Well screw you Nintendo, way to promise a good story and let us down with the actual reasoning behind why she's there.

Anyway, my point is, Kursed = not badass, and Story =/= badass. Story = good character, Bounty Hunter = badass if you prove it, and Krystal =/= a well thought out, or fitting character.

And I haven't even GOTTEN to Kursed's story. Basically, she joins Star Wolf, why? Because Fox wouldn't let her fight, and she joins Star Wolf. Why? I dunno, it made sense at the time? Apparently, bad people aren't so bad when your ex boyfriend hates them? I don't know, there isn't much logic behind it. But here's where it really gets you: She joins Star Wolf, and DOESN'T expect to be called a traitor. Now Star Fox is really famous, they're known about all throughout Corneria. Star Wolf is also well known, especially as the main enemy of Star Fox. Now, put two and two together, how can you lead me to believe Krystal wouldn't believe she would be called a traitor and generally hated like the rest of the freaking Star Wolf team? Now, that's not the worst part. The worst part is that when she found out she was being hated, and people were jeering her as she walked by, she LEFT. She freaking left her problems behind, went to start some new life doing something only briefly mentioned. And why did she leave her life behind and start a new identity? Because people were making fun of her. Not only is this a WTF moment, this is a sad moment for anyone with morals. If you screw up, and people ridicule it for you, you don't go and LEAVE and start a new identity, you suck it up and deal with it. You screwed up, this is your punishment, and now the love of your life won't even look at you anymore, He tried to wipe you away with booze and tears, and you just sit there behind your little console and watch. You see him once more on Kew, but what do you do? You stand there as he walks on by. I hope you're happy Kursed. Here's to you *Swills*
I have to dissagree on one point I think Krystal is a great character (Though having the girls she problaby replaced would be a good idea too) but her backstory is very lacking yes.

and I have to say commands endings are screwy she should have just dissapeared and became a bounty hunter> in my opinion i think Kursed has alot of potential so maybe not badass but potentially badass. I belive she joined Star wolf to make Fox jealous. not seeing it work she then left theres actually alot more to that ending than any of the others.
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11:29 PM - Aug 10, 2012 #25

Four-eyed Vulpine wrote:Since the idea of Kursed is just explored in an ending of Command, is it really canon since all of the endings are essentially what-if alternate realities that depend on the choices the player made in the main game anyway?
Naw. Thank God none of Command is canon. Kursed...seems like a cool concept, maybe they could make her a seperate character from Krystal, yet still canon (cousin, dark twin, clone, long lost sister, etc.)
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5:17 AM - Aug 21, 2012 #26

You see, she left StarWolf because people were making fun of her. I mean how do you NOT expect people to make fun of you if you join the team that one of the most famous and loved mercenary band is AGAINST. That gives you hate, and if you can't see that, you are clearly not a very smart person. Was Krystal a smart person? Well, maybe book smart, but definitely lacking in common sense.

And back to her character, she is a cardboard cutout with so much unused potential. Potentially, she's a very lovable character, with a slightly used but otherwise tragic past, and supernatural powers that also have the potential to be very cool. What does she do? She has little part in Adventures save for the first few levels, In Assault, she replaces Peppy and does a bleh job of it, she whines a bit about stuff nobody cares about, picks up brainwave signals or something from enemy fighters, and succeeds at being a subpar pilot. In Command, she whines some more, angsts about Fox and her relationship, and in certain endings breaks up with him, and in others reconciles and gets preggorz.
The problem I have with telepaths is nobody ever does it right. Where's the balance? Where is the line drawn? She can read thoughts, project her thoughts, mentally attack people, defend her own mind from attacks, sense presences from far away, the list goes on. What are the drawbacks of this? They should be massive, shouldn't they? Oh but Krystal, oh no, she's special, she can do all of this like it's second nature. There aren't any drawbacks to her actions.
The next issue I have is her character. Or lack thereof. She seems like she was shoehorned into the game as a love interest for Fox. There was barely a good explanation as to why the hell she was there in the first place, or even how she ended up escaping the "Total Destruction" of her planet. Her reactions to events are either nonexistant or very stale, her overall personality is that of the back of a cereal box, and her combat prowess or skill as a pilot leave much to be desired. Personally, I do not care for Krystal's character, instead, I wish that Nintendo had put some thought into Adventures, maybe it would have set the path for Assault, and Command wouldn't have sucked. Then again that last part is wishful thinking...
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1:47 PM - Aug 21, 2012 #27

She's telepathic so the thoughts were overwhelming. also many telepaths are able to hide these drawbacks.... remember when she was on the aparoid homeworld that seemed like a major drawback to me.

Now that i think about this a little deeper i thik kursed was a attempt to make Krystal fit in more with the series of which she already fit in.... so yeah failed attempt. and i have to agree that her backstory is very lacking.... though I don't think she's a cardboard cutout she's just missing a few details so she's more of a work in progess that will likely at this rate never be finished.

And to Harmony...I belive Krystal is a teenager despite how mature she acted in assault.


And command is a crappy game if you ask me but I'm still wondering if some of those endings were missing some descriptions.

Maybe fox was thinking of another woman and she got jealous.... you know how women are.
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3:34 AM - Sep 26, 2012 #28

I'm not fond of the idea of dramatically changing a character who already doesn't have much character or background development again

So, no I don't want to see Kursed again, at least not anytime soon
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4:10 PM - Sep 26, 2012 #29

Saphiria-Mercury O'Hedge wrote:Wow, I must say Arashikage totally brought up the right points of why Kursed is not bad ass. Respect to you there, Arashi, I love the way you're thinking.

I can't say much since Arashi put up most of the important stuff...

Kursed was a nice idea, nothing against it, but what's up with the teenage-drama? Krystal seemed to be more inside her mind in Adventures and Assault which totally got lost in Command.

I can understand that Fox was scared that Krystal might get hurt and pushed her out of the team just to protect her, but for me both made some mistakes.

First off, Fox. He was okay with it when Krystal came along with him and the others at the end of Adventures and was a full member of the team only 1 year later. After the happenings of Assault nothing big happened, there was no threat for 3 years besides of Star Wolf. Falco left again while Slippy found a girlfriend in that off-time season, at the same time Fox and Krystal probably started to have problems with each other before the Anglars came up. The Anglars weren't much of a threat like the Aparoids were, and all of a sudden he forced Krystal to quit the Team because he felt it would be 'too dangerous for her'. I can understand his fear of losing his Girlfriend, but if he had this fear since the end of Adventures then why did he gave her permission to get a full member at the start!? Epic fail there, 'Foxie'.

Second, Krystal. She didn't understood the all in a sudden mind changing of Fox which hurted her deeply. Thinking that her boyfriend trusted her so much just to get kicked out of the team surely is a mind f*ck, especially when everything was very well during the Aparoid war. To kick his a$$ she joined the Cornerian Defense Force, just to provoke and prove him that she isn't afraid to fight against the Anglars, but for what? It wasn't a good choice of her hurting Fox with a cold shoulder and being 'open' for Panther, it was the worst movement someone can do. Krystal was angry, fine, but acting like a spoiled child just because she didn't got what she wanted isn't the right way to solve problems, no, it's making it even more worse and BOTH sides getting even more hurt.

Even further, it was very naive of her to think that she gets popular for joining Star Wolf just to steal Star Fox the show and being the new 'heroes of Lylat', it was clear that she would regret it sooner or later, but thinking that everybody would greet her with open arms after she betrayed Fox and the others was kind of stupid. Hurting Fox, getting blinded/used by Star Wolf and getting treated like a traitor by everyone... there wasn't any place for her to run to, at least she thought so. Bad move there, Krystal.


When we're thinking about the whole situation and the many different ways of how Command could end, you'll see that both characters made so many mistakes that it totally hurts your mind. Krystal made a big mistake of thinking she couldn't return to Fox and the others because everybody called her a traitor, and of course she felt that way after she got 'haunted' by those words, making her think that not even Fox would listen to the words she wants to say. Best solution: Showing the cold shoulder to the past and start a new life.

...It would be nice if it would be that easy as Nintendo/Q-Games wanted us to show in Command, but the truth is that Krystal fucked this up, since everybody else knew that Fox would listen to her even though she was betraying him and the Team. She was acting like someone who can't handle stuff like this, though everybody knows that she's actually a very tough woman. Where's her strong side? It's true that we don't know much about her past, only that her planet and family was blown up by Andross and that she has the unique ability called 'telepathy', but since the beginning of Adventures we saw that she actually has enough guts and power to fight back with a calm mind, something that was missing in Command and made her a whiny bitch.

Giving her a 'bad side' was the biggest mistake to make with her. In my eyes, Krystal wouldn't cry about all this, she would stand up in the search for Fox and trying to talk with him, making him realize that BOTH made mistakes and that she was thinking a bit too much about herself instead of seeing it from his point of view. No, instead she cried like a baby and turned into someone she never would be, thinking that there's no place for her to live and to be happy. That's not the Krystal I had in my memories.

I have nothing against the idea of Kursed, but I'm sure there are many other ways of making her appear instead of making Krystal an emo.
I can defiantly agree with the fact that command completely screwed with Krystal's character.

before command she seemed like the calm cool person that would not only assure fox that his decision were the best he could have done ,but maybe as far as pulling the team together after an argument.

now she's a normal teenage girl WHAT HAPPENED TO HER?

this is why i think Command is not cannon also I actually like the idea of Kursed ,but I don't think she became that because of the lylat system rejecting her.. if the whole lylat system would have rejected her she wouldn't have been able to stand it she's a telepath and as such she could read their minds and they'd all be thinking about how she betrayed fox and that would constatly be in her mind as well as everyones thus a mental melt down.

love intrest aside something else is wrong.

Why didn't fox search for her?

Why didn't Krystal regret her decisions?

WHERE"S THE EXPLAINATION??!?!

with krystal's character about the only thing that does make sense is she felt Fox didn't really love her and left not because of starwolf simply because she felt something...
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4:20 PM - Sep 26, 2012 #30

wrote:Why didn't fox search for her?

Why didn't Krystal regret her decisions?

WHERE"S THE EXPLAINATION??!?!

with krystal's character about the only thing that does make sense is she felt Fox didn't really love her and left not because of starwolf simply because she felt something...
I agree with Kursed (the member) there. :nod:

Too many plot holes and unresolved things in SF-Command in general. That's most likely why Nintendo made it non canon.
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