Attempting A Revival

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Attempting A Revival

DK3
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Oct 11 2013, 04:55 AM #1

I'm not gonna make any promises, since I'm not sure that I can keep them and this seems to have repeated itself quite a few times in the past. But a lot on my plate has been dealt with and I feel it's about that time that we attempt to revive not only the forums, but the site as well. So here are a few things that I'd like to work on in the future and I'd like your opinions and suggestions on them. So please check back every now and then and post to help keep activity flowing once more.

Firstly, I'd like to put all the old submissions back up on the site, regardless of whether they are still up to date or not. They were and will become once again a valuable asset to the site and a key part of what made SSBMercurious what it was and what it could be once more. This may also hopefully increase traffic to the site and to the forums to rebuild the community's foundation.

Secondly, I'd like some new suggestions for the front page. What I'd like is news posted by the members themselves to make appearances on the front page of the site informing visitors of what submissions they're working on and what ones they may be interested in. Also maybe a members list and information page, but this is probably something that could be put off for the future.

Thirdly, more submission types to be added at hopefully a quicker pace than before. The return of Adventure Stages, Bosses, Enemies, and even new ones like Stickers, Music, and Trophies maybe. The tutorials section on the forums would also be a great idea to revive to give members the knowledge they'd need in order to help with the upload process for submissions, which is the main cause for submissions being backed up and taking awhile being uploaded to the site.

I'd also like to remove the submissions total requirement and allow Anime submissions to be added to the site.

If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts, please feel free to post them here.
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Oct 11 2013, 01:31 PM #2

I got a few questions to ask:

1) What about the other submissions other then the Anime submissions?
2) Is there a chance that some characters have there series logos?
3) If some of the submission from the older site you done. Is there a chance that we have both the updated and the older submission we done? What that means is that the submission we done and we did update the old submission we done.
4) Will we get the CSS Pictures you did on the site?
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Oct 11 2013, 06:04 PM #3

All submissions will be side by side, whether they are anime characters, stages, assist trophies, or those derived from video games.

The series logos for the most part aren't just out there floating around on the internet, they are made or edited and then uploaded to the site. It's a longer process than just copying and pasting. If anyone would like to try their own hand at making logos for series that don't yet have one, or that could use a better one, I'd be more than happy to accept the offers.

As for the old and new submissions, I think what I'll end up doing is having different 'tiers' of submissions for character submissions. Those without full movesets, and those with full movesets. So if a submitter has one of each, they could choose to merge them into one or just have them separate and both on the site together.

And the CSS hexes are also something I plan on returning to the site as well.
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Oct 11 2013, 06:14 PM #4

Thanks for answering my questions. As for Anime and other submissions. I got 6 characters and none for others
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Oct 12 2013, 01:28 AM #5

Here is an example of how the old submissions will look in the new layout: James007 - Sly
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Oct 12 2013, 06:44 AM #6

Not bad. Looks good :)
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Oct 12 2013, 04:56 PM #7

By the way. From my questions:

1) From what you meant is that submissions like from characters, like John Cena & Blossom, to Assist Trophies?
2) alright
3) So, like I made the same Ty character submissions, I can decide that I want to merge or keep the old one as well as the new one?
4) That's good

For ideas:

1) The story mode from the Super Smash Fantasy page 2 last years
2) Masterpieces
3) Co-op Event Matches submissions
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Oct 12 2013, 11:51 PM #8

Would there be any new information added to older submissions?
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Oct 15 2013, 03:28 AM #9

If new information is supplied by the submitter of the content, then of course.
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Oct 15 2013, 07:30 PM #10

I also have another question. I just posted a new character idea in the character submissions page and I was wondering when it would be added to the ideas page on the main site. Do you add it or do I add it (sorry but while I have followed this site for a long time I have only recently made an account. ^_^ )
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Oct 17 2013, 12:14 PM #11

To answer the question for DK3. He does it, but he first check for some errors and/or mistakes.

To DK3.

Will Co-op Event Matches going to make it's first appearence? And will the Story mode idea from Super Smash Fantasy return?
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Oct 18 2013, 06:21 PM #12

Before I tackle the topic at hand, though, I want to preface this by saying that I'm very glad to hear that things in your life have been improving, DK3. From what little Jonno, myself, and Zantok had heard, things hadn't exactly been going swimmingly for you. Even though at the time it really pained us that so frequently the site and forums were getting 'neglected' by you back in the day, I'd like to think that we have all matured a little more than that. And speaking for the three of us, we are collectively quite proud that you are feeling in good enough shape to come back and tackle a project to the scale of a full-on Mercurious revival.

Now, onwards we go...

I've been skulking around the forums for a few days now, sort of idly watching this thread as the replies slowly trickle in. Seeing this thread come up one day when I decided to check in on how Mercurious was doing really brought about a glimmer of hope that this community could be revitalized once more. A bit more of a bustle than the flatline on the heart monitor of forum activity. But, if I may for a moment be the unfortunate realist, as DK3 has noted in his first post, this really isn't the first time that such a proposal has been made. The cycle of forum life and death has not exactly been kind to Mercurious over the years. But what makes this ol' joint hold a special place in my heart is the people I met here, many of whom I am still in decently close contact with.

So naturally, it makes me smile to hear that there is another attempt to revive the place. However, I do want to raise a couple points that people aren't keying in on just yet. In my opinion, submissions are a gimmick. Yes, they are what lured a lot of people to Mercurious to hone their respective writing styles, especially because we all wanted to get recognition on the site itself for our work. It's cool to see these things get published onto the front page, but I think that the 'Ideas' (or 'Wishes' if you want to get nostalgic) page needs to be dialed down in importance to the site itself. It should play complement to the greater site, as there needs to be something that ropes in members in the first place.

What I am proposing is to go back in time, to a point where the main entries of the Smash Bros. series were important. Back to the days leading up to Brawl's release. There was a lot of hype swirling around, and DK3's character selection hexes were a huge buzz on GameFAQs (where I personally found the site). The community (again, this is my opinion) was founded on hype and a mutual love for this great series. With Smash 4 on the horizon, I have seen little to no hype built on the Mercurious forums. No discussion of the daily screenshots on the DOJO!! website, no "Rate Their Chances" threads, not even a single peep in the forums themselves, really.

It's kind of disheartening. Call me old-fashioned, but I miss that kind of thing much more than I miss the prospect of my submissions getting published on the site proper.

So, what is your point, Eebit? Well, personally, I really think that Mercurious should be built up again on the content of the main series alongside submissions, as it once was. User-submitted content to the website on the OFFICIAL games could serve to be equally invaluable (and much more informative, giving a reason to provide traffic to the main site) as the user-submitted 'wishlist' that amasses more and more characters, stages, items, what have you. User-penned articles on what does or does not have a shot at coming into the next game could bring Mercurious more towards the forefront of the Smash community; a site that provides information is sure to get more traffic.

Even editorials about older stuff, like debunking rumours, or providing a look at Super Smash Flash 2 (a game we had supported in the past), or the super-snazzy up-and-coming Project M. In this guy's humble opinion, that is the stuff that will bring back the activity. Hype, speculation, and meaningful content that brings people back for more.

I really like the idea of users providing news articles for the main site, provided that they are well-written and reflect well on the community. It gives incentive to get the word out on whatever is important in the world of Smash. That's kind of what I want to see from Mercurious going forward.
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Oct 22 2013, 11:52 PM #13

Like Eebit, I definitely am grateful that you've been managing well throughout your hard times, DK3. I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth here on this matter, but I think I can seriously say for all of us that we have all matured past the days of being overly-upset about an admin's leave of absence from a fan forum. There are certainly more pressing matters to tend to in life as life has proven for the lot of us in the past several years since our each individually joining the wonderful world of Mercurious. Things were a lot more romanticized for us when we were kids when it came to these little forums, but toss in a dose of life experience and some standard education for good measure, and suddenly you've got a group of kiddos who now understand what you could have been going through in your life that seriously deserves tending to. I apologize on my own behalf for not quite knowing what things were like for you in the past, DK3 -- everyone has their own life aspects that need to be responsibly taken care of in level of priority, which is exactly what you have been doing! Again, I speak for all of us when I say that I think we can better understand that now.

I like this little bit of a forum and site rehaul you've gotten around to doing Mercurious up in upon your latest return, too. Snazzy colors.

Now then, on to "business talk," here. In laymen's terms and for those without the resolve to actually read a five bajillion year-long post about the workings of Mercurious and how they could be improved and expanded upon, I agree with Eebit. For the others, join your good ol' pal Jonno as we delve into the depths of... this post. This thought-provoking, compelling, scintillating, alluring post of Jonno power. Or something like that.

Like Eebit -- and I can say for a fact, the majority of the existing members of the site as we know it -- I think the prime inspiration for myself to jump on board with a Mercurious revival for the umpteenth time really does come down to the nostalgia factor: knowing that I had made some lifelong pals here based off of a mutual interest and the thought that this can be made a fact for several others in "the new generation" if Mercurious gets chugging again! It's a beautiful thing for sites like this, no matter how small or how large they are, to foster a group of people who are passionate about a singular subject to base friendships off of from there that become larger than life itself. To allow others the same opportunity that I had during my years here would be simply awesome. It needs to happen, if we can all will it.

The harsh reality is that submissions are indeed a gimmick. Do I think that they should be fully removed? Heck no. Not ever. Submissions are much of the reason why people visit Mercurious in the first place, and they're fun to tackle every so often to boot! I don't think they should ever be removed, and there should always be a partial focus on them because that is what draws people in and gets some fun chats going surrounding individuals' unique ideas. They may never, ever happen as far as the actual Super Smash Bros. series goes -- that much is beyond likely -- but they're fun to share amongst the most hardcore fans. For people like me, they've even inspired careers in writing. I'm both a freelance journalist and a self-published fiction author, and I'm just about nerdy and truthful enough to say Mercurious submissions helped cultivate a love of writing that was first founded thanks to an amazingly supportive sixth grade teacher and one opportunistic English class assignment.

With all that said, while submissions should remain a focus of the sight in my eyes, they shouldn't be the main focus of the site. There should be multiple focuses, really, that all fall under the same category: a deep love for the Smash games. To really get the community back to where it was around Brawl's release, we need not only the draw of submissions, but some real meat to keep members coming, instead of become one post wonders only concerned about if their submission was "gud or not!!11 Sanic 4 lyf," if you catch my drift. User-submitted articles, as Eebit has already brought up in his posting, sound like a great idea, in my opinion, and just extra activity drawn to here by means of a greater user interaction with the forums in general would be great, as well -- and that's basically all of our jobs.

We're based upon greatness here, folks and folkettes, and as usual, we can bring that greatness back. It just takes a bit of ingenuity, a bit of luck, and a whole lot of fun to be had throughout it all. If you're willing to make an effort for Mercurious, I suppose I am as well. Even if we never really get "anywhere" with any major restoration plans, I think it'll still be fun to float around here for a while for old time's sake.
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Oct 25 2013, 12:09 AM #14

I'm really astounded by the amount of support you guys are showing for the site, and I never <i>really</i> took notice of how seriously the site has impacted its members before. But the harsh truth of this matter is that the if the site is going to become anything more than just a gimmick fansite, then it's going to need more than just myself working on it.

So I'm opening positions up for anyone willing to give it a go. To help build Mercurious brick by brick, not back to what it once was before, but into something even better. If you are interested, please look into .html and .php tutorials. They can easily be found by simply Googling them, it's the same route I took to get to where I am, but I'm not ashamed to say, when it comes to this stuff, I'm really only a novice.

I'd also suggest downloading and installing FileZilla FTP Client, but only for those that are serious about helping Mercurious out from behind the curtains.

And regardless if the site gets the additional help it would need to become bigger, I'll still be making updates as efficiently as one novice can.
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Oct 27 2013, 12:14 AM #15

Having talked with Eebit and Flamezone on this matter over text these past couple of days, I think I can speak for the three of us when I say that we would love to help with the expansion of the site. Eebit has expressed that he is highly interested in helping with the infrastructure of the site and its coding measures via FileZilla as Zantok and I had done in the past, and can perhaps even tie in the CSS/HTML experience he would acquire through it to add onto the small bit he already has to nab him some credit in a scripting course at his university, thus effectively catching two Hoothoots with one Pokéball. Flamezone has said that he has minor experience in coding as well and would love the opportunity to seriously work on one of his favorite sites while gaining experience as a coder and a writer.

As for me, I've already expressed that I'd love to help to that veracity as well, though it may not be possible for me until December or even early next year as I have commitments which I have held myself onto far before this revival was announced -- National Novel Writing Month in November being the most prominent of them. However, after that, I'd absolutely love to get the site kickin' again. In the mean time, you'll see me and hopefully many others around the forums in joyous camaraderie and all that good stuff to try getting some activity into Mercurious in that sense.
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Oct 27 2013, 01:05 AM #16

What Jonno says is true, I truly do plan on returning, for this is a very exciting time for me. I haven't done very much with forums in writing in quite some time, so it'll be a refreshing flash to the past, as well as great fun, to bring this forum back up on it's feet, even if it really is only limited to choice few members (lets hope that it's not, however).

And as for coding, for sure I'd love to help out. Although, you'll have to excuse my lack of knowledge and perhaps minor inactivity. I have somewhat of a busy schedule - girlfriend for example, friends who constantly require my being there (League of Legends: pathetic really, haha), partying, and I'm also talking with a friend about working together at a furniture chain, loading and unloading furniture (great fun I'd presume). But any other time I can squeeze out for sure while be spent here.

So yeah, expect me around. I should have just created my own "I'm back," topic, shouldn't of I?
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Oct 27 2013, 06:04 AM #17

You know what? Just having the lot that we have back now pretty much seals the deal for me. This whole revival is worth just bringing back the old days and experiencing them for a lot of us, I feel, and I know that once more SSB4 info comes surging in again, we'll probably have a nice little group of new members to usher in as well. It'll be a nice, homey experience bringing back what for many of us was kind of a starting place for us on the Internet and attempting to rekindle its old flame. Good, nostalgic times a-plenty right here, and it's really starting to hit me now. This is awesome.

Welcome back, Flamezone, buddy! I'm pretty much super happy to see you back, posting. q: Wishing you luck on all of your current and future endeavors as well, old chap!
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