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Avalon

bisonrav
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29 Sep 2010, 07:40 #1

Watch this space for a lot of new information on Avalon, Paddy`s band pre-Sprouts, which was previously named Caught in the Act.

Paddy was in fact brought into the band as a guitarist, he didn`t sing, which I hadn`t realised. He did however write a few songs and we have some names for these. We also discover something about Faron Young, and there`s a great story about Sting.

And with that teaser I`ll disappear into the shadows for a training day. Should get some more detail posted later this evening.
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29 Sep 2010, 09:52 #2

Wow.

Can't wait to learn more.
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29 Sep 2010, 14:47 #3

damn,
i was thinking this was a Roxy thread,
but it's even better than that!!
so,
any audio Avalon pending?
playing for blood, as Grandmasters should.
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29 Sep 2010, 16:52 #4

I'm good, Timon, but I'm not a miracle worker ;)

Hoping for maybe some photos or memorabilia
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29 Sep 2010, 17:45 #5

Right, here we go...

All from Roy McCalvey, who was the bass player in Avalon. Came via a series of e-mails, and it's an ongoing correspondence.

Spooky really. A few weeks ago I was thinking about wik and how there shud be an extention to prefab history with the two previous bands. Wud like to help. I can give u reason for 'Caught in the Act'/'Avalons' demise(paddy joined when we were 'caught in the act')-songs we did in the set (of Paddys and the others songs and covers)-Paddy was a lovely bloke without any sides to him. I live in Newcastle Upon Tyne. He once did an awesome refit of SATISFACTION but we split before ever performing it. An awesome guitarist!! ps Paddy once wrote a song in rehearsal with drummer Johnny Darmo called 'SCREAMING'...how it all floods back!!

Ho ho. Paddy was always first to turn up at rehearsals and that was when we spoke the most, that 20 mins before the rest turned up. Faron Young 4 in the morning was a hit at no 4 i think. But it stayed about that position for weeks and weeks and paddy and I HATED it and would joke about it in those times. God that record stuck like something nasty to the toilet bowl. Obviously it all made a bad impression on paddy cos he imortalised it in his own song. I've not listened to much of the sprouts stuff cos i realised what we'd lost when he went. He still came to c us a few times when we restarted with others in band but i didnt say much to him. His mate Tony Coyle was our lead singer and introduced him to us as a guitarist. I recall he played an accoustic song THE WALTZ during one of our sets at the Bay Hotel. I waltzed with a girl in the audience who i picked out at random (i recall she had a big bust) as paddy played. Another time we were about to play and p burst into the opening chords of PRETTY VACANT -in the chrts at the time- the aud were disapointed when he stopped after a few chords cos we didnt know it.

Yeah. Good track and stage stuff but it still hurts, you know. Our band/s were pretty stupid. We shud have heard paddys stuff then cleared the decks of our crap so as to accomodate a unique sound and obvious success. I was thankful of paddys rhythm work cos i was not a real musician as a bassist and he filled in so much of the sound. TRUE STORY when we formed, of the five, i decided to play bass cos no one else wanted to. So the lads took me up to see what a bass guitarist played, fingers on fretbd etc. I sat at the front and watched with sinking heart as the lead singer/bassist covered every centimetre of his fretboard in the first few minutes. Went home so depressed. The band was LAST EXIT-the bassist was, a teacher called GORDON SUMNER (sting). Shortly after they took their families to london to make it they encountered difficulties and sting joined the police. I remember how we laughed, STING HAS JOINED A PUNK BAND! We also laughed when we heard that PADDY HAS FORMED A BAND CALLED PREFAB SPROUT (and has a residency at BAMBARAS in town newcastle.) The laughs were on me in both cases!!

5th man Leo McCabe. Singer, bassist(sometimes when I played rhythm and sang some of my songs)and rhythm.
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29 Sep 2010, 17:52 #6

That was great!!
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29 Sep 2010, 18:28 #7

Great it was indeed! Even a Sting reference for Timon!!

Love how he knew what they had lost once it had moved on!
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29 Sep 2010, 19:25 #8

Very evocative picture painted there, and quietly touching.

Someone really needs to write a proper book about Pop's Last Great Songwriter.
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29 Sep 2010, 19:27 #9

bisonrav, you've heard it many times here, but not from me yet, so here goes: You're a miracle and a wonderful member of sproutnet, and Lord knows what 2010 would've been like around here without you. Thank you.

That said, and taking into account what Julie Burchill says about the name Prefab Sprout in that recently scanned letter: One wonders what would've happened if the name Caught In the Act had, uhm, caught on and stuck; it fits so perfectly with a lot of similarly named 80's bands that I can just picture it on top of the charts throughout the decade. What a brilliantly cheesy boy band name.

O wait, there WAS a boy-band named Caught In the Act in the early 90's I was just advised by those nerds over at wikipedia. Forget my post, but not the first paragraph.
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29 Sep 2010, 19:34 #10

Caught in the Act was a classic cabaret band name, had a mate who played bass in a similar band in the late 1970s, was the sort of band that played covers in working mens clubs.

Avalon as a name sounds a bit folk prog, interesting change really.

Just out of interest, the Sprout residency mentioned was presumably at:

http://www.pubsnewcastle.co.uk/Balmbras.html
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29 Sep 2010, 21:02 #11

hang on,
in Birch's book,
he makes reference to an even earlier Paddy group called,
ba bum bum,
The Doubles.
if you can find ANY recording of that group,
i'll let my pet dolphin change your diapers.

nice Sting anecdote too!!
playing for blood, as Grandmasters should.
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29 Sep 2010, 21:35 #12

Sounds like a challenge ;)

Been just a little more, but to be honest a lot of the conversation is nattering about music and football now. No memorabilia, but Roy is running a film project which there's a link to on the gigography - it's crazy but a lot of fun, you may need a NE sensibility to understand the concept. He's looking for investors too. He thinks other band members might have posters and photos and such, but he's not in touch with them, and Leo is dead. So I'll explore that avenue too.

But back to Avalon:

"Caught was same band. Paddy joined shortly after we started gigging. John changed name cos he picked it and didnt like it, then he pushed for AVALON and didnt like that either! When Paddy left we became AVALON 2."
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29 Sep 2010, 21:36 #13

Wasn't there an anecdote or something from Rollmo mag about Avalon. A fan who had seen them in Whitley Bay remembered the song 'Walk On' and when she heard the PS song she realised who she and her friends had seen all those years ago? Just went to Bedford McIntosh's site but it's down.

I think this guy replaced Paddy in Avalon - Steve Daggert

http://www.stevedaggett.co.uk/history.htm
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29 Sep 2010, 21:50 #14

Steve Daggett was in Avalon but postdating Paddy at which time they weren't doing any of his songs, I asked about that. He was also in Lindisfarne (Winter Song by Lindisfarne/Alan Hull is one of the greatest songs ever written by the way, have a listen on Youtube, apparently Steve did a cover and took it to Alan to release, he refused but took him into the band).

The material from the fanzine is all on http://psgigs.wikispaces.com - it's a fans eye view, very interesting.

On the doubles, the key here will be tracking down Tony Coyle, which I'm working on. From Bedford's site (or the cache thereof), quoting another friend:

"I was already there and he joined our sixth form and we were in the same class for English A level. In addition, I also started to play music with him and his close friend Tony Coyle (who taught in Bishop Auckland, when I saw him last). Note that Tony was acknowledged for technical support on Andromeda Heights.

"They were both brilliant guitarists, I was a bum guitarist, but also played recorders especially tenor, which interested Paddy to the extent that he wrote a song for the school Christmas concert for 2 guitars and tenor recorder. He was so self conscious that he told everybody that it was an obscure Peter Gabriel song and as he was the King of musicology in our eyes we never questioned it! For the life of me I cannot remember the title of that tune.

"We also played at a teachers/parents school evening at a local town under name "The Doubles" which was a name he and Tony had appeared under before in another small concert; its naffness appealed to him especially as there were 3 of us at the time."
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29 Sep 2010, 21:53 #15

Spot on, James, The fan in question was Sue Dyer, and you can read her article in Rollmo! here:

http://www.ferhiga.com/prefab/fanzines/ ... 01_eng.htm

And of course on the PSgig site!

http://psgigs.wikispaces.com/Avalon1977
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