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I don't think that's a good idea at all. I don't think there will be a next phase, and I frankly can't think of any role that's worth that sort of risk on. If you're investigative, scum has to pick between blocking you (and thus leaving Rorick unchecked to catch the blocker out) and blocking Rorick (and thus letting you get off an investigation). No other role gets much from one phase, or at least none I expect might be in the game. The stall is really bad news, and honestly I'm pretty convinced you're scum at this point regardless of what you claim. Only real reason I'm fishing is on the off chance you have something great up your sleeve.R.C. wrote:I'll hard claim next day.
It's the best move for town.
You'd only be useful to the mafia because you're being so much of a smoke-screen that any other suspicious activity is kind of overshadowed, man. You haven't given us any reason at all for why you're good for town except for assuming that scum won't kill you because you're... acting scummy? It's in town's best interests for you to claim immediately, because having you around right now is kind of detrimental to any kind of scum hunting.R.C. wrote:You already screwed up on focussing on me because of a slip that was not a slip. I'll claim tomorrow. And if there is no tomorrow, you screwed up, like I said. It wouldn't be fatal and you wouldn't lose information (except mafia has a specific role). Having me alive tonight is good for town, bad for mafia. It is a fact. I won't be killed, because a clear person thinks I'm scum. But mafia knows I'm useful so they have to decide what to do with me.
backslash wrote:The safeclaim thing was a legitimate misunderstanding on my part. It's not a mechanic I'm super familiar with, so it didn't occur to me that a high-profile character like Bianca wouldn't be in the game or that scum would know she wasn't in the game if that was the case.
Me wrote:Just as a note: the whole point of good safeclaims is that they make claiming risky and avoid obvious setup speculation. Like, if there are five main characters, it'd be really common practice to actually leave one for scum as a safeclaim.
So... they're null? So then you lied about other people looking more scummy? Or just didn't bother to name any of them?backslash wrote:I never said Randomness and Slam were outright scummy. I can still go either way with either of them.
Okay. Why?backslash wrote:Slam's vote felt like less of a bandwagon to me than Prim's did.
Such as...?backslash wrote:My point about Prim looking better because other people were making themselves look worse still stands.
That's one person, not multiple people, and you were lukewarm on RC and still pushing Prim for a good while, until it became clear nobody was biting. How does any of that make Prim look less suspect?backslash wrote:On Day 2, not long after I said she was suspicious to me, Laurels started doing his thing. During this phase, pretty much the same thing happened with RC.
No, you actually did not say that. What you said was:backslash wrote:Saying that Prim made a better case for voting RC than I did also strikes me as odd, because I mentioned previously that I felt he was being counterproductive and scummy.
backslash wrote:I don't like how RC is baiting Rugga or whatever the hell it is he's doing. It;s not productive.
You have, in fact, never once referred to RC as scummy until this post. You did spend a lot of time on how he was useless even if not scum, though.backslash wrote:RC's acting very oddly, it's very counterproductive, and even if he isn't scum at this point he's filling up the thread with nonsense and not helping us get anywhere. Looking back, the way he's kept trying to direct Rorick's actions as watcher are also sketchy.
See, the thing is, that's all of this. There are tons of things that don't line up. You say you play opportunistically, but the form I'm seeing it take is helping along people's perceptions and cases as they form without bringing much to the table. It's the Boogie style, but hiding behind a veneer of analysis so as to be harder to catch out.backslash wrote:re: the boogie thing. That was a goof on my part, I will admit. I got irritated with RC and didn't read closely enough before responding. I can see how that particular thing looks bad, and unfortunately I can't offer any excuse on that front.
See... here's the issue: Rorick soft-claimed at best, and backslash kept pushing on that specific point, with no attention spent on anything else he said.Rugga wrote:I don't buy any of what's in Toben's post. I don't want to respond to all of it but like, I don't this she was "fishing" for Rorick's investigative abilities as much as trying to glean how it works.
But what about Prim's identical post being randomly suspect?Rugga wrote:I don't find it scummy that she says she agrees with Slam's reasoning in that RC is acting erratic and not contributing anything of value.
Right, but this is a bad thing.Rugga wrote:I think her position on Laurels was much more flexible than any one else's and decided to go along with it just because there was no better option.
Yeah, absolutely agreed. His last post was bbbbaaadddd. But I feel like you're ignoring that backslash is also ridiculously shady because she's backing up your argument here. I'd not be surprised to find her allied scum with RC (the way her pile-on developed has me pretty suspicious since it was a weak as heck reason to hop the wagon and came only when it was clear that Prim wasn't gonna gain traction), or to find her some third party shade of nastiness.Rugga wrote:RC has yet to full claim. His story has vacillated wildly and he's been particularly acerbic.
RC's really good at sowing confusion and stealing the spotlight. Right now he's drawn us into a state where it's for/against RC, except nobody's actually for him. It makes it very easy for scum to hide.Rorick wrote:Jokes aside though, that statement just now is basically what I was talking about before. That "It's the best for town"-line alone seems so fishy that I honestly think that no scum would act that suspicious on purpose. This is seriously irritating me so much right now that I cannot even focus on different people in here right now.