Birthday Threads and Security

MurderWeasel
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Joined: February 18th, 2009, 7:01 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:33 am #1

Hey, everyone!

So, in thinking about birthday threads today, I realized something: they might be better moved to fun and games.

This isn't at all about the post count aspect; I don't really care about those. The thing is, birthdays are one of the easiest ways to identify someone online. A lot of people on SOTF hide their birthdays on their profiles because of that (including me). Some of them still have old birthday threads, though. General Discussion is viewable by guests, meaning one may well come up on a Google search. Fun and Games, meanwhile, is closed off to viewing from non-members. This is because it's already home to some personal info, specifically the picture thread, and we don't want that stuff to be visible to just anyone.

By moving birthday threads to Fun and Games, we'd increase the security a bit and keep them more private. The tradeoff would be that they'd spam up the Fun and Games board more, be less visible, and not contribute to post counts.

I'm floating this to the general community because this is an issue that affects a lot of people, and also because I'm one of the heaviest birthday thread makers. What does everyone think about this? Is there anything else we might want to do about birthday threads? A subsection just for them would be very easy to create, but would feel a bit redundant to me and would push them completely out of the areas where people normally look. I guess we could also post the threads in GD and then archive them later, but I'm not sure if that's too much hassle.
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The Burned Handler
Mr. Danya
Joined: September 22nd, 2006, 2:19 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:36 am #2

Pardon my ignorance, but what makes a birthday in itself so easily identifiable? Lots of people are born on say, March 3rd.
MurderWeasel getting impatient wrote:Hiya, jerk! Please don't post until edits have been completed, as doing so causes confusion/messes up the queue.
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork I have faith in you!
18:48 Ruggawork and your ass!
wrote:16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Iktor?
16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Toben.
16:35 Kilmarnock hard to tell until they make out with me.
16:35 *** mib_6brm7d is now known as Irene
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wrote:11:55 Zarina turns out I work best with people when most of the people are dead
wrote:18:30 Slam Well we don't really do showers in the UK
wrote:05:57 *** Christian joined #sotf
05:58 shotgunkid oh crap
wrote:05:54 frogue i can be a time consuming process!
wrote:16:47 Irene "let it sit for half an hour, it's better when it's not so cold" he said.
16:47 Irene well...
16:48 Irene it exploaded.
16:48 Irene all over my hands.
Gianni no wrote:15:54 Aloha Leg cramps happened suddenly and i can't move X_X
15:55 Gianni wb :3
wrote:21:20 *** Persy joined #sotf
21:21 Gianni Hey Persy!
21:21 Namira my mutant alchemist
wrote:21:31 Pancapples [The weather] Was beautiful today.
21:33 Solitair oh no
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork Who doesn't want to rape Bro
wrote:17:30 Ohm Sweet, I'm using then
wrote:14:18 Wes 'm so hungry ;c
14:18 Wes :c8
14:18 Wes...
14:18 Wes fuck it
14:18 mib_7zyd33 That's not what you're supposed to do to food.
14:19 Imehal Nah, that's kinda par for the course around here.
14:19--- Ohm is away (Ew)
wrote:14:50Pancapples I kinda miss the Crusades now.
Bad Ohm! wrote:18:51*** RC quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:51 Ohmfg Yay!
Laur doesn't like people being in chat wrote:18:33 Laurels Agh, people are here
18:33*** Laurels quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Germany vs. Germany! wrote:18:47 RC I should send my list of ideas to SOTF_Help once I get rid of the dumb ones on the list
18:48 Bikriki so you want to send them an empty list?
wrote:19:40 uyugin taking bets on who will be the big douche in v6
19:40 Kilmarnock Actually I'm going with Laur.
wrote:14:01 Kilmarnock Girl!Slam was cute I guess.
wrote:11:29 Naft Dude uncool
11:29 Naft I was talking about conceptual penises and you made the penises real
wrote:13:59 Solitair I love seeing people get mentally broken
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trash
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Joined: May 31st, 2013, 7:29 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:49 am #3

The Burned Handler wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what makes a birthday in itself so easily identifiable? Lots of people are born on say, March 3rd.
it's easy to identify someone by it if they have any other info floating around. + since a ton of us have pictures up, location info in profiles or go by our real names it could def be a concern

i'm all for it. i'd hate for someone to get found or doxxed or something b/c of unnecessary public info. they feel more like fun & games material anyway, it's not like we're discussing birthdays

on that note tho- can guests view birthdays in profiles or the calendar? i keep mine hidden too, but it'd be nice to auto-hide from guests if that's possible
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The Burned Handler
Mr. Danya
Joined: September 22nd, 2006, 2:19 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:50 am #4

Yeah, it was a stupid question once I thought about it. But in that case, what's stopping a handler who's especially angry at another from doxxing them anyway?
MurderWeasel getting impatient wrote:Hiya, jerk! Please don't post until edits have been completed, as doing so causes confusion/messes up the queue.
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork I have faith in you!
18:48 Ruggawork and your ass!
wrote:16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Iktor?
16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Toben.
16:35 Kilmarnock hard to tell until they make out with me.
16:35 *** mib_6brm7d is now known as Irene
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wrote:11:55 Zarina turns out I work best with people when most of the people are dead
wrote:18:30 Slam Well we don't really do showers in the UK
wrote:05:57 *** Christian joined #sotf
05:58 shotgunkid oh crap
wrote:05:54 frogue i can be a time consuming process!
wrote:16:47 Irene "let it sit for half an hour, it's better when it's not so cold" he said.
16:47 Irene well...
16:48 Irene it exploaded.
16:48 Irene all over my hands.
Gianni no wrote:15:54 Aloha Leg cramps happened suddenly and i can't move X_X
15:55 Gianni wb :3
wrote:21:20 *** Persy joined #sotf
21:21 Gianni Hey Persy!
21:21 Namira my mutant alchemist
wrote:21:31 Pancapples [The weather] Was beautiful today.
21:33 Solitair oh no
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork Who doesn't want to rape Bro
wrote:17:30 Ohm Sweet, I'm using then
wrote:14:18 Wes 'm so hungry ;c
14:18 Wes :c8
14:18 Wes...
14:18 Wes fuck it
14:18 mib_7zyd33 That's not what you're supposed to do to food.
14:19 Imehal Nah, that's kinda par for the course around here.
14:19--- Ohm is away (Ew)
wrote:14:50Pancapples I kinda miss the Crusades now.
Bad Ohm! wrote:18:51*** RC quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:51 Ohmfg Yay!
Laur doesn't like people being in chat wrote:18:33 Laurels Agh, people are here
18:33*** Laurels quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Germany vs. Germany! wrote:18:47 RC I should send my list of ideas to SOTF_Help once I get rid of the dumb ones on the list
18:48 Bikriki so you want to send them an empty list?
wrote:19:40 uyugin taking bets on who will be the big douche in v6
19:40 Kilmarnock Actually I'm going with Laur.
wrote:14:01 Kilmarnock Girl!Slam was cute I guess.
wrote:11:29 Naft Dude uncool
11:29 Naft I was talking about conceptual penises and you made the penises real
wrote:13:59 Solitair I love seeing people get mentally broken
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MurderWeasel
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Joined: February 18th, 2009, 7:01 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:50 am #5

It's when connected with a name or username. Basically, if you're going digging for someone you tend to google their UN and/or name. If the birthday matches between two sites, it makes it way easier to say that it's the same person, whereas if it's missing in one place or the other it's a lot harder to be sure. Usually when I go digging, a large part of it is correlating different accounts and building a picture from the pieces of overlap to then find more info.
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Rattlesnake
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Joined: January 4th, 2009, 9:01 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:52 am #6

It's not a big issue in itself, but it's a huge force multiplier if you have a little bit of information. When you have 800 Bob Joneses to pick from and then you find out the birthday for the one you want, suddenly it's down to ~two. Or if you don't know the username but there are a few that have some possible connection, suddenly you can say, well, we called this guy Rattlesnake in highschool and this one's got his birthday, so it could very well be him.

Edit: late to the party lol.

But it's another layer of security at least.
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MurderWeasel
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Joined: February 18th, 2009, 7:01 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:54 am #7

trash wrote:on that note tho- can guests view birthdays in profiles or the calendar? i keep mine hidden too, but it'd be nice to auto-hide from guests if that's possible
Pretty sure I can turn calendar off for guests, but I think it shows in your profile no matter what. I'll go digging, though.
TBH wrote:But in that case, what's stopping a handler who's especially angry at another from doxxing them anyway?
That'd almost certainly result in some really heavy clampdown by staff. Becoming an offline threat to people is a huge issue and we take it really seriously. I'm pretty experienced at getting stuff taken down from sites where it's hosted without permission/to cause trouble (thanks, PDF Converter, for uploading my resume to the internet complete with my address and phone number!).
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The Burned Handler
Mr. Danya
Joined: September 22nd, 2006, 2:19 am

October 20th, 2014, 2:56 am #8

Yeah, I guess where I'm coming from is this would make it harder for non-members to doxx people, but we don't have any in built protections from members who might be inclined (this is purely hypothetical, nobody is being alluded to) aside from "we will be very cross with you."
MurderWeasel getting impatient wrote:Hiya, jerk! Please don't post until edits have been completed, as doing so causes confusion/messes up the queue.
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork I have faith in you!
18:48 Ruggawork and your ass!
wrote:16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Iktor?
16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Toben.
16:35 Kilmarnock hard to tell until they make out with me.
16:35 *** mib_6brm7d is now known as Irene
[+] Spoiler
wrote:11:55 Zarina turns out I work best with people when most of the people are dead
wrote:18:30 Slam Well we don't really do showers in the UK
wrote:05:57 *** Christian joined #sotf
05:58 shotgunkid oh crap
wrote:05:54 frogue i can be a time consuming process!
wrote:16:47 Irene "let it sit for half an hour, it's better when it's not so cold" he said.
16:47 Irene well...
16:48 Irene it exploaded.
16:48 Irene all over my hands.
Gianni no wrote:15:54 Aloha Leg cramps happened suddenly and i can't move X_X
15:55 Gianni wb :3
wrote:21:20 *** Persy joined #sotf
21:21 Gianni Hey Persy!
21:21 Namira my mutant alchemist
wrote:21:31 Pancapples [The weather] Was beautiful today.
21:33 Solitair oh no
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork Who doesn't want to rape Bro
wrote:17:30 Ohm Sweet, I'm using then
wrote:14:18 Wes 'm so hungry ;c
14:18 Wes :c8
14:18 Wes...
14:18 Wes fuck it
14:18 mib_7zyd33 That's not what you're supposed to do to food.
14:19 Imehal Nah, that's kinda par for the course around here.
14:19--- Ohm is away (Ew)
wrote:14:50Pancapples I kinda miss the Crusades now.
Bad Ohm! wrote:18:51*** RC quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:51 Ohmfg Yay!
Laur doesn't like people being in chat wrote:18:33 Laurels Agh, people are here
18:33*** Laurels quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Germany vs. Germany! wrote:18:47 RC I should send my list of ideas to SOTF_Help once I get rid of the dumb ones on the list
18:48 Bikriki so you want to send them an empty list?
wrote:19:40 uyugin taking bets on who will be the big douche in v6
19:40 Kilmarnock Actually I'm going with Laur.
wrote:14:01 Kilmarnock Girl!Slam was cute I guess.
wrote:11:29 Naft Dude uncool
11:29 Naft I was talking about conceptual penises and you made the penises real
wrote:13:59 Solitair I love seeing people get mentally broken
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trash
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Joined: May 31st, 2013, 7:29 am

October 20th, 2014, 3:01 am #9

The Burned Handler wrote:Yeah, I guess where I'm coming from is this would make it harder for non-members to doxx people, but we don't have any in built protections from members who might be inclined (this is purely hypothetical, nobody is being alluded to) aside from "we will be very cross with you."
zeta's security options are pretty subpar and it's an issue. at a certain point it's up to the community to identify and protect each other from toxic members + harassers. i think this bunch has historically been pretty good about that tho, and an little extra security takes some of the pressure off

@rattle: i hope they called you rattlesnake in high school for the reason i'm thinking they did
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The Burned Handler
Mr. Danya
Joined: September 22nd, 2006, 2:19 am

October 20th, 2014, 3:04 am #10

Yeah, I'm fully on board with this extra measure, I was just also taking the opportunity to draw attention to aforesaid lacking security options.
MurderWeasel getting impatient wrote:Hiya, jerk! Please don't post until edits have been completed, as doing so causes confusion/messes up the queue.
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork I have faith in you!
18:48 Ruggawork and your ass!
wrote:16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Iktor?
16:35 Kilmarnock Maybe Toben.
16:35 Kilmarnock hard to tell until they make out with me.
16:35 *** mib_6brm7d is now known as Irene
[+] Spoiler
wrote:11:55 Zarina turns out I work best with people when most of the people are dead
wrote:18:30 Slam Well we don't really do showers in the UK
wrote:05:57 *** Christian joined #sotf
05:58 shotgunkid oh crap
wrote:05:54 frogue i can be a time consuming process!
wrote:16:47 Irene "let it sit for half an hour, it's better when it's not so cold" he said.
16:47 Irene well...
16:48 Irene it exploaded.
16:48 Irene all over my hands.
Gianni no wrote:15:54 Aloha Leg cramps happened suddenly and i can't move X_X
15:55 Gianni wb :3
wrote:21:20 *** Persy joined #sotf
21:21 Gianni Hey Persy!
21:21 Namira my mutant alchemist
wrote:21:31 Pancapples [The weather] Was beautiful today.
21:33 Solitair oh no
wrote:18:48 Ruggawork Who doesn't want to rape Bro
wrote:17:30 Ohm Sweet, I'm using then
wrote:14:18 Wes 'm so hungry ;c
14:18 Wes :c8
14:18 Wes...
14:18 Wes fuck it
14:18 mib_7zyd33 That's not what you're supposed to do to food.
14:19 Imehal Nah, that's kinda par for the course around here.
14:19--- Ohm is away (Ew)
wrote:14:50Pancapples I kinda miss the Crusades now.
Bad Ohm! wrote:18:51*** RC quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:51 Ohmfg Yay!
Laur doesn't like people being in chat wrote:18:33 Laurels Agh, people are here
18:33*** Laurels quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Germany vs. Germany! wrote:18:47 RC I should send my list of ideas to SOTF_Help once I get rid of the dumb ones on the list
18:48 Bikriki so you want to send them an empty list?
wrote:19:40 uyugin taking bets on who will be the big douche in v6
19:40 Kilmarnock Actually I'm going with Laur.
wrote:14:01 Kilmarnock Girl!Slam was cute I guess.
wrote:11:29 Naft Dude uncool
11:29 Naft I was talking about conceptual penises and you made the penises real
wrote:13:59 Solitair I love seeing people get mentally broken
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NotAFlyingToy
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Joined: April 9th, 2013, 1:26 pm

October 20th, 2014, 3:44 am #11

Please do this! One of my earliest memories of SOTF Is bring INCREDIBLY uncomfortable because Toben wished me a happy birthday in a public spot without my consent. I'd love for this to be moved.
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Aura
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October 20th, 2014, 5:26 am #12

Yeah, I'm all for this. Security is a good thing.

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v5 Characters:

B029- Matt Masters- DECEASED (114/152)

B043- Adonis Alba- DECEASED (124/152)

G051- Stacey Mordetsky- DECEASED (136/152)
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1245
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October 20th, 2014, 11:51 am #13

I guess I'll just change my birthday to February 30.

But yeah, I think it is a real cool idea, Toben! Due to the reasons stated above.

However, I personally would actually prefer just 1 general birthday thread where people can post and congratulate whenever somebody has his/her birthday instead of having thousands of threads in a forum. But that's just my opinion. I'm curious how General Discussion will look like without the Birthday Threads. I bet I'd discover threads that nobody has ever seen before. And then Fun and Games suddenly won't have 9 pages anymore o_o
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Badb
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Joined: February 16th, 2009, 8:51 pm

October 20th, 2014, 2:27 pm #14

but what will we use general discussion for if we can't flood it with birthday threads?

(birthday threads should always be in f&g. they're low-effort posting and there's too many of them. also, privacy i guess?)
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G029 - Zoe Leverett - DECEASED - Machete - To Really Be Alone, To Pick At All the Bones
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Namira
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Joined: May 28th, 2007, 12:31 pm

October 20th, 2014, 4:13 pm #15

This is a good idea.

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13:59 Gianni you are proud, not embarrassed
13:59 Christian Yes
13:59 Christian Be proud
13:59 Christian Do we not all strive to break a human soul?
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