Ideas on how to make the Forum active again?

RedZ · Jan 01, 2009#12009-01-01T01:48

I'm not sure weather or not ATLUS will create another SBK game since it's been a while SBK: Snowboard Kids came out about 3 yrs ago... Ah wait make that 4 since it's going to be 2009 soon.

Eitherway, I'm not quite sure how to make the forums back running lively again, got any plans ^^;?

Peachrocks · Jan 01, 2009#22009-01-01T17:11

Well I was waiting and seeing how many people were still active because really that's going to change what we can do, I'm not so sure RPing really works at low numbers. I could try some fanfic writing, I'm much better at character design/plot then I once was, but I've still got a few weaknesses in my style but oh wells

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I wonder if Linda knows some of the people we used to hang out with together and if there's any chance of trying to get people back together.

I myself am introducing a few people back into SBK2 (because we really didn't know what else to play) and that's working out rather well

RedZ · Jan 02, 2009#32009-01-02T01:46

Peachrocks @ Jan 1 2009, 05:11:52 PM wrote: Well I was waiting and seeing how many people were still active because really that's going to change what we can do, I'm not so sure RPing really works at low numbers. I could try some fanfic writing, I'm much better at character design/plot then I once was, but I've still got a few weaknesses in my style but oh wells .

I wonder if Linda knows some of the people we used to hang out with together and if there's any chance of trying to get people back together.

I myself am introducing a few people back into SBK2 (because we really didn't know what else to play) and that's working out rather well

Heheh, I see.

Hopefully the project I'm working on will bring some SBKW Forum back lively again.

Man... You don't think this forum will be alive again if there's another SBK game on the way xD;; (Just like the SBK for the DS) Just a random thought.

Peachrocks · Jan 02, 2009#42009-01-02T15:56

Well possibly but lets be fair, not many of us recognise a lot of what went on in the DS game and we still treat the characters as they were in SBK1 and 2, (i.e no ice queen Nancy/bully Tommy). Aside from a few things its as if the DS game never happened and the lack of success for it sort of indicates there won't be another.

Personally I think the series can succeed since some Mario kart players no doubt get frustrated by stupid rubbish like blue spiny shells, SBK2 is a far better balanced game which is the biggest reason (aside the characters) I play it so often. A lot of people I introduce to the series who is a Mario kart player generally prefers SBK2 very quickly because the items are far better balanced. There is a leader screw item (ghost) but it doesn't sabotage you anywhere near as badly and you can still defend yourself from attack.

I think its possible that it would come alive again if a new game came out, but it's not neccessary. Streets of Rage for example hasnt had a new game since 94 yet its fan base is huge and there's a fan made remake for it which is still get worked on.

Which project do you speak of? Or is it a secret? Oh and do you have any fan made characters? You might have already introduced this sort of stuff to the site, but I have obviously been away for a LOONG time

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Linda Maltinie · Jan 03, 2009#52009-01-03T00:10

This is the type of activity I have been looking for!

Personally I am interested in looking into how if a sequel was to be made to the rest of the SBK series, or if SBK: DS was to be incorporated as accepted into the series, what would be the game after it? What would explain Linda's disappearance?

Plus, a better explanation would be appreciated for the kids in their new genres. I'm sorry, but many of them do not make any sense.

- Linda

Peachrocks · Jan 03, 2009#62009-01-03T03:46

There's a lot of things in SBK DS that lack explanation. Linda's disappearance, Nancy and Tommy's personality transplants.

If you want an explanation how about this? Before SBK DS Damien abducted Linda, Tommy and Nancy. However Tommy and Nancy escaped but not before Damien was able to transplant some of the less social aspects of Linda's personality to them resulting in Nancy becoming an ice queen and Tommy becoming a bully and their 'time together' would explain why Tommy is somewhat attracted to her.

However when Linda returns she is a sweet, modest girl, which ends up agitating Nicole even more because she refuses to be drawn into any sort of 'catfight', assuming SBK+ characters would appear. Why did Damien do this? To create chaos why else. Will Nancy, Tommy and Linda be returned to their right state of mind? Possibly. Is this entire plot rubbish? Of course it is... but that's what would need to happen to make SBK DS remotely believeable.

Really its because of these 'changes' to the characters that SBK DS will unlikely be ever accepted. Let's get out of this weird reality and talk realistically though. If another SBK game is made it is hard to know which way the series will go, SBK DS didn't exactly do well, so one would think that they'd attempt to play off the original games. Quite honestly with the Wii's popularity and general appeal to the casual gamer, SBK would surely do better with the more accepted style anyway. Then just pretended the events in SBK DS never happened. If they base off SBK DS, I'd bet that Linda would not appear again and her disapperance would never be explained.

The characters can grow and to be honest I was more supportive of such character development but definately not the way they did in SBK DS.

RedZ · Jan 03, 2009#72009-01-03T04:57

Yeah... Tell me about it :\. I wasn't impressed when the creator of SBK DS made the characters humans instead of big nose/long nosed characters with round eyes.

That also includes the rapid change of Nancy and Tommy's personality... It kind of blows since Nancy was my favourite playable character in the series. =\

Ah btw Peachrocks, I'm planning to create a fan game cover of SBK

. Also, what's even better is that not only I'll return the characters we know (like Linda), I'm returning the old style back and revert the original personality of Tommy and Nancy.

It will always be their art sig

. So far I got Slash done, but Nancy is WIP.

Peachrocks · Jan 03, 2009#82009-01-03T05:34

Well they could have changed their look, but to outright change the personalities and to remove one of the key characters of the series is just a big no no. They basically changed everything that was core to the SBK series, they might as well given it a different name too and made it some sort of weird crossover.

GeckoPwnz · Jan 03, 2009#92009-01-03T16:29

Man I've missed out on alot during the Christmas break, anyways back to the discussion.

One thing they changed in SBK:DS is the age difference between the characters, they all used to be the same age, now some of them are 2-3 years apart. Did Tommy just get an age accelerant or did the rest of the kids spend too much time in space? I honestly don't think there would be an adequate explanation for that.

If there were a new game to come up, it should be an interquel between SBK2 and SBKDS. Disregarding the whole SBKDS timeline could work as well due to the radical change between the games and its unpopularity. It would be a chance for SBK to go back to its roots with the character design and gameplay. Considering the mechanics of the Wii it is possible to have some innovation in the controls as well. Interquels worked for the Street Fighter series, if ATLUS has enough interest in reviving the series we should be in for a treat.

The fan game cover sounds interesting, I initially thought that you were creating box art but it sounds like you (and possibly others) are trying to create a game! It possible can you fill us in? I would like to see how everything will turn out.

RedZ · Jan 03, 2009#102009-01-03T16:55

GeckoPwnz @ Jan 3 2009, 04:29:44 PM wrote:Man I've missed out on alot during the Christmas break, anyways back to the discussion.

One thing they changed in SBK:DS is the age difference between the characters, they all used to be the same age, now some of them are 2-3 years apart.  Did Tommy just get an age accelerant or did the rest of the kids spend too much time in space? I honestly don't think there would be an adequate explanation for that.

If there were a new game to come up, it should be an interquel between SBK2 and SBKDS.  Disregarding the whole SBKDS timeline could work as well due to the radical change between the games and its unpopularity.  It would be a chance for SBK to go back to its roots with the character design and gameplay.  Considering the mechanics of the Wii it is possible to have some innovation in the controls as well.  Interquels worked for the Street Fighter series, if ATLUS has enough interest in reviving the series we should be in for a treat.

The fan game cover sounds interesting, I initially thought that you were creating box art but it sounds like you (and possibly others) are trying to create a game!  It possible can you fill us in?  I would like to see how everything will turn out.

Heheh. Well ....

I can't really display more info of what I came up with just yet =P. I don't want to ruin the surprise. I'll first try to get the artwork done first.

So far I made lots of character concepts for most of the characters (since years ago) I might post that soon... Might =P

Peachrocks · Jan 03, 2009#112009-01-03T17:51

I'd hope if there was an SBK game for Wii they wouldn't go nuts on Wiimote controls, we know how SBK DS turned out because they overdid it on DS features. Some people jokingly call me Wiimo (instead of emo) because of how anti Wiimote I am, truthfully I don't despise it and some games do pull it off well. However a depressing amount of games just tack it in and make the gameplay far worse in consequence.

In general I'm just anti tack on, but I get a good laugh out of wiimo.

RedZ · Jan 03, 2009#122009-01-03T19:16

Aw man... The series is going downhill after the DS came out. Not to sound rash, but you don't think they're trying to get rid of the SBK series ._. (Ok I'm just over reacting but...)

Eh... I dunno. I haven't the played the DS game yet since it's hard to find. So I can't fully judge the game yet.... How's the story plot and everything in the game (For those who played it)?

I heard that there's a lot of personality mess ups in the series (except for Jam I believe). Perhaps the music too?

Peachrocks · Jan 03, 2009#132009-01-03T19:30

I actually haven't played it either, but I thought Slash and Jam remained intact. I was actually quite pleased with their designs for SBK DS, and Brad (aside from replacing Linda) was an ok idea, the others and general changing of the characters stats... no, not so much.

I wouldn't say they were delibrately trying to kill off the series. I think they were just trying to appeal to a new group of gamers, but they went about it the wrong way and they had too much competition to have any hope of winning fans that way and also caused a few older fans not to bother with it.

If SBK DS had been a standalone game (rather than being tagged with the Snowboard Kids name and characters) it may have been accepted for what it was, but it still would have been terribly outclassed. There were numerous things that went against it.

RedZ · Jan 04, 2009#142009-01-04T02:04

Heheh, I see.

Linda Maltinie · Jan 04, 2009#152009-01-04T03:38

The game took way too much away from the original SBK games. It's as if the previous personalities of most of the characters was just scrapped and replaced with something we weren't used to.

Some characters have alibis, like Brad, but others it just doesn't make any logical sense as to why the personalities were changed.

- What made Nancy into a rich girl with an attitude problem? She basically became Linda, but much worse!

- What made Tommy into a bully, from being the easy-going type he was before? What set him off, if anything?

- What motivated Brad to join the game? The ending makes no sense with Brad, he was after Nancy, not Slash!

- Koyuki has NO logical reason to be in the game. Tracking some weather satellite? Even the ending doesn't cover that!

Really, only Slash and Jam have any form of acceptable personalities, they actually carried over well enough. Everything else, from the controls to the trick system, to the uncreative items and over-use of the DS features made the game way too frustrating to actually be fun in my case.

- Linda

GeckoPwnz · Jan 04, 2009#162009-01-04T06:16

To sum up everything said so far: Gimmicky controls + total disregard for past series + Unessesary overhaul of characters and story = Very bad sequel.

Personally I was hoping that there is going to be a game that celebrates the 10th anniversary of the series, unfortunately that day has already past and the 10th anniversary of the SBK2 North American and Japanese releases are fast approaching.

RedZ · Jan 04, 2009#172009-01-04T18:33

Linda Maltinie @ Jan 4 2009, 03:38:10 AM wrote:The game took way too much away from the original SBK games. It's as if the previous personalities of most of the characters was just scrapped and replaced with something we weren't used to.

Some characters have alibis, like Brad, but others it just doesn't make any logical sense as to why the personalities were changed.

- What made Nancy into a rich girl with an attitude problem? She basically became Linda, but much worse!

- What made Tommy into a bully, from being the easy-going type he was before? What set him off, if anything?

- What motivated Brad to join the game? The ending makes no sense with Brad, he was after Nancy, not Slash!

- Koyuki has NO logical reason to be in the game. Tracking some weather satellite? Even the ending doesn't cover that!

Really, only Slash and Jam have any form of acceptable personalities, they actually carried over well enough. Everything else, from the controls to the trick system, to the uncreative items and over-use of the DS features made the game way too frustrating to actually be fun in my case.

- Linda   

Wow, and I thought I was crazy for thinking about it

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But I strongly agree with ya though.

Nancy indeed is very similar to Linda but worse. The real question is: What suddenly made her rich while her personality drastically changed? *hand under chin*

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And what about Tommy according what Linda stated earlier. What really made him become a bully?

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For Brad. I do agree that the story will make more sense if Slash goes after Nancy. I mean Brad was first introduced on SBK DS, and he's suddenly going after Nancy? (Love at first sight perhaps anyone *shot*)

At first when I first looked at Koyuki, I thought she was a replacement character of Nancy. But according to the story plot she joined due to some weather satellite...? Wtheck?

I honestly thought for the SBK DS, they could will return all of the characters from SBK - SBK 2 with an interesting twist of the story. I mean comeon...

I still haven't played the DS game yet, so I don't really know much about the weapons and such. But man...

I wonder if the creators of SBK are reading this xD; (random thought) I HOPE SO D: *killed*

Jan 04, 2009#182009-01-04T18:36

Oh oh!

And how about this?

How... Did the characters suddenly into humans O_o? *forgot to add that*

Peachrocks · Jan 04, 2009#192009-01-04T18:57

As much as I prefer the tradtional style for the SBK looks, I think seeing them as they were in SBK DS was an interesting twist and if not for everything else that was wrong about the game this may have been more accepted.

However like I've been saying from the start, blame Damien, its too illogical to blame anything else.

RedZ · Jan 04, 2009#202009-01-04T20:31

Peachrocks @ Jan 4 2009, 06:57:21 PM wrote: As much as I prefer the tradtional style for the SBK looks, I think seeing them as they were in SBK DS was an interesting twist and if not for everything else that was wrong about the game this may have been more accepted.

However like I've been saying from the start, blame Damien, its too illogical to blame anything else.

Hmm I don't quite understand how Damien is the blame for the series. He seemed fine on SBK 2 when it comes to his plot twist of the story (giving the SBKids a hard time of some sort)

Peachrocks · Jan 04, 2009#212009-01-04T20:59

No no you misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with Damien, its sort of half a joke and Damien's underworld status who somehow causes all these illogical changes in Snow Town simply to be a pest

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That'd be the only remotely believable canon based explanation unless you want to blame one of Wendy's astray inventions instead

. Take your pick.

GeckoPwnz · Jan 06, 2009#222009-01-06T04:46

Judging from the style and the characters, maybe the game simply is set in an alternate timeline or universe. One could argue that Linda doesn't exist in this alternate universe and has a male counterpart (Brad). As it has been suggested earlier the creators probably wanted a new spin on the series and attempted to revitalize it using this method. But we all know how that eventually turned out.

Peachrocks · Jan 06, 2009#232009-01-06T05:49

Perhaps, but Brad is clearly related to Linda. I really don't get it, it'd be realistic if they wanted to change Linda to make her like SBK DS Nancy (though some may consider this worse then her exclusion altogether), keep Slash and Jam and use new characters for everyone else, but there was so much off about it...

RedZ · Jan 09, 2009#242009-01-09T18:29

hmm.... I wonder if there will ever be a SBK game for the Wii...

GeckoPwnz · Jan 10, 2009#252009-01-10T13:01

It would be interesting if there will be one, hopefully it will be a welcoming addition to the series.