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February 16th, 2017, 5:35 pm #21

Can simple language have cases but not gender? And be understood?
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February 17th, 2017, 8:36 am #22

Well, probably yes. English sometimes has got a default case :
You see me (not : You see I.).
Noun gender if exists in English doesn't influence on other parts of the speech in the sentence.
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February 22nd, 2017, 12:27 pm #23

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April 10th, 2017, 11:56 am #24

Suddenly a white rabbit comes out of a bush. Izjedna beli zajec izide iz kust.

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IZ as a preposition means generally 'out of'; IZ- as a prefix added to verbs implies the movement out of sth, e.g. iti 'to go' ( ide 'goes') --> iz-iti 'to go out'.
Indeed, the adverb izjedna 'suddenly' is built with this prefix IZ- and numeral form jeden 'one'.

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October 29th, 2017, 9:16 pm #25

Hmm… Jesm poględěl kurs. Čemu dľa «her» korystuje sę «jeje» v poslědnem urokě?
V odnom iz urokov korystuje sę akuzativ «kolbasu».
Može, stoji upotrěbiti elementy bòlgarskoj gramatiki, ględajųći za těm, kakò ovy język obhodi sę bez padežev.
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October 30th, 2017, 9:04 am #26

Ranmaru Rei wrote:Čemu dľa «her» korystuje sę «jeje» v poslědnem urokě?
Probably, because it's a more distinct form. (+ more etymological, btw).
wrote:V odnom iz urokov korystuje sę akuzativ «kolbasu».
If you mean ending -u, it's only for nouns ending in -a (mainly feminine). For the rest : Nom. = Acc.
wrote:kakò ovy język obhodi sę bez padežev.
плохо : it involves more uncommon constructions with prepositions and freezes word order.
If you have some other views on these issues, share here.
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October 30th, 2017, 1:19 pm #27

I thought about it, working on draft, reading Slovianto course on site, your course and Bulgarian grammar.
Have no any major idea about grammar, but I recommend to make some tables and lists.
For example, table of prounous:
Pronouns
SubjectObjectpossessive
jamene/memoj(a/e/i)
mynasnaš(a/e/i)
tytebe/tetvoj(a/e/i)
vynasvaš(a/e/i)
on/onojego/gojego
onajeja/jujeja
onijihjih
And introduce separate list for prepositions.
Actually, I hardly thought about pronouns for inderect object, like in Bulgarian, but it has no so much sence. Anyway:
1st - mene, nam
2nd - tebe, nam
3rd - jemu/mu, jej, jim
Meaning of some prepositions does not look clear for me without cases. Fore example, «so». In Russian it also may be used as «iz» when combined with accusative:
Я взял с вас деньги. - I took money from you.
Я иду с берега. - I'm going from a coast.
Also how to show possession in Slovianto. I assumed by passessive adjectives (Draganin otec, Stojanov drug), using them like in BCMS.
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October 31st, 2017, 9:44 am #28

Yeah, I think we should let possessive adjectives do their job. I wonder if they're universal enough. I think form of an indirect object as a possessive could sometimes work, too :
He is his father. On je mu otec.

I agree with your observation that a lack of cases could imply losses in the meaning of prepositions.
s + Gen. means putting down, off.

BTW, I've recently discovered a new meaning "za" for English "by" :
They are holding each others hands. Oni se drža za ruky.
He and his enemy grabbed each other by the throat. On i jego vrag se hytili za grla.
He's holding on to the door, to his head, belly, chest, legs. On se drži za dveri, za glavu, za brjuho, za grudi, za nogy.

Why jej-a for 'her'? Sounds quite odd to me.
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October 31st, 2017, 1:36 pm #29

Idk. Blame russian ears. Russian has «jejo» and had «jeja», when it was used as possesive to femenine: jejo muž, jejo slovo, jeja ruka. It was influenced by adjectives, I believe. I read sometimes books on prerevolutionary script. So, I'm familiar with this form. Also, it looks similar to Bulgarian «neja». Actually, now I think it was a mistake by me.
Looking on this this table situation for «her» looks insane (especially, if look on both acc. and gen.).
Currently, I believe the most safe option will be to use «ju» instead. Maybe, I am wrong.
For possessives: jegov(a/o/i), jejin(a/o/i), jihn(a/o/i).
Bulgarian uses «nejin(a/o/i)» for her as possessive: nejin drug, nejna ruka, nejno slovo.
Btw, when I was a child I used «onu»: I see her - Ja vižu onu.
UPD: I decided to read Bulgarian grammar this week to look on their decisions. Also, I have some issue with Imperfect in Interslavic. I made already draft of Aorist today. It looks nice, IMHO.
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November 2nd, 2017, 11:21 am #30

Vidim ju / onu. <-- I think it could work.

I don't feel good about possessives for "her' and 'his' (+ 'its'). Looks strange to me.
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