H&K as their contemporaries described them

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H&K




Jo-Lee Gallegos(5424)


H&K were "nice guys"




Jennifer Harmon(6536)


"I really didn't see who they didn't get along with. I mean, I've never seen anyone pick on them... Can't think of anyone picking on
'em at all."




Jeni LaPlante (Westword)


"I never saw them being hostile or dissing on other people."




FNU Kirchoff(LAT 4-27-99)


The youths had been paced in a junvile diversion program after being arrested for burglarizing a car. Their main job was cleaning up facilities for local
athletes, and Kirchhoff said that Harris and Klebold never seemed unhappy about that. ....Harris in particular, he added, was a 'great worKer.'




Nathan Dykeman(YB232)


"High School has the best of times and the worst of time, but though it all two guys have been with me. Thank you Dylan and Eric.




Geaorge Sneddon(5206)


Teacher, he indicated he knew H&K very well and considered them two of his best friends. "Dylan had at one time told him that he was one of the few
people that actually ever talked to him."




Michael Paavilainen(16418 )


"I ask him about Eric and Dylan being teased. He told me this year was lot less than last year. The group of jocks that graduated last year teased Eric
and Dylan a lot."




"Until two years ago, according to students who knew them, they blended into the school. But in their junior year, something went badly wrong. 'They
totally changed,' recalled Mike...."They started wearing all black and keeping to themselves. It was kind of weird.' "






MacLean's(5-3-99)


"The jocks put them down, says Nick. They got away with everything and people like me got away with nothing. Dylan and Eric really hated that."




Tiffany Typher(USATodayOnline, 5-3-99)


"Everywhere they went, they were teased about how they dressed."




Cory Friesen(10726)


Associate, thought H&K were being picked-on.




Charles Phillips(10867)


Associate, said H&K got picked-on a lot.




Nicole Shrieve,Jr


Watched as H&K, and ohers in the group, kept being picked on during school.




Mollie Wechsler(7356)


Says H&K were picked on by the teachers and the female employee of the tech lab. H&K would glare at her.




Josh Lapp(489)


Says H&K were anti-social. "Students did not dare talk to Harris and Klebold, or even get near them. Students would say 'hi' to them and they
would jump back into their faces."




Steve Vaughn(5125)


"After freshman year H&K seemed to mostly hang together and disassociate themselves from the rest of the student body."




Zach Heckler(10754)


Two years before 4-20, he accompanied H&K on a drive where they threw firecrackers in front of the homes of people Harris did not like. Says H&K were
racists.




Nick Foss(EP23-8 )


H&K into anti-government activities




Lydia Shofner(LAT 4-23-99)


"They were both kind of anti-everything"(she know them both well)




Yoshi Carrol(5417)


Says H&K often wrote about death, dark in nature.




Jordana Spaven(13545)


Eric and Dylan played in ther LARP game "Vampire-the Masuqerade" up in the mountains using toy weapons and acting out scripts that usually involved
warfare with other clans.




Rebecca Mandel(13334)


"Rebecca said Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were 'totally into video production.' "




"Rebecca said she did not witness the 'jocks' or any other students pick on Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold..... She sayed they stayed to
themselves."




Erik Veik(DRMN 10-21-99)


On H&K's videos: "They always were the same kind of videos: the boy said April 21, "They always wore trench coats. They always wanted to be
the intimidators--the good guys out to get the bad guys."




Dep Gardner(JCSO)(LAT 5-2-99)


"Garder said he kept an eye on both Harris and Klebold, engaging them in conversation, and reported only that they were respectful and seemingly
benign."




Peter Horvath(5706)


School disciplinarian, he saw potential for evil in H&K.














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Harris




LAT(4-22-99)


"One girl who knew Eric Harris said that he was the sweetest guy she had ever met and that he solicitoulsy attempted to cheer her up when she was
depressed."




Mother of Nicole Markham(8794)


"She did relate that Eric Harris was really funny."




Jason Romanus(9833)


"Spoke briefly about Harris being funny."




Melissa Walker(5993)


She did not think Harris was ridiculed because Harris had a lot of friends.




Dan Fleener(5558 )


Teacher, said Harris was "nice, respectful, compliant, good student, bright."




DRMN(5-2-99)


"Kulesza said he never saw any hints that Harris might someday turn violent. 'I saw ....him getting hit on the soccer field. He wouldn't get
angry, try to do anything, he'd just get up, shrug it off, not even given any nasty looks.' Kulesza said. 'That's why I'm shocked becasue I
knew him as a nice guy. Harris was sociable wtih other team members. ... He wasn't aggressive or overbearing... My impression was that anybody could have
gotten along with him."




Jesse Boyer(SDUT 4-2-99)


"He was a jock for so long." Boyer said. "Now he was into Nazi stuff."




Lydia Shofner(LAT, 4-22-99)


"Eric was a real nice guy. I know it sounds strange to say it, .... but to portray him as this maniac isn't right."




Alisa Owen(3982)


Klebold was a nice guy, Harris(who always wore a beret(?)) had a very dark side.




Alicia Oeetniczak(5067)


Harris was nice, but everything he wrote was really dark.




Kelli Brown(10675)


Harris was prejudiced and "also very hateful"




Sarah Jacob(17411)


Dated Harris, said he "hated life and people"




Dominic Duran(6023)


Harris' creative writings were always about war or killings.




Heckler(10755)


In summer of '98, Harris changed his manner of dress and the music he listened to.




Michael Bierman(6134)


In one of his essays Harris wrote about being a shotgun pellet entering a body. He started wearing a trenchcoat in January of '99.




Christin Mikesell(5784)


She suspended Harris over the hacking incident. She said he took it well as he continued to talk to her.




Adam Thomas(1211)


Says Harris had been given the nickname of "Du hast" (German for 'you hate').




Jennifer Hazens(4964)


Harris went to halloween party as the Unabomber.




Christine Epling(10717)


Says Harris was punched in the face by Dan Lab(aka 'pretty boy') back in '98




Evan Vitale(1246)


Says Harris fought with Cale Kennedy.




Kevin Larson(5024)


Says Harris shot out garage window with a BBgun at Brook Brown's house.




Caleb Newberry(1593)


"stated that Harris appeared to always be angry"




Monica Schuster(1139)


Says Harris "much more angry".




Megan Morrison(5050)


Says Harris always looked angry and in a hurry.




Sara Martin(5034)


Said Harris was quiet, closed-up, and bitter.




Kyle Morton(3786)


Harris very withdrawn in the class they shared.




Jeremy Smith(4463)


Harris was very quiet in their class and not very friendly.




Aaron Smith(24424)


"Knew Harris from French class but Harris segregated himself, only associating with the trench coat mafia."




Scott Rathbun(5058 )


In the middle of Harris' junior year he became introverted and got to the point that he did not talk to people. "Eric was an outcast because he chose
to be....he became very introverted and anti-social with just about everyone except Klebold."




Crystal Bragazzi(5225)


"This year, Harris has acted like he did not even know Bragazzi and would not respond if she said hello."




Megan Minger(5526)


Harris gave her an evil stare for 5-10 minutes at the after-prom party.




Michael Biggs(6139)


He felt intimidated by Harris, who stared at him, which he said was a common tactic of the TCM.




Nathan Wittkorp(aka Red)(13633)


Associate, says Eric Harris 'really got weird' in last six months.




Chris Meier(5327)


"This year Harris turned 'weird'."




Stephen Partridge(5945)


Harris seemed 'unstable'




Michelle Hartsough(10150)


BJ co-worker Harris "often seemed paranoid"




Greg Hofer(6623)


Harris bought his GI Joe dolls so he could destroy them by shooting them with a BB gun, impale them, wrap fishing line around their necks.




Melissa Chavez(9023)


Says Harris talked of suicide because he was picked on.




Redacted person on hit list(10264)


Harris relentlessly teased by kids in gym class.




Nathan Lopatin(2016)


"when Harris backed into his car Harris had become angry and started to shake and pound on his steering wheel"




Jennifer Paavilainen(6977)


Says Harris got angry after minor car accident in Jan '99




Evans McClaugherty(2038 )


Bumped into Harris who became angry and pushing ensued. Evans told that he should "watch his back."




Keith Parkison(1069)


Said Harris and the TCM began picking on people in Jan' of '99-




-Craig Place(1090)


Says Harris picked on freshmen.




--Jason Kirk(5014)


Says Harris waved a shotgun at him back in July 4 of '98




--Dustin Thurman(7260)


A wrestler, says he had problems with Harris and Klebold in the past; says Harris wanted to fight him in the parking lot of the school back in '98. (Then,
in another interview the next day, says he never had an argument with H or K(??))




Megan Minger(5526)


Saw Haris on 4-20 at the top of the outside stairs. "Eric was scary, looked really pissed off."














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Klebold




Sam Granillo(Rolling Stone, 6-10-99)


"I've known Dylan since I was ten. He was a good kid."




Tim Kastle(3416)


Says Klebold was a good guy---shooting was out of character for him.




Nathan Dykeman(DRMN, 5-29-99)


Dylan was a complete pacifist.... there wasn't an ounce of violence in himn."




Kellie Brown (10680)


Says "Dylan was the same happy person that he normally is and was very talkative and friendly.... with him joking a lot." prom night?``




Denver Rocky Mountain News,5-15-99


"He(Klebold) was in a really great mood that night," she said. "It's been portrayed as Eric and Dylan against the whole school. It
wasn't like that. .... They had friends. They had a lot of friends."




Principle Frank DeAngelis(DRMN, 8-35-99)


"Students who are alienated... do not attned a senior prom. ..Neither boy, he said, had any diisciplinarian problems with school."




DK Diversion File(pg 55 of 80)


"nice, young man, kind of goofy, and a bizarre sense of humor, he makes me laugh"




Terra Oglesbee(Time, 5-10-99)


Dylan told he "couldn't wait to graduate."




DP(6-19-99)


Parents: "We did not see anger or hatred in Dylan until the last moment of his life."




Adam Kyler(247)


Says Dylan bullied him in 11-12/'98; reported to school authorities.




Tara Zobjeck(9416)


Klebold cheated on games in gym class and was always pushing people. "He was like a loner in that class. ... Nobody liked him."




Ali Boukhalfa(2522)


Saw student who bumped into Klebold and get into a shoving match.




Keith Parkison(1069)


Said that he and Klebold had "recently gotten into physical fights between each other in the past..." "Dylan picked on him, and finally the
harassment nearly caused a fight." He said "he never saw anybody pick on Dylan Klebold, however he did see Dylan Klebold pick on other people."




Sara Martin(5034)


Says Klebold would get very angry in class during junior year and start throwing things around.




Teresa Miller(5926)


Teacher, described Klebold as an angry student. "Dylan would walk out of the class and slam her door against the wall.




Michelle Hartsough(10150)


BJ co-worker Klebold "difficult person who was often rude." She claims Kelbold hit her once after she counseled him about work.




Makai Hall(8889)


Said Dylan had a very bad temper and couldn't control it. "Dylan throughout the course of the (French) class, was very openly 'disrespectful'
to her and quite often times swore in the class openly. ....Zack(Heckler)... also actied toward Mrs. Lutz in the same manner."




Amanda Paukane(1074)


Thought TCM were bisexual, including H&K. Harris very nice, Klebold mean and sarcastic. Klebold banned from Chatfield(21234)\




Candice Cushman(2794)


Saw H&K in the hall on Monday--"they stopped over to run into me, then they laughed."




Seth Biggi(2475)


Says that on Friday, 4-16, Klebold picked a fight with an unknown athelete.




Terry Lawson(3531)


Says "this action by H&K did not really surprise him, based on some of their beliefs and actions."




David Yager(4806)


Says Klebold was quiet and didn't make friends.




Ben Smith(5099)


"Klebold never interacted with people..."




John Husband(5285)


"Dylan routinely stayed to himself in class"




Denise Bowers(6172)


In video class, Klebold "kept very much to himself"




Kathryn Urbarri(5117)


Knew Klebold in elementary school--he had no friends and would become angry quickly and easily for unknown reasons.




Sara Schweitzberger


Shared gym with Klebold, she said it was obvious he felt socially ostacized. "He really felf unloved.... He was lonely."




Peter Horvath(5706)


Dylan was a pretty angry kid, upset about stuff at home, school. Had "anger issues with his father". Though about a month before 4-20, Dylan appeared
excited about his future and graduating. He was "very direct, mature, and outspoken."




Layne Newton(5058 )


Had class with Klebold--when she offered to partner with him on class project, he "got upset and turned her offer down, refusing to be her
partner."(2-3 weeks before 4-20)




Nicole Ziccardi(4825)


Had gym with Klebold, who always had a sneer on his face that seemed to her to be hateful looking.




Matt Good(OC Register 4-22-99)


Klebold "seemed really mean. He glared at people all the time." Several other students commented on Klebold's temper.




Tommie Nykannen(5179)


School employee, she says Klebold laughed inapproriately at her in defiance. She was afraid of him.




Jeffrey Hulse(5468 )


Says Klebold hated him because he was allowed to use school's computers and K wasn't.




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Bumper sticker on his black BMW said "I hate this town"




Heckler(10756)


Klebold had a problem with alcohol.
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9:44 AM - May 23, 2004 #2

The impression I get from the above quotes is that H&K were not the "meek ones who wouldn't fight back", as you'd expect the pathologically bullied to be. No, the impression I get is that H&K were more like "self-pitying assholes with chips on their shoulders." (as were the rest of the TCM)
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11:15 AM - May 23, 2004 #3

Yeah, I am always struck by how many people considered these guys their friends and how many of these TCMers there were. When I went to school, with a graduating class of over a 1000, I had MAYBE 4 or five people who were my friends. Dylan had two different people call him the night before the murders. Plus he had Eric. I must have averaged 2 calls a week from people, if that. They both had people who liked them and who would go bowling or see a video with them. Robyn had a crush on Dylan and she was a pretty, high GPA student. Eric may not have gone to the prom but he did have dates, as recent as the previous weekend. The picked-on outcast, bullying thing holds little water with me. They had so much, really. Cars, freedom. They came from stable, two parent homes which is more than half of the kids have. Dylan's house looks modern and spacious and Eric's comfortable. I guess that is what makes it so interesting. Friends, family,talent, brains, stability and creature comforts and they still managed to be hateful and hopeless.
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12:45 PM - May 23, 2004 #4

I get e-mails somtimes from a person that KNEW Eric before Columbine. (before moving to Colorado.) They said that Eric was a sweet always friendly person. Loved sports and had several friends. Several months before 4-20, they said Eric was talking about visiting them summer of 1999. Getting away to see his friends.
Eric was supposed to have said he wanted to leave Columbine. He missed his friends and he was not happy at all since he went to Columbine school. He liked school work. the liked classes but he hated the way he and others were treated.
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4:20 PM - May 23, 2004 #5

Hmmm...that's very intresting, but I would consider some of those statements very suspect or outright wrong, i.e. Gardner's statement that he kept an eye on Eric and Dylan when in fact it's now known that this wasn't the case, DeAngelis' statement that student that aren't alienated do go to the prom when actually according to some accounts Dylan had to be convinced to go, and Horath's statement that Dylan had "anger issues" with his dad when actually Dylan said on the "Basement Tapes" that he loved his parents(and generally when someone knows when they're about to die, I wouldn't think that they would make something like that up), among others.
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6:19 PM - May 23, 2004 #6

Thanks Starviego, That is interesting! Good work! (still looking for the post you are talking about it I thought I had it)
This did not come from the report but I thought it interesting! Infact it is an old article....but if you have not read it it is interesting.
Fellow students describe shooting suspects as gloomy loners
By Dirk Johnson and James Brooke, The New York Times
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LITTLETON, Colo. -- The two Columbine High School seniors worked last Friday making pizzas. On Monday, they went bowling. And on Tuesday, it seems, they committed mass murder.
Nobody had taken Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold seriously.
They wore long black coats and hung with a clique of middle-class suburban teen-agers that called itself the trench-coat mafia. They lived with the familiar trappings of suburban comfort in a town with glorious views of the Rocky Mountain foothills.
They struck sullen, brooding poses. They talked about Hitler and wore clothes with German insignia. In February, they had completed a "diversion program" for first-time juvenile offenders, after their arrest for breaking into a van and stealing electronic equipment, according to the Jefferson County district attorney.
The other students say they wanted to portray themselves as rebels or villains. But mostly they were viewed as losers. "They were just a little weird," said Dara Ferguson, a 17-year-old junior and a cheerleader. "They wanted to be different."
Late Tuesday night, after the mass shooting at the high school, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco, acting on a warrant, searched the Harris house at the end of a cul-de-sac in Columbine Knolls, an 11-year-old subdivision they had moved to two years ago when Eric Harris' father retired from the military and took a civilian job.
The agents carted away computers, computer printouts, gas cans, boxes of matches, videocassettes and bags of books, including one titled "Doom," after the computer game.
Reporters did not see any weapons removed from the house.
The day before, the Harrises' next-door neighbor, Bill Konen, had been working in his yard when he heard Dylan Klebold drive up and ask Eric, "Do you have a metal baseball bat?"
"For the next 15 minutes, they were breaking bottles in a sack," Konen continued. "Apparently, they were making shrapnel.
"I would never have figured in a million years that bomb-making activities were going on, or any suspicious activities," he said, standing in his driveway, near a neighborhood watch association sign.
I think, that is funny in away...."near a neighborhood watch association sign." The police were not worried enough to follow-up on Judy and Randy's complaints.
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Some classmates said Eric Harris was good with computers, and apparently maintained a website on America Online. Files on the website, discovered after the shootings, depicted him as an avid player of Doom and Quake, two popular computer games in which players stalk their opponents through dungeon-like environments and try to kill them with high-powered weapons.
The files on Harris' Doom and Quake exploits contained programs he had written to work with the games, as well as his commentary on them. But despite coming in the context of computer games famous for their realistic violence, these files, scattered with enthusiastic observations and exclamation points, provided a glimpse at a teen-ager who seemed less angry and morbid than in the other postings attributed to him.
"It took me about 10 hours to finish this level, so send some comments to me once in awhile!" Harris wrote in one file, dated Nov. 26, 1996. His comments accompanied a program that he made available to the public on an Internet site.
Harris was listed as the author on dozens of files known as "wads," which allow players to add new levels of their own design to the games. In one file, he thanked Dylan Klebold for helping him test his program.
John C. Dvorak, a columnist at PC Magazine who discovered the site through his own Internet sleuthing on Wednesday, said he was struck by the ingenuousness of Harris' writing.
"It's just kid-like," Dvorak said. 'That's what's so troubling about it."
Also on Wednesday, the Simon Wiesenthal Institute, a group that monitors hate groups, said two of its researchers had come across the Harris website several months ago. "What both people remembered was how we got to that site, which was by looking at various anarchy and bomb-making listings," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the institute.
He said there were no threats that merited contacting law-enforcement officials or enough hate language to be listed on the institute's hate site list.
On Wednesday, Dyland Klebold's father, Tom, a geologist, and mother, Sue, who works for the Arapahoe County schools, issued a statement: "We cannot begin to convey our overwhelming sense of sorrow for everyone affected by this tragedy. Our thoughts, prayers and heartfelt apologies go out to the victims, their families, friends and the entire community."
Classmates described Klebold as tall and skinny, a bit gangly, with shaggy blonde hair. Harris was much shorter and dark-haired. Both favored the all-black attire known as part of "goth," the fashion of the mock-gothic musical subculture known for a fascination with death.
There is no known connection between the students' interest in goth or violent computer games and their rampage on Tuesday.
A photograph of Klebold in the 1998 yearbook is accompanied by a statement. "After going through many experiences in their lives," it read, "oftentimes students have regrets of past actions."
Columbine is regarded as a top-notch school, one of the draws to Littleton. A sheriff's deputy is posted to the school, but students say the officer's duties have mostly centered on catching students who park in faculty spaces.
They needed to be worrying on more than parking spaces, no wonder there was a Columbine.[/quote] OH, I FORGOT NO ONE BULLY AT COLUMBINE!
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Athletic prowess was often the way to popularity at Columbine, as at many schools, and students here say Harris and Klebold, who did not play sports, detested athletes.
"The athletes get a lot of attention at school," said Kristin Couris, a 17-year-old junior and lacrosse player, who said the school's closed-circuit television often carried accounts of ball-field heroics. "They didn't like that."
How the heck would she know if they liked it or not.
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Jeff Matthews, a 16-year-old junior, said Klebold and Harris had turned to the trenchcoat group because they did not fit with any other group. "I guess when you have a lack of friends, you feel unwanted," he said.
Sara Schweitzberger, 15, had a gym class with Klebold, and said it was obvious he felt socially ostracized. "He really felt unloved," she said. "He wasn't so bad. He was lonely. I just wish I could give him a hug and tell him that I care."
The trenchcoat group, which numbered from 10 to 30 students in a school of nearly 2,000, would usually keep its distance from the other students, often gathering under the steps during lunchtime, while everyone else ate at cafeteria tables.
"This is a pretty preppie, conservative school," said Miss Jackson. "Kids wear Ambercrombie, Tommy Hilfiger, American Eagle."
But Monica Schuster, a 17-year-old senior, said that she and a companion had double dated with Klebold and a friend of his at the senior prom last Saturday night.
"We had a great time," she said.
Wasn't Monica the one that went to lunch with Robyn on 4-20?
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Klebold was a nice guy, Harris(who always wore a beret(?)) had a very dark side.
I think she ment Chris Morris....don't you. And they look nothing alike. Anybody could have had bombs.
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Two years before 4-20, he accompanied H&K on a drive where they threw firecrackers in front of the homes of people Harris did not like. Says H&K were racists.
I can not find it now but I thought I had an article where Zach said Eric not Dylan hated anyone they just liked firecrackers, bombs and computer games. Does anyone remember that or did I get the name wrong.
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School disciplinarian, he saw potential for evil in H&K.
I find that interesting. If they so full of potential for evil why were they not watched the entire thime they were in school?
And they spoke with a forked tongue.....????
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3:44 PM - May 25, 2004 #8

Quiet loners worried other students
Trench Coat Mafia spoke about violence, carried reputation for being outsiders
By Tina Griego, Ann Imse
and Lynn Bartels
Denver Rocky Mountain News Staff Writers
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Around Columbine High School, they were known as the dorks, the loners, the outcasts.
They called themselves the Trench Coat Mafia. "Reb" and "Vodka" and "Grunt," smart kids with a taste for black dusters and heavy boots and makeup.
On Tuesday, police said two members of the Trench Coat Mafia -- Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- shot dozens of people at their school and then shot themselves.
They were "normal kids who did normal stuff," said their friends. "Normal kids" who talked about shooting and bombing, said kids they passed in the hall.
They also were kids who spoke German to each other, listened to German techno music and were fans of Adolf Hitler, said Matthew Good, a neighbor of Harris'. Tuesday was Hitler's birthday.
Friends and classmates gave conflicting descriptions of the pair. Some described quiet, bright eccentrics. Others called them silent, threatening figures clothed in black.
They were 10 kids in a clique who built Web sites for fun. Made movies about how to cope with being a teen-ager. Drank cream soda. Practiced swordplay with bamboo sticks.
They grin from the back pages of the school yearbook. Kids in glasses and baseball caps. "Trench Coat Mafia ... Who says we're different? Insanity's healthy" read the caption next to their photo.
But on Harris' Internet profile were the words: "Quit whining, it's just a flesh wound. Kill 'Em AAALLL."
Junior Pauline Colby, who was a group member until last year, said her former friends had started to scare her.
"I knew they were capable of violence, but I just didn't know they would do it," she said. "They were just very angry, but they didn't know how to release their anger. They were angry about people not accepting them and no one knowing how smart they were."
Derek Oulton, a senior at Columbine, remembered hearing group members talk about plans for violence. "I heard Eric Harris talk about bombs. There was a bomb threat last year," he said. "They just have a hatred for everyone."
Good said he heard a lot of noise coming from the Harris garage over the weekend. "It sounded like power tools and breaking glass," Good said.
Both youths had two parents at home, and came from families neighbors described as very fine people.
Senior Alisa Owen called the group weird people with a sick sense of humor. "They were joking around saying,'We are going to shoot you,"' she said.
No one took them seriously, said both Owen and Greg Barnes, a Columbine basketball player.
"That was a mistake," Barnes said.
"They would just sit in the back of the room," he said. "They didn't get involved. They wrote poetry, but their poems were weird.
"They seem to have their own way of doing things. People made fun of them and when I heard someone say they wanted revenge, I said, 'That makes sense.' I just stayed away from them."
Their friends say the Trench Coat Mafia was born about three years ago. No special thought went into the name, said Thaddeus Boles, a member of the group.
"We all just started wearing them to keep warm," he said. "We all pretty much got them. It was something we liked."
The group considered themselves "outside the norm," said Mark Heckler, father of group member Zach Heckler. His son, he said, was upset.
"We know these kids," Mark Heckler said. Nothing, he said, indicated that Harris or Klebold were about to explode.
Boles called Harris and Klebold two of his best friends. He said he saw them both Saturday night at the school's elaborate "New York, New York" after-prom party.
"They were both in pretty good spirits, going with the flow," he said.
They didn't seem depressed, he said.
"All of us pretty much got along with everybody," he said.
And they were very smart, said choir teacher Lee Andres, who remembers the 6'4", blond Klebold the best. Klebold, who always wore a black baseball cap backwards, ran the sound for one of last year's school musicals.
"They were extremely bright, but not good students," Andres said. "I know that two of them flunked out of school just this year, and not for the lack of brains. They disliked authority. They did not like to be told what to do."
Dominic Duran shared a creative writing class with Harris.
Last Friday, Harris wrote one of the best stories in the class and read it aloud. "It was about how his brother and him would always play war," Duran said.
"It sounded like it was taking place in the forest. They were talking about hiding under logs and shooting at the enemy."
April 21, 1999
Who flunked out that year? Perry and who! Wasn't it Perry?

I posted this in the archives under Greg Batnes....but I thought it might go better here.
Truth is there.....fluttering in the wind like a butterfly hovering over the flower......
We just need to find the right flower!
Donna
Just my 2 Cents,
Mama4paws (Donna)
Always remember!

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11:36 AM - Jul 14, 2013 #9

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/nat ... oices.html
Q. What about the Nazi stuff?

MEG (HAINS): That is the biggest load of [expletive] I've ever heard. They never wore swastikas around their arm. Never. Not in this entire year that I've known them. No.

DEVON (ADAMS): They're not Nazis. They didn't worship Nazis. Some kid said, "Oh I saw them reading a book on Nazis." They read books on Nazis because, guess what they were learning about in World History? They were learning about the Nazis.

DUSTIN (THURMAN): Everyone said that they saluted to Hitler after a strike in bowling and stuff. That wasn't true. If they got a strike, they would just sit down.
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1:12 AM - May 16, 2014 #10

When I was in High school, I was shy but always very nice and a HUGE pushover, I was like the George Mcfly of high school but I wasn't a nerd and I did't get picked on alot, I didn't have many friends and I was always alone, nobody ever talked to me.. I was a tall, overweight kid so I got picked on from time to time but not alot.. and no girls would ever look at me or even in my direction. even asked me to any dance an never asked me to join in on any activities, hat I am trying to say here is that I had a much more of a worse life in school thn D & E did, they had dates, lots of friends, I have never in my life have had a "real" friendthat actually cared about me, even to this day and you don't see me being hateful to anyone or wanting to do anything bad or harmful. D & E were lucky kids,.. they had a good family, nice house, a bright future ahead.
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