1843 Die marriages

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1843 Die marriages

rayt
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December 21st, 2017, 10:18 am #1

I have been collecting 1843 die marriages using Bill's reference book. I have 30 of the 37 varieties. of the missing ones, 2 of them are rated R3 and one is R5.
They are WB-5 (R3), WB-6 (R5) and WB-35 (R3). I wonder if anyone else is looking for these marriages, and if they encounter similar results as I do.
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Joined: December 28th, 2005, 10:13 am

January 25th, 2018, 1:13 pm #2

I collect the 1843 halves by die marriage.  I have 31 of the 37 possible known die marriages.  At the time the newest book was published 2 of those possible 37 die marriages were unknown, but believed to exist based on the previous work of M.L. Beistle.  Shortly after the book was published I found one of those two missing die marriages, I am still looking for the other one and several of the other die marriages.  I would be interested to learn more about which die marriages you have found difficult to find as I would agree some seem much harder than their R rating would suggest.  I do happen to have the WB-5 and WB-6 and a WB-35.   I agree that 5 and 6 are difficult, especially the 6 and VLDS of the 5, but it seems that I have have encountered several of the W-35s. 
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January 25th, 2018, 2:00 pm #3

I actually have 2 of the WB 9 and WB 22, which are both R4's, and 2 of the WB 24 which is an R6. I only have one of the WB 19 and 20, both in low grades. I would love to see a picture of your discovery coin (WB 7 or 16?). I just have not had any luck with the WB 35. I may have found one, but it is lower grade and the diagnostics inconclusive. I did see a WB 5 last year on ebay, but i lost out. I am getting a new camera delivered tomorrow, and i could post some pictures. Maybe we could work out some trades? Attached is my nice WB 24
wb 24 rev.jpg
wb 24 obv.jpg
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January 31st, 2018, 5:53 pm #4

here are some of the die marriages i found
1843 WB 2 Rev.jpg
1843 WB 2 Obv.jpg
1843 WB 24 Rev.jpg
1843 WB 24 Obv.jpg
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January 31st, 2018, 5:54 pm #5

WB 24 and WB 2
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February 12th, 2018, 6:00 pm #6

The WB-24 is a very difficult die marriage.  Does your first example have the die crack over to the IC in AMERICA?  I don't know if an early die state of that die marriage without that crack is known.  Those are some nice examples.   
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February 13th, 2018, 11:27 am #7

Here is my WB 24 duplicate. the crack at IC is very very faint
1843 WB 24 Dup3.jpg
1843 WB 24 Dup2.jpg
1843 WB 24 Dup1.jpg
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February 13th, 2018, 11:29 am #8

here is a close up
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February 14th, 2018, 3:17 pm #9

Very nice, I noticed that crack on your duplicate in your original photo as it was very clear.  I was curious if your first coin exhibited the crack as well?  As I said, I don't know if that die marriage without that crack has been seen.  I would totally suspect that a die state or stage would exist without the crack but it was unknown to me at this time.    
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March 8th, 2018, 9:20 am #10

I thought I had more but when I checked my coins I only have two, WB 33 and WB 36. Sorry I can't help you out here. Are you guys collecting any other year(s) or just the 1843? I do have duplicates for other years as I am trying to get a set of all years, MM and major varieties for the series (104 of the 126 so far). I use Bill's books all the time and I cannot wait for the last few volumes to come out.
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