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June 13th, 2018, 9:48 pm #361

Yeah, sorry man. I laid out this pretty obvious point pretty darn clearly. If you can't comprehend it still there is not much I can do for you. Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't get much more clear. If you don't understand then I am just wasting my time trying to explain it. I wish your team the utmost success this year and happiness to you and yours. One final thought on those small, successful Ohio programs. I am sure there are some 8u baseball teams in the state that can beat some 14u teams. Does that mean all 8u teams should play 14u teams? Because why Not? If they don't win, they just aren't good enough. They should be better, in your line of thinking. Good luck to you all. Yooper, keep fighting the good fight if you want. I don't think they want to know the truth for whatever reason. They never responded logically to all the logical and statistical information provided. This isn't a discussion that will be fruitful. I suggest walking away. And GO Hematites!!
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June 13th, 2018, 9:54 pm #362

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And how is the playing field not level? You didn’t answer his question. If it was your team in the exact same situation should you have to forfeit?


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As stated public schools take in all students private can pick and choose. Do you think it's at all odd that the MHSAA asked DCD to give those championships back??? They must of had a reason they seem to keep a low profile on matters like this. I don't know the exact situation but I do know my school wouldn't have the money to fight the MHSAA and if there was a shred of evidence that we did something wrong yes I think we would forfeit those championships.      

So what if private schools can pick and choose??? CD didn't fight the MHSAA. The MHSAA said they should give them back because Webber accepted money while he was in HS. But none of it came from CD or else the MHSAA wouldn't have asked CD to give the titles back, they could have ripped them from CD and the school wouldn't have had any say. But CD broke no rules, and had nothing to do with any of it. Again, if I payed your QB and nobody from your school knew about it then you did nothing wrong. Should you forfeit games he plays in? It's a very simple question and you keep dancing around it. 
If you paid My QB to play football yes all the games he played in should be forfeited, Because if you are paid to play that makes you a professional. From Wikipedia   Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance. I think that was what the MHSAA thought was going on and they may be right.
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June 13th, 2018, 9:58 pm #363

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oracle19 wrote: Once again, until public schools are not required to take every student that lives in their district, which will never happen, private schools have an enrollment advantage and should use a multiplier.  It is just simple truth.  If people are looking for a fair and level playing field, that is what must be done.  If people don't care about a level playing field, and they just care about protecting the private school success; or if you are Jett and just want everyone to compete with each other regardless of how even it is, then you are probably going to be fine with the current system.  There is really only one true and clear FACT about this argument.  In this current system, private schools have an undeniable advantage.  I just think it is silly when people try to argue there is no advantage.  If I were in their shoes I would probably say, Yeah, there is an advantage and I am going to enjoy that advantage and hope they don't do anything to take it away.  Denying an advantage exists Just either shows you don't pay attention or maybe you just don't want to know.
how is the part in bold an advantage? That makes absolutely no sense. 

Honestly now because of all the whining and complaints I've read on here, unless it's my school, or a Huron league school, I'm now rooting for all private schools to kick serious a--. Because this is the absolute wrong way to approach this and the public schools who think this way deserve the a-- kicking! 
Ok in words that you may understand a small private school has 44 boys come in looking to go to school all these boys have disabilities of some sort how many does this school accept?? The next day that same school 44 more boys come in strong athletic boys again how many does the school accept?? Now these same 88 boys half with disabilities the other half strong athletes go down to the public school and how many are accepted?? That's as basic as I can make it.     
I'm not sure how many would be accepted in any of those cases. Kids with disabilities attend private schools too. It would probably depend on the disability and the school, certain private schools are set up to teach those kinds of students. Certain ones might not be. Maybe they all are. I don't know. But it doesn't matter. Schools like Marion local, Coldwater and Kirtland in Ohio take everyone in their district and have no problem. That's as basic as I can make it. Nothing is stopping anyone from being as good as them, or having as big of rosters as they have. It goes back to how much your community cares about football. If they care you will be fine, if not, then it will be tougher. But in no way is it unfair. 
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June 13th, 2018, 10:01 pm #364

YOOPERNIB wrote:
Jet44 wrote:
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As stated public schools take in all students private can pick and choose. Do you think it's at all odd that the MHSAA asked DCD to give those championships back??? They must of had a reason they seem to keep a low profile on matters like this. I don't know the exact situation but I do know my school wouldn't have the money to fight the MHSAA and if there was a shred of evidence that we did something wrong yes I think we would forfeit those championships.      

So what if private schools can pick and choose??? CD didn't fight the MHSAA. The MHSAA said they should give them back because Webber accepted money while he was in HS. But none of it came from CD or else the MHSAA wouldn't have asked CD to give the titles back, they could have ripped them from CD and the school wouldn't have had any say. But CD broke no rules, and had nothing to do with any of it. Again, if I payed your QB and nobody from your school knew about it then you did nothing wrong. Should you forfeit games he plays in? It's a very simple question and you keep dancing around it. 
If you paid My QB to play football yes all the games he played in should be forfeited, Because if you are paid to play that makes you a professional. From Wikipedia   Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance. I think that was what the MHSAA thought was going on and they may be right.

But I'm not paying him for his performance. I'm paying him because I want to be his friend. 
This is why I think the MHSAA couldn't force CD to forfeit any games, they could only ask. CD didn't break any rules. 
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June 13th, 2018, 10:24 pm #365

oracle19 wrote: Yeah, sorry man.  I laid out this pretty obvious point pretty darn clearly.  If you can't comprehend it still there is not much I can do for you.  Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't get much more clear.  If you don't understand then I am just wasting my time trying to explain it.  I wish your team the utmost success this year and happiness to you and yours.  One final thought on those small, successful Ohio programs.  I am sure there are some 8u baseball teams in the state that can beat some 14u teams.  Does that mean all 8u teams should play 14u teams?  Because why Not?  If they don't win, they just aren't good enough.  They should be better, in your line of thinking.  Good luck to you all.  Yooper, keep fighting the good fight if you want.  I don't think they want to know the truth for whatever reason.  They never responded logically to all the logical and statistical information provided.  This isn't a discussion that will be fruitful.  I suggest walking away.  And GO Hematites!!
Oracle19 are you from the UP?? Because sometimes I think only people from the UP see this issue the way we see it. And I know we(the UP) are even a smaller percentage than the 14% of schools that are private. But I think you are right and I know you will fight the good fight. But it's come to name calling so maybe its time to pack it in.  
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June 13th, 2018, 10:28 pm #366

Jet44 wrote:
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So what if private schools can pick and choose??? CD didn't fight the MHSAA. The MHSAA said they should give them back because Webber accepted money while he was in HS. But none of it came from CD or else the MHSAA wouldn't have asked CD to give the titles back, they could have ripped them from CD and the school wouldn't have had any say. But CD broke no rules, and had nothing to do with any of it. Again, if I payed your QB and nobody from your school knew about it then you did nothing wrong. Should you forfeit games he plays in? It's a very simple question and you keep dancing around it. 
If you paid My QB to play football yes all the games he played in should be forfeited, Because if you are paid to play that makes you a professional. From Wikipedia   Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance. I think that was what the MHSAA thought was going on and they may be right.

But I'm not paying him for his performance. I'm paying him because I want to be his friend. 
This is why I think the MHSAA couldn't force CD to forfeit any games, they could only ask. CD didn't break any rules. 
And in the world we live in if you keep saying something over and over people start to believe it's true. Good luck!!!!   
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June 13th, 2018, 11:13 pm #367

YOOPERNIB wrote:
oracle19 wrote: Yeah, sorry man.  I laid out this pretty obvious point pretty darn clearly.  If you can't comprehend it still there is not much I can do for you.  Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't get much more clear.  If you don't understand then I am just wasting my time trying to explain it.  I wish your team the utmost success this year and happiness to you and yours.  One final thought on those small, successful Ohio programs.  I am sure there are some 8u baseball teams in the state that can beat some 14u teams.  Does that mean all 8u teams should play 14u teams?  Because why Not?  If they don't win, they just aren't good enough.  They should be better, in your line of thinking.  Good luck to you all.  Yooper, keep fighting the good fight if you want.  I don't think they want to know the truth for whatever reason.  They never responded logically to all the logical and statistical information provided.  This isn't a discussion that will be fruitful.  I suggest walking away.  And GO Hematites!!
Oracle19 are you from the UP?? Because sometimes I think only people from the UP see this issue the way we see it. And I know we(the UP) are even a smaller percentage than the 14% of schools that are private. But I think you are right and I know you will fight the good fight. But it's come to name calling so maybe its time to pack it in.  
I'm not from the UP. I am actually from southern Michigan. I just have been around high school football and both private and public school systems for close to four decades. It is obvious some people don't know what goes on inside a school. Luckily there are more people in positions of power now that agree with us than there are that agree with them. From what I hear the main thing holding up the multiplier for now is money.
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June 13th, 2018, 11:50 pm #368

YOOPERNIB wrote:
Jet44 wrote:
YOOPERNIB wrote:
If you paid My QB to play football yes all the games he played in should be forfeited, Because if you are paid to play that makes you a professional. From Wikipedia   Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance. I think that was what the MHSAA thought was going on and they may be right.

But I'm not paying him for his performance. I'm paying him because I want to be his friend. 
This is why I think the MHSAA couldn't force CD to forfeit any games, they could only ask. CD didn't break any rules. 
And in the world we live in if you keep saying something over and over people start to believe it's true. Good luck!!!!   
It all goes back to proof, and what happened. If you think Webber was paid to be at CD then you're a conspiracy theorist at best, and at worst a moron. 
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June 13th, 2018, 11:52 pm #369

oracle19 wrote:
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oracle19 wrote: Yeah, sorry man.  I laid out this pretty obvious point pretty darn clearly.  If you can't comprehend it still there is not much I can do for you.  Not trying to be rude, but it doesn't get much more clear.  If you don't understand then I am just wasting my time trying to explain it.  I wish your team the utmost success this year and happiness to you and yours.  One final thought on those small, successful Ohio programs.  I am sure there are some 8u baseball teams in the state that can beat some 14u teams.  Does that mean all 8u teams should play 14u teams?  Because why Not?  If they don't win, they just aren't good enough.  They should be better, in your line of thinking.  Good luck to you all.  Yooper, keep fighting the good fight if you want.  I don't think they want to know the truth for whatever reason.  They never responded logically to all the logical and statistical information provided.  This isn't a discussion that will be fruitful.  I suggest walking away.  And GO Hematites!!
Oracle19 are you from the UP?? Because sometimes I think only people from the UP see this issue the way we see it. And I know we(the UP) are even a smaller percentage than the 14% of schools that are private. But I think you are right and I know you will fight the good fight. But it's come to name calling so maybe its time to pack it in.  
I'm not from the UP.  I am actually from southern Michigan.  I just have been around high school football and both private and public school systems for close to four decades.  It is obvious some people don't know what goes on inside a school.  Luckily there are more people in positions of power now that agree with us than there are that agree with them.  From what I hear the main thing holding up the multiplier for now is money.

And you're ruining the sport. 
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June 14th, 2018, 12:25 am #370

if and when you get all your multipliers and fairness BS implemented and the private schools still win ( because none of this BS actually matters) you're still going to cry that it's unfair. Nothing that you do can change the fact that good teams are good and crap teams are crap. And trying to change the system so that crap teams can win doesn't change the fact that they are crap. 
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