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wizinator
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April 13th, 2018, 7:18 pm #171

Furthermore...

If you are working and get a raise every year for 3 years for your hard work, it should be harder for you to get a raise in that 4th year.

We need to teach our kids that life is fair and if you complain enough, you get what you want.

I want mandatory Orange Slices and Juice Boxes just for showing up to work.
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YOOPERNIB
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April 13th, 2018, 9:42 pm #172

wizinator wrote: Furthermore...

If you are working and get a raise every year for 3 years for your hard work, it should be harder for you to get a raise in that 4th year.

We need to teach our kids that life is fair and if you complain enough, you get what you want.

I want mandatory Orange Slices and Juice Boxes just for showing up to work.
Translate please???
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June 10th, 2018, 10:20 am #173

BIGREDS89 wrote:
Eagle2 wrote:
BIGREDS89 wrote:

What’s the advantage?
I agree with BIGREDS89
 
And not just what's the advantage but what's the unfair advantage ?  Better coaches can be an advantage but is it unfair ?

chadphillips56 argument is that just because some private schools win more then there has to be an advantage that needs to be punished.  Ithaca and PW win more so do they need to be punished with a 1.5 x multiplier ?  

Explain to me why there are many private schools that don't win.  They are private too so they are also advantaged but historically many private schools have not been successfull in football.  Your argument ignores many factors that go into winning - coaching, talent, numbers, hard work, attitude, commitment, etc.  Those factors differ from school to school and often year to year.
What’s the advantage?

One simple sentence.
3 little words.
Guranteed there will not be a straight answer.

This one is easy.  The advantage is public schools are legally required to take every kid that lives in their district if they choose to go there.  The kids that are cognitively impaired, special ed, have behavior issues, etc. are not typically the kids that will leave for school of choice.  Private schools obviously do not have to take many of the kids that struggle for whatever reason.  I know that there are many kids in our school that we would not take if we had the choice.  Therefore, it effects enrollment which would be solved by adding a multiplier.  There are multiple examples of teams that potentially could have won a state title if going against equitable competition.  So there, my friend, is your advantage.  
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June 11th, 2018, 2:18 pm #174

The truth is that on both sides it depends on the school and what their priorities are? School of choice in a public school can be a HUGE advantage. PW and Ithaca benefit a ton from school of choice and they love it when athletes choose to come. Other schools are much more selective because they put an emphasis on test scores and academic ranking over athletic success.  Some private schools take in the lower tier students who need academic accommodations because they have found that it leads to higher enrollment and thus more tuition dollars. There are also private schools who have endowments or financial aid set aside just for those star athletes, many from the inner city who excel and win them titles. This is very common among GRC and the two catholic schools in Grand Rapids. It is what it is and in the end what a school chooses to be is what drives them the most. Why are the academy schools not power houses in sports? They get the inner city kids but most do not put any emphasis on athletics and most do not even have football  (west Mi Aviation) (GR Prep) (Well Spring) if they chose to do it they could have a BIG advantage in athletics because there is NO tuition and school of choice allows to choose what school you go to. In the end I suppose each side will point at the other but  it really depends on each individual school  and what they want.
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June 12th, 2018, 10:48 am #175

You are WRONG! I have no idea on Ithaca but as a CMAC Fan I can tell you 100% that PW does not benefit from schools of choice. I have followed them through the years and I have never seen a transfer come into that program and play a role for them. I would be shocked if they have had more than 5 kids transfer in and play football past 9th grade in the last 15 years. 
Again, I have no idea on Ithaca, you may have some type of point there, but your take on PW is so off base it leads me to believe you don't know what you are talking about with the rest of your post. 
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June 12th, 2018, 1:15 pm #176

When it comes to PW, one of the reasons that they are so dominant is that they can channel so many players towards football because the only high school fall sports that they offer for boys are football and cross country.  There are no soccer or tennis teams for PW.  Add to that a good coaching staff and system and you have the makings of a dynasty.   
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June 12th, 2018, 2:51 pm #177

Coach Miller's words not mine. "we have kids choose to come to our school via school of choice because of the success we have had in football."
My understanding is that many of those kids come in 9th grade and that is not a bad thing. The point is the football program benefits the school and gets more students interested in coming into their district. The transfer thing is all a whole different story and the mandatory 12 months out will eliminate much of that issue but I do not believe it ever has been the case at Ithaca or PW. 
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June 12th, 2018, 3:40 pm #178

I doubt the 12 months of sitting is going to effect those schools who are getting mass transfers now. The 15 exceptions are still in effect and there is no one there to police it.
They need to just get rid of the tough restrictions like in Texas and California.
Because they cant police it correctly or only pick and choose what schools to discipline, i.e. Clarkston becuase of Dakota.
While Dakota lost several starters to De La Salle for football and two basketball players to Cardinal Mooney and nothing said to the MHSAA.

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June 12th, 2018, 4:01 pm #179

LOL and where did you get that quote? Care to share?
I read it to two guys I work with that have kids in the program at P-W and they laughed and called BS. I don't even like P-W because they throttle us every year (in everything, not just football) but your claim is ridiculous.
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June 12th, 2018, 5:27 pm #180

OK, you know it all so I guess I am wrong. Have a great day.
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