Two swings

Two swings

Joined: October 11th, 2001, 7:22 pm

September 5th, 2011, 3:00 am #1

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
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Joined: December 2nd, 2002, 7:44 pm

September 5th, 2011, 3:11 am #2

I will say the second one .
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Joined: June 13th, 2005, 8:24 pm

September 5th, 2011, 4:35 am #3

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
Just looks like one can fade with cupped left wrist at top and the other for neutral to draw with a flat firm left wrist at top.
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Joined: January 13th, 2001, 8:30 am

September 5th, 2011, 6:24 am #4

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
I don't know impact looks the same to me. Top of swing are very different. I would probably like number two for an iron shot as it might be more consistent.



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Joined: April 22nd, 2004, 9:58 pm

September 5th, 2011, 1:14 pm #5

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
Ball flight looks good on both.
I like the first one because you look more golferly,
more relaxed, and the club stays more in front of your
body coming down. The first swing might cross the line
just a tad (like Freddie). The second swing has your
trail forearm perfectly vertical at TOS which is what
the gurus say is desired. I like the first swing but
then good golf takes more than aesthetics.
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Joined: October 11th, 2001, 7:22 pm

September 5th, 2011, 4:38 pm #6

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
The changes made and are making are primarily in set up, but also in some swing mechanics. They are significant because they fly in the face of some of my long held "concepts ( beliefs?)", and more importantly, because they work.

What happened, was a bout a week before my club championship qualifier, I tweaked my back. Actually, it was more than a tweak.I was hitting some balls and then out of nowhere as I finished my swing BAM. In a place I have never felt pain before before - right below my right shoulder blade/scapula/rhomboids. I felt it as I came around into my finish, and then no more, but every time I would swing I got pain - I'm talking tears in my eyes pain. Just standing there I was fine, but make a swing no way.

With only a few day before the tournament, I was looking at having to withdraw if I couldn't find a way to swing without pain. So with fingers crossed, I spent lots of time searching for (and finding) some trigger points in my back. I rolled them all out, and made some practice swings in my backyard with no pain. But now it was "in my head" that at any time the pain could come back, so believe it or not, I began searching for a method or way of swinging that would reduce my chances of recreating the trigger points.

I tried NG/Graves, Peak Performance, turning less, etc. Predictably, none of them "worked". Then I stumbled upon this teacher's You tube channel some how, and what she said made a lot of sense, plus she claimed less stress on the body. Her concept of spine tilt away from the ball jived with Bertholy's slantidicular ideas, and her suggestions of set-up change and minimizing the rotation and different planes of motion made it seem like something I could adopt without huge changes to my swing.

So I tried it first with some wedges, then short irons, then long clubs and happily I was able to go at it with no pain, no loss of distance, and more accurate shots. It has taken about a month for it to settle in, but I really like the results this is giving me. Here's the differences:

1. Set spine tilt at address, and close shoulders to target line. Ball in center of stance. Keep this set throughout the back swing ( harder than it sounds ) Notice in the after, how much lower and INSIDE my trail forearm is, and how you can see more of my lead forearm compared to the before:



And it is easier to see from face on:



I like this, Bertholy suggests swiveling the head back to start, and that you should be slantidicular at TOS, why not just set it all up from the beginning?

2. On takeaway, you DON'T SET YOUR WRISTS OR DO ANYTHING ACTIVE WITH THEM. You turn keeping the arms straight, and turn back until your hands are over your right heel, VERY different from I have done for years. This is way "inside". Note the red rod angled away from my stance rod. This is placed under my hands as a "reminder" of the path my hands should be making:



3. Once the hands are over the the right heel, you simply let the lead arm "climb up" the chest ( lil IMAish there ) until they are about shoulder high. Again not SETTING OF THE WRISTS OR any TRAIL ARM CURL. I still am wanting to make a "big" back swing, so mine are still a tad too high. Her thought on this is that the heavier the club, the more effect gravity has on the the drop of the club, so you don't need as big a back swing. Woods are lighter so take them back higher. Notice that in the before you can see the top of my shoulder under the bottom edge of my lead forearm and in the after the top of my shoulder is almost in line with the top edge of my lead forearm:



4. On the downswing, just swing back along the same line as take away ( red rod ) KEEPING FEET FLAT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. ou can see my heel already starting to come up in the before, and it barely comes up even at impact in the after:



5. Not near as much "slide" - she says you want more body mass at the ball:




And of course this is really what matters isn't it? Much better in all regards:



So is this my "old man" swing. I dunno, but with just making a few basic changes I am getting some nice results. Definitely check out Kiran's teachings and videos ( I know one of us here already has )....very intriguing to say the least.This video is a good summary of her approach working with a intermediate golfer. And here is one working with a tour pro She's got at least one well known PGA instructor in her camp. Dr. Jim Suttie says it is a great approach.

Oh yeah, no loss of distance at all. Suffice to say this has shook my world upside down just a little!

Kevin


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Joined: December 2nd, 2002, 7:44 pm

September 6th, 2011, 3:00 am #7

Very interesting I watched her videos. I will try it on the range. I am a little unsure of it and how it all works. Down swing ? etc.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2005, 12:18 pm

September 6th, 2011, 5:31 am #8

Vote on which one you "like" and which one you think works better. One definitely works way better, and there's a story behind it.

Do you like this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNYXl8rVFg

Or this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnpNDuSbEAo

Which one works better? BTW it is no contest, not even close.

Kevin

Never quit til you have a swing you'll never forget!
In the first swing your club is well off plane (above ideal) at the Transition, while in the second swing you are near perfect. Your mechanics are very decent in both swings, so if you had hit your spot at the top with your first swing you would have been fine and not needed a correction in the downswing.

Tom
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Joined: October 11th, 2001, 7:22 pm

September 6th, 2011, 10:21 am #9

Very interesting I watched her videos. I will try it on the range. I am a little unsure of it and how it all works. Down swing ? etc.
swing out to right filed as she says. It helps me to think of what my lead arm and hands are doing as opposed to the clubs path. Just make your hands go back out to where they were at address

I look back to a spot behind my right foot to set my position. The turn til my hands are over my heel, then lift my hands til they are shoulder high. Then start back down. it's a very simple motion - almost Steve Sticker like. The key is the set up.

Two things to attend to: If you get to fast and hurry your backswing, you hit some gifg hooks. If you dont set the twist and tilt AND KEEP IT THERE, you will push the ball.

Let us know what you found out.

kevin

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Joined: October 11th, 2001, 7:22 pm

September 6th, 2011, 10:30 am #10

Ball flight looks good on both.
I like the first one because you look more golferly,
more relaxed, and the club stays more in front of your
body coming down. The first swing might cross the line
just a tad (like Freddie). The second swing has your
trail forearm perfectly vertical at TOS which is what
the gurus say is desired. I like the first swing but
then good golf takes more than aesthetics.
The second one is like automatic, and accurate, especially for how little time I have been using it. It is also way easier on my body. My lead knee doesn't take quite the pounding, and there is no soreness in my back, legs or arms after a long session.

But the accuracy is uncanny for me. Normally I am a bit of a "military golfer" - left right left right....but with this se-upt hitting birdie balls with a 5 iron, I walk out to pick em up and all but a couple are in a nice 4 foot circle right around the flag. Scoring is getting better too...40,37,41 last three rounds.

Kevin

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