What is your take on the New Pauline Perspective?

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What is your take on the New Pauline Perspective?

DrWhofan1
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November 1st, 2015, 12:47 pm #1

As advocated by NT Wright and others?

Seems to deny the historical views regarding Sotieriology, especially as from the reformed perspective, but am I seeing this wrong?
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November 1st, 2015, 10:06 pm #2

DrWhofan1:23345 wrote:As advocated by NT Wright and others?

Seems to deny the historical views regarding Sotieriology, especially as from the reformed perspective, but am I seeing this wrong?
I read a critique a few years ago - have you an up-to-date link?
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November 2nd, 2015, 4:50 am #3

Since the NPP is clearly listed as a topic for this specific forum (Apostasies, Cults, Heresies, Heterodoxies) you can be safe in assuming it deserves its placement herein. ;) It is a view rejected by most of the NAPARC churches.

See:
http://rscottclark.org/category/fvnpp/ (page may take a while to load given its length)
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/res ... 1340646243

Warning to keep in mind:
http://rti.myfineforum.org/sutra14789.php#14789
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November 2nd, 2015, 4:40 pm #4

I am not saying that NT Wright is correct on his assumptions, as find it difficult to believe that all of the reformed misviewed Paul, and Wright finally got it right!
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November 3rd, 2015, 6:34 pm #5

I need a shower after reading some of the FV theology.  It's subtle, but it isn't good.  Some of it even resembles MAD in some respects.
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November 3rd, 2015, 11:07 pm #6

Whether or not their conclusions are right, they have highlighted important elements to note in rabbinic thinking during the NT era. F.F. Bruce, in his book NT History, emphasized more recent developments in our understanding of the Jewish people at that time. While I can't agree with a lot of what Wright has argued for, I see pretty reasonable grounds for the idea that there was a prominent belief in unconditional corporate election amongst NT Jews.
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November 8th, 2015, 3:51 pm #7

I have fought against the NP since 1982, at that time the teachings of Sanders, Dunn, and Stendahl led many of my former pastoral associates (non-Reformed) into apostasy rejecting the New Testament gospel, these had previously been committed to Bible truth.  Many of them are atheists or Neo-orthodox skeptics today.  A few years later the New Perspective entered the Reformed community via Wright and I started opposing the teaching of pastors who were promoting it in that venue.  At that time those who loved the doctrine were promoting "Law and Gospel: Contrast or Continuum" by Daniel Fuller.  Today the NP is legion and accepted widely.

If the NP of Wright is true we have no gospel left in my view, however, I can't stop the advance of history when men fall in love with a renegade belief system.

There are many internet resources detailing the theology and history of this movement and how it contrasts with the Reformation teaching on the gospel.

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October 13th, 2017, 5:49 am #8

Just check von Harnack's "The Origin of the New Testament", you will know where NPP get its ideas from. :P
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