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7:49 PM - Jan 12, 2017 #11

Dwf1 have a listen to John MacArthur's sermon regarding the ending of Mark's gospel. This was the finishing touch or last sermon to his 43 plus years of preaching through the New Testament one verse at a time. It is aptly titled and very very enlightening.

This should be a must listen to, of every student of bible study.  Be prepared to be amazed.

The Fitting End to Mark's Gospel
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8:07 AM - Jan 13, 2017 #12

Gord:25853 wrote:Dwf1 have a listen to John MacArthur's sermon regarding the ending of Mark's gospel. This was the finishing touch or last sermon to his 43 plus years of preaching through the New Testament one verse at a time. It is aptly titled and very very enlightening.

This should be a must listen to, of every student of bible study. Be prepared to be amazed.

The Fitting End to Mark's Gospel
Or you could read

http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html

Reading through that document regarding Mark, it seems to delete every reference to judgment.
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1:37 PM - Jan 13, 2017 #13

Hitch:25852 wrote:
joebonni:25850 wrote:I see what you are saying the ending of Mark Chapter 16 Verses 9 on Most Reformed Covenant Pastors I have heard preach this will not preach it they stop before the long ending. These same pastors will explain why they don't preach it mostly because they feel it was added later and not part of the gospel.

Doesnt that notion brings the entire NT under suspicion ?
Not really, for the maindoctrines of the Faith would not be effected, and we want to get to what theoriginal book had as conclusion....
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4:37 PM - Jan 13, 2017 #14

DrWhofan1:25855 wrote:
Hitch:25852 wrote:
joebonni:25850 wrote:I see what you are saying the ending of Mark Chapter 16 Verses 9 on Most Reformed Covenant Pastors I have heard preach this will not preach it they stop before the long ending. These same pastors will explain why they don't preach it mostly because they feel it was added later and not part of the gospel.

Doesnt that notion brings the entire NT under suspicion ?
Not really, for the maindoctrines of the Faith would not be effected, and we want to get to what theoriginal book had as conclusion....
Im not aware of the Reformed doctrine that teaches 'some Scripture' is reliable.
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3:24 PM - Jan 14, 2017 #15

Hitch:25856 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25855 wrote:
Hitch:25852 wrote:
Doesnt that notion brings the entire NT under suspicion ?
Not really, for the maindoctrines of the Faith would not be effected, and we want to get to what theoriginal book had as conclusion....
Im not aware of the Reformed doctrine that teaches 'some Scripture' is reliable.
ALL Scripture is indeed reliable, but the question is wasthe longer ending actually part of the original Scripture?
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12:54 AM - Jan 18, 2017 #16

DrWhofan1:25859 wrote:
Hitch:25856 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25855 wrote: Not really, for the maindoctrines of the Faith would not be effected, and we want to get to what theoriginal book had as conclusion....
Im not aware of the Reformed doctrine that teaches 'some Scripture' is reliable.
ALL Scripture is indeed reliable, but the question is wasthe longer ending actually part of the original Scripture?

Dr Whofan1,

First off I love your questions they really make me think and I love that.  I went back and read the end of Mark and yeah it's been many years since I have even looked at that so I looked new to me for like 5 minutes.  Anyway I see what you are saying it's a very wacky ending not really sure what the point was but when they just had the Textus Receptus to go by and some other fragments that is the normal ending.  Since that time we have found way older text and that ending was not there so that's were the problem kinda started.  I just double checked and I have the 1560 Geneva Bible, 1599 Geneva Bible and the 1611 King James Version and they all treat that as a normal ending but remember that;s all they had back then.  I have an idea if you teach or preach and use one of the older versions go ahead and use the verses 9 thru 20 and if you use the newer versions just explain what happened or preach it it's really up to you..............
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2:15 PM - Jan 18, 2017 #17

joebonni:25865 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25859 wrote:
Hitch:25856 wrote: Im not aware of the Reformed doctrine that teaches 'some Scripture' is reliable.
ALL Scripture is indeed reliable, but the question is wasthe longer ending actually part of the original Scripture?

Dr Whofan1,

First off I love your questions they really make me think and I love that. I went back and read the end of Mark and yeah it's been many years since I have even looked at that so I looked new to me for like 5 minutes. Anyway I see what you are saying it's a very wacky ending not really sure what the point was but when they just had the Textus Receptus to go by and some other fragments that is the normal ending. Since that time we have found way older text and that ending was not there so that's were the problem kinda started. I just double checked and I have the 1560 Geneva Bible, 1599 Geneva Bible and the 1611 King James Version and they all treat that as a normal ending but remember that;s all they had back then. I have an idea if you teach or preach and use one of the older versions go ahead and use the verses 9 thru 20 and if you use the newer versions just explain what happened or preach it it's really up to you..............
That is correct, as the Kjv and Nkjv would be based off the TR geek text, and so would have that longer ending as the normal one, but those such as Nas/Niv/Esv, who used the Critical Greek text, would have notes saying longer ending not supported by best manuscripts.

My concern would be that I came out from Charasmatic circles, and they use that long endingto support some of their bad theology!
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4:27 PM - Sep 25, 2018 #18

Reformed Baptist,
re:  "What do you see taught in the ending of Mark's gospel that is not found elsewhere in Scripture?"


Verse 16:9 (as it is translated in the KJV and similar versions) is the only Scripture that places the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.
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7:36 AM - Sep 26, 2018 #19

rstrats wrote: Reformed Baptist,
re:  "What do you see taught in the ending of Mark's gospel that is not found elsewhere in Scripture?"


Verse 16:9 (as it is translated in the KJV and similar versions) is the only Scripture that places the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.
Your assertion that this isn't taught elsewhere in Scripture though is based on your own personal hypothesis about the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and involves a certain degree of circular reasoning - however, if you take into account that Jesus said he would rise on the third day, and if you consider how he counts days (Luke 13:32), and you recognize that the bible clearly tells us that Jesus died on the preperation day (ie Friday), and you remember that Luke is also clear that the first day of the week is, 'the third day' you find that a Sunday resurrection is clearly taught in many places in the text of Scripture.  
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2:19 PM - Sep 26, 2018 #20

rstrats wrote: Reformed Baptist,
re:  "What do you see taught in the ending of Mark's gospel that is not found elsewhere in Scripture?"


Verse 16:9 (as it is translated in the KJV and similar versions) is the only Scripture that places the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.
The passage about snales. tongues, healings, poisons to em all seem to be someone looking back at say the life of paul and editing the ending in there in order to have it end smoother.
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