Indwelling versus Infilling of the Holy Spirit

In their walk of faith, the elect will not fall away from eternal salvation but will ultimately persevere.
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04 Feb 2017, 21:38 #11

Ask Mr. Religion:25904 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25902 wrote: Is this tied into then renewing our minds with Scripture. and presenting our bodies to God as Paul commanded us to do
Yes.

And 2 Cor. 10:5, as well as all the warning verses in Scripture, as they serve as a means by which God stirs up the faithful.
So you would see paul addressing individuals as being one to get renewed, continually refilled in/with the Spirit, and not used in a corporate assembly of the church  then?
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04 Feb 2017, 21:47 #12

DrWhofan1:25909 wrote:
Ask Mr. Religion:25904 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25902 wrote: Is this tied into then renewing our minds with Scripture. and presenting our bodies to God as Paul commanded us to do
Yes.

And , as well as all the warning verses in Scripture, as they serve as a means by which God stirs up the faithful.
So you would see paul addressing individuals as being one to get renewed, continually refilled in/with the Spirit, and not used in a corporate assembly of the church then?
Believing individuals are the audience. There is no refilling as if we are running low on the indwelling Spirit. Better to think of being filled to mean the disposition of setting aside your own thoughts to make room for God's thoughts.

When we speak about the means of grace, we are not talking about a container or method that holds or dispenses grace as if it were found in a cookie tin, or accessible through a wall-outlet.

In the Shorter Catechism answer 88 we read:
The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicateth to us the benefits of redemption, are his ordinances, especially the word, sacraments, and prayer; all which are made effectual to the elect for salvation.

We partake of the ordinary means of grace of Word, Sacrament and Prayer, this grace increasing the strength of our walk of faith, which necessarily implies corporate assembly, where Word and Sacrament are present. We feed our faith to starve our doubts and despairs. Now we may call the Word, sacraments, and prayer ordinary means, but by that we dont mean common or boring. God gave us these things for the purpose of being transmitters of His grace to us, if we by faith will appropriate and use them.

When we are looking and finding our source of spiritual nourishment in places other than Scripture, this habit bears strong correlation with avoidance of the convicting power of the law.

Or, perhaps the gospel no longer captivates our soul, so replacement is sought for it instead of returning to the wells of salvation. If the gospel was only of real importance some time ago (when we were saved?), then interest in it naturally fades. We need to remember our first love.

We must recognize that the weekly nourishment on the Word in sermons (besides daily investment), and sacrament when available, is the only way to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior; and hence in new obedience.
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07 Feb 2017, 13:38 #13

Ask Mr. Religion:25910 wrote:
DrWhofan1:25909 wrote:
Ask Mr. Religion:25904 wrote: Yes.

And , as well as all the warning verses in Scripture, as they serve as a means by which God stirs up the faithful.
So you would see paul addressing individuals as being one to get renewed, continually refilled in/with the Spirit, and not used in a corporate assembly of the church then?
Believing individuals are the audience. There is no refilling as if we are running low on the indwelling Spirit. Better to think of being filled to mean the disposition of setting aside your own thoughts to make room for God's thoughts.

When we speak about the means of grace, we are not talking about a container or method that holds or dispenses grace as if it were found in a cookie tin, or accessible through a wall-outlet.

In the Shorter Catechism answer 88 we read:
The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicateth to us the benefits of redemption, are his ordinances, especially the word, sacraments, and prayer; all which are made effectual to the elect for salvation.

We partake of the ordinary means of grace of Word, Sacrament and Prayer, this grace increasing the strength of our walk of faith, which necessarily implies corporate assembly, where Word and Sacrament are present. We feed our faith to starve our doubts and despairs. Now we may call the Word, sacraments, and prayer ordinary means, but by that we dont mean common or boring. God gave us these things for the purpose of being transmitters of His grace to us, if we by faith will appropriate and use them.

When we are looking and finding our source of spiritual nourishment in places other than Scripture, this habit bears strong correlation with avoidance of the convicting power of the law.

Or, perhaps the gospel no longer captivates our soul, so replacement is sought for it instead of returning to the wells of salvation. If the gospel was only of real importance some time ago (when we were saved?), then interest in it naturally fades. We need to remember our first love.

We must recognize that the weekly nourishment on the Word in sermons (besides daily investment), and sacrament when available, is the only way to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior; and hence in new obedience.
What is the difference then between this view on Grace pf God available to us thru the means of bible, prayer, ordances, and the sacremental Grace as Church of rome sees this?

Would it be they see this as automatically applied, while we see it applied thru/by faith alone?
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