A teleological argument from abiogenesis

Cosmological, teleological, ontological, transcendental, etc., arguments.
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09 Oct 2015, 22:35 #31

Thanks for your reply, as I was just just trying not to misunderstand your viewpoint here on this issue!
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10 Oct 2015, 11:01 #32

DrWhofan1:23149 wrote:Thanks for your reply, as I was just just trying not to misunderstand your viewpoint here on this issue!
Sorry for being touchy about it. You had me a little confused.

@AMR:

I am curious as to what you think of this portion-
Propianotuner:23115 wrote:My stance is that given a proper understanding through our analogy, the Scriptures, that God is essentially simple, all properly composed arguments for God are part of an internally consistent, composite whole. In essence they are all part of one argument.
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11 Oct 2015, 18:35 #33

Are they revealed by a special or a general revelation of God though?
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11 Oct 2015, 20:12 #34

DrWhofan1:23173 wrote:Are they revealed by a special or a general revelation of God though?
What exactly does "they" refer to in your post?
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16 Oct 2015, 22:07 #35



Choir 1 in plain italics, choir 2 in bold:

Kommt, ihr Tchter, helft mir klagen,
Come, you daughters, help me to lament,
Sehet - Wen? - den Brutigam,
See-Whom ? -the bridegroom,
Seht ihn - Wie? - als wie ein Lamm!
See him- How ? -like a lamb!
Sehet, - Was? - seht die Geduld,
See What ? -see his patience,
Seht - Wohin? - auf unsre Schuld;
See Where ? - our guilt;
Sehet ihn aus Lieb und Huld
See how from love and grace
Holz zum Kreuze selber tragen!
He bears the wood of the cross himself!


The boy choir:

O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig
O Lamb of God, innocent
Am Stamm des Kreuzes geschlachtet,
Slaughtered on the beam of the cross,
Allzeit erfunden geduldig,
Always found to be patient
Wiewohl du warest verachtet.
No matter how much you were despised.
All Snd hast du getragen,
All our sins you have borne
Sonst mten wir verzagen.
Otherwise we would have to despair.
Erbarm dich unser, o Jesu !
Have mercy on us, O Jesus
Ask Mr. Religion:23175 wrote:
DrWhofan1:23173 wrote:Are they revealed by a special or a general revelation of God though?
What exactly does "they" refer to in your post?
If I may make an educated guess, I would say that this is the "they" of which he was speaking:
Propianotuner:23115 wrote:My stance is that given a proper understanding through our analogy, the Scriptures, that God is essentially simple, all properly composed arguments for God are part of an internally consistent, composite whole. In essence they are all part of one argument.
As I return to this question and think more carefully about it, it was actually an appropriate question that I hope stimulates a meaningful answer from myself.

When I reexamine this question, I have to think about what we've been discussing so far. What is the difference between general and special revelation? I would contend that all revelation is special and personal. Nothing in relation to God can be given substance without God coming in and revealing Himself.

While Paul gives an account of generally available signs of God at the beginning of Romans, he is establishing that it didn't suffice, and the Gentile peoples showed little concern for God. Right after that he discusses the special revelation of the Law and how in reality for a lot of Jews it didn't accomplish much more. Many of them weren't true Israel either.

But is God able to use either for His purpose? I believe so, and that is why I emphasize sharing both with people. In the passage I shared from Acts, Paul wasn't appealing to special revelation at all. Obviously he had previously to that same group and he was going to continue doing just that, but at the Areopagus he didn't just use logic, he discussed metaphysical truths to bring them to a better understanding of general revelation.

What's the difference between general and special revelation? It is all part of one revelation. One part can lead to interest in the other part because God is whole, and He is simple. His immutability extends to His revelation.
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23 Oct 2015, 15:41 #36

[general revelation though lets a sinner know that there is a God, while special allows him to know that God!
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