World Cup 2018 qualifiers

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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

05 Sep 2017, 20:18 #51

Let's hope that sense prevails, and that USA is kicked out in favour of a combined Syria and North Korea select.
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SDb
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 10:10

06 Sep 2017, 08:50 #52

Australia vs USA scenario is looking more likely now. Imagine USA missing out on the World Cup. Thinking FIFA is getting nervous. A huge market being lost.
And New Zealand's scenario is getting less dire now with a possible playoff vs Peru. That might be their best hope.
CAF also having the most exciting qualifying campaign right now. Really they should be getting more berths rather than the (IMO very weak) AFC.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

06 Sep 2017, 09:13 #53

Yankee panic is relatively premature.  Their last 2 fixtures are at home to Panama and away to Trinidad.  I would expect them to finish 3rd, but certainly not 5th.  Honduras has the two hardest fixtures.

NZ's chances are dependent on winning the home leg probably by 2 goals minimum, as I don't fancy them to do anything away.

CAF - yes, I'd like to see CAF teams in the playoffs.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

06 Sep 2017, 17:43 #54

anyway, Belgium is still the only European team qualified.....
Italy, Australia, USA stugling, hope to see some of them eliminated....
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

06 Sep 2017, 19:11 #55

Italy with 4 World Cups, 1 European Championship, 1 Olympic title and 2 Central European International Cups in Pot 2. Other teams with 0 World Cups, 0 European Championships and so on in Pot 1. That's the big paradox...
Last edited by Luca on 07 Sep 2017, 18:51, edited 1 time in total.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

06 Sep 2017, 19:18 #56

that is why I am opposed to rankings.....why not use the previous result(s) in WC or EC to rank teams for the draw.....I agree the Belgian group was the weakest....we had no real opposition...so the team has to prove everything against tougher opposition
anyway the recent results of Italia against smaller teams are not convincing  
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

06 Sep 2017, 19:31 #57

We'll see. I remain confident about our qualification. But I'm less optimistic about a successful campaign in Russia...
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SDb
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 10:10

07 Sep 2017, 00:26 #58

FIFA has ordered a replay of the 2016 qualifier between South Africa and Senegal due to a ban on the Ghanaian referee Lamptey.
This must be a record of some sort - a match being replayed almost a year later!
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

07 Sep 2017, 06:34 #59

why did he referee as he was banned?
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

07 Sep 2017, 06:34 #60

and I forgot Argentina...
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

07 Sep 2017, 18:46 #61

Interestingly, the referee banned (Joseph Lamptey) is the son of George Lamptey, who was protagonist of another very controversial refereeing over the 1974 World Cup qualifiers, precisely in December 1973, during the challenge between Zaire and Morocco.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

07 Sep 2017, 19:32 #62

SDb wrote: FIFA has ordered a replay of the 2016 qualifier between South Africa and Senegal due to a ban on the Ghanaian referee Lamptey.
This must be a record of some sort - a match being replayed almost a year later!
Any idea how FIFA will treat this one as a match on its own? Downgraded to friendly, wiped off the (official) records altogether? Seems harsh to withdraw caps/goals from the players because of this.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

07 Sep 2017, 19:52 #63

mattsanger92 wrote:
SDb wrote: FIFA has ordered a replay of the 2016 qualifier between South Africa and Senegal due to a ban on the Ghanaian referee Lamptey.
This must be a record of some sort - a match being replayed almost a year later!
Any idea how FIFA will treat this one as a match on its own? Downgraded to friendly, wiped off the (official) records altogether? Seems harsh to withdraw caps/goals from the players because of this.
There was a precedent: 28/10/1987 Netherlands 8-0 Cyprus, European Championship qualifiers. UEFA annulled this match because of crowd violence and ordered a replay (09/12/1987 Netherlands 4-0 Cyprus). It is in the books as international friendly and appearances and goals are valid.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

07 Sep 2017, 20:56 #64

I'm still waiting for them to replay Cyprus vs Bulgaria from 1996.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

08 Sep 2017, 20:44 #65

SDb wrote: FIFA has ordered a replay of the 2016 qualifier between South Africa and Senegal due to a ban on the Ghanaian referee Lamptey.
This must be a record of some sort - a match being replayed almost a year later!
Unsurprisingly, South Africa are appealing the decision. Their hyperbole of "otherwise the whole group should be replayed!" is a laying it on a bit thick...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

08 Sep 2017, 22:17 #66

Yes, indeed the whole universe should be restarted to iron out the problems.
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Kaizeler
Joined: 05 Apr 2012, 14:54

13 Sep 2017, 18:18 #67

And it will, just one game at a time. The latest news are that the referee of the Libya-Tunisia game was married to a Tunisian.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

13 Sep 2017, 19:02 #68

Well, when Peru lost 0-6 the infamous match against Argentina at the 1978 World Cup, the goalkeeper of Peru was an Argentinian...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Sep 2017, 21:45 #69

Kaizeler wrote: the referee of the Libya-Tunisia game was married
Now I know what is really happening during the delay when the VAR is being checked.... the referee is phoning his wife to ask for permission to award the goal :-)
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

11 Oct 2017, 02:11 #70

Well I enjoyed my evening.  Watching all 5 Conmebol and 3 Concacaf matches on a cycle...  good old last day permutations and dramatic swings.  Great to see Panama make it.   Peru in a playoff gives NZ a fighting chance.

What a shame that our Trumploving friends won't be at the party next year.  
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Oct 2017, 10:42 #71

Less of an evening, more of a morning...

But Panama's win was very dramatic, great stuff. But it would be unfair not to point out the dodginess of their first goal, although let's just say the second goal was good enough to count double 😉.

Also remember that they got sucker-punched with a couple of injury-time goals 4 years ago. To go a little deeper, those goals were conceded to the already-qualified USA, which eliminated Panama and kept Mexico alive... after USA's match was finished Mexico still had one last free kick against Honduras that could have returned the favour... is the fact it went straight into the wall some kind of symbolism?

For Panama, combine that with some of their hard luck stories in the Gold Cup in recent years and this is an even sweeter moment for them, also managed to get there before they can be moaned at by bigger countries for only getting in with an expanded tournament. They showed how much they wanted it, even the ballboys/substitutes were giving their all out there for the country...
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Oct 2017, 11:32 #72

nfm24 wrote:Peru in a playoff gives NZ a fighting chance.

What a shame that our Trumploving friends won't be at the party next year. 
Take away Messi and Argentina would have been lucky to be considered favourites going by their form this year...

And as great as that slice of karma is I think more people in America are anti-Trump, he technically got less votes and I can't imagine he's turned many people's opinions around so far, probably the opposite in fact (sad!). And it's not as though a stereotypical 'MAGA' character is the type that embraces football (going by Trump's background, his son, and support for the 2026 bid he seems to at least like it himself though). Will probably leave them even more confused at the people still watching it while 'Murica are no longer involved.

I prefer the whole 'big nation being taken down a peg' angle (also helps a lot with the way the USA treated the Gold Cup), which is why I was kind of hoping Messi didn't pop up with a hat-trick.

Although as apparently the largest group of travelling fans (whether that's just for tournaments outside of Europe we won't know now for at least a decade) and the growth a World Cup appearance seems to bring to the game's popularity there (looks like my thesis is hitting an anomaly) they'll be missed, in a sense. But maybe in the long run it'll be a nice humbling experience to know that it's not a given for them to qualify, plus tournaments not involving your country can be very enjoyable (source: 2008... although the 'humbling' element for English fans quickly morphed into some kind of bipolar disorder).
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

11 Oct 2017, 13:25 #73

mattsanger92 wrote:some kind of symbolism?
Talking about symbolisms, did anybody notice this coincidence? In 1989, after winning in Trinidad and Tobago, the United States qualified for the World Cup. Now, after seven consecutive participations, a defeat in Trinidad and Tobago puts an end to their World Cup dreams.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Oct 2017, 15:48 #74

Not lost on me, especially after I noticed I linked to a post I made a few weeks ago mentioning "The Shot Heard Round The World" (they really need to calm down with that inflated ego thing). Obviously football in 🇺🇸 is in a much better place now than it was then so they can take the hit pretty easily, just means the popularity growth might slow down a little compared to what it could have been.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

11 Oct 2017, 16:28 #75

The same connection has been called up in a few previous campaigns, I seem to recall  - but recently USA has been qualified by that point anyway.

Right then, who will win?  Honduras or Oz?    NZ or Peru?  Morocco or the Ivory Coast?
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Oct 2017, 17:17 #76

mattsanger92 wrote:But maybe in the long run it'll be a nice humbling experience to know that it's not a given for them to qualify
Pleased to see it's started ahead of time, great that such a positive change in attitude is being led from the front.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Oct 2017, 17:27 #77

nfm24 wrote: Right then, who will win?  Honduras or Oz?    NZ or Peru?  Morocco or the Ivory Coast?
   🇭🇳🇦🇺
   🇳🇿🇵🇪
🇲🇦🇨🇮      (As long as Herve Renard gets to show off those blindingly white shirts on the world stage I'll be satisfied.)
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

11 Oct 2017, 21:51 #78

I haven't been very impressed by Oz at all.  I think Honduras can do it, but the 2nd leg being hosted by Oz may be crucial.

With Peru hosting the second leg, I can't really see them blowing it so badly in the 1st that they can't rescue it.

I fancy the Ivory coast to do a Martin O'Neill on Morocco.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

12 Oct 2017, 09:22 #79

I have half a scoop! A guy I know, who is very close to the Swedish Football Association, told me that the SvFF is trying to convince Zlatan Ibrahimović to come back to the national team for this November's playoffs! So it wouldn't be surprising if Zlatan wore Sweden's shirt again shortly.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

12 Oct 2017, 12:57 #80

I thought he now represents a team that goes beyond our mortal comprehension.

But it's not too surprising, had a feeling that if Sweden qualified he wouldn't be able to resist being on the biggest stage again (not that he's one of the players I desperately want to see get a happy ending but from his view this probably wasn't the best way to go out of international football...surprised he didn't do the Olympics to be honest). It's a little earlier than expected though if he's coming back for the Play-Off (if he's even injury-free by that time).

And hasn't the theory this campaign been that Sweden have played better without him, lack of a superstar making them play more as a team and all that?
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

12 Oct 2017, 13:36 #81

I can just add that, according to what I was told, the chances of seeing him again in yellow/blue would increase in the eventuality of a Sweden-Italy challenge.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

13 Oct 2017, 18:14 #82

nfm24 wrote: Well I enjoyed my evening.  Watching all 5 Conmebol and 3 Concacaf matches on a cycle...
This is how Neil more or less spent his Tuesday evening watching the World Cup qualifiers...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Oct 2017, 18:38 #83

Somehow it felt more like this:

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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

16 Oct 2017, 19:29 #85

The draw for the European Play-Offs is being held tomorrow afternoon. Thanks to FIFA's weird switch a few tournaments ago to using World Rankings rather than keeping the same strange table they use to eliminate the worst runner-up (🇸🇰) the pots are as follows:

Seeded: 🇨🇭🇮🇹🇭🇷🇩🇰
Not Seeded: 🇬🇧🇸🇪🇮🇪🇬🇷 (stupid tapatalk not having the Home Nations flags)

Fortunately in this case the same outcome would have occured in both methods. Although with a Libertadores-style setup (16th v 1st, 15th v 2nd, etc.) they could eliminate the need for a draw entirely...
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

07 Nov 2017, 10:42 #86

I'm glad that Italy will face Sweden for the World Cup playoff, mainly for one reason: millions of Italian fans will have the chance to listen to the Swedish National Anthem and to understand how splendid it is. If there were a special chart for National Anthems, I'm sure "Du gamla, du fria" would jump onto the number one of the hit parade next days. Really a great Anthem: when I listen to it on a very hot day especially in summer, its melody makes me feel the freshness of the Swedish weather.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

07 Nov 2017, 17:34 #87

Boo!  Down with music!  Down with national anthems!  Down with nations!  Down with life!  Boo!!!
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

07 Nov 2017, 19:12 #88

C'mon! It's wonderful: I'm even trying to learn it! 😎 

♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Nooooooooooooorden ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Nooooooooooooorden ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

07 Nov 2017, 20:40 #89

Luca wrote: C'mon! It's wonderful: I'm even trying to learn it! 😎 

♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Nooooooooooooorden ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ Ja, jag vill leva, jag vill dö i Nooooooooooooorden ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
Marc is in a down with everything period....do not blame him....
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Nov 2017, 08:58 #90

Luca wrote:I'm glad that Italy will face Sweden for the World Cup playoff
Welcome to Miseryland...
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

14 Nov 2017, 10:33 #91

Luca wrote:millions of Italian fans will have the chance to listen to the Swedish National Anthem and to understand how splendid it is.
Well between you and Buffon I counted at least two. Shame on the fans who booed another team's anthem, just pour all that emotion into your own (which to be fair Italy did, maybe the fans just had an 'afflusso emozionale', or something).

Also, I'm no expert on how the Swedish national anthem should sound, but it felt almost like the band were making it sound dodgy on purpose, bit like how this game gave a hidden musical treat to anyone who didn't play the level well:

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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Nov 2017, 21:47 #92

Well, after watching a lot of turgid 0-0 playoffs in the last few days, I was pleased to finally see football defeat anti-football tonight.  Really pathetic from Ireland.  Clueless.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

14 Nov 2017, 22:44 #93

I think I know what the problem was... Martin O'Neill is known for his lucky '31' clothing, and even though I've never seen him wear anything with the number for Ireland (though the sponsor's close enough), he must have gotten a reverse polarity in fortune from putting on Roy Keane's coat...

And just to pre-empt the obvious pun based on one of the 31 rumours, Ireland's performance was indeed Scheidt...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Nov 2017, 23:23 #94

This explanation is insufficient for the nonsense served up by his team.  Their tactics looked more like kabaddi than football.  No wonder the players appeared to be out of breath throughout the 2nd half.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

15 Nov 2017, 09:21 #95

nfm24 wrote: This explanation is insufficient for the nonsense served up by his team.  Their tactics looked more like kabaddi than football.  No wonder the players appeared to be out of breath throughout the 2nd half.
Currently watching Australia-Honduras.  Honduras seem to be playing better away than they did at home, but it's now 110 minutes with no goals...
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

15 Nov 2017, 10:45 #96

3 goals by Australia sounds good, but 1 was from a direct free-kick, and 2 from penalties. The Honduras goal came with the last kick of the match from a scrappy goalmouth scramble after a corner kick.

Not impressed with this match, despite there being 4 goals - but I feel Australia may go further in the World Cup than Honduras would have.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

15 Nov 2017, 20:01 #97

Australia did the job.  They are fairly good, about mid-European standard, but as with most such teams, lack a decent finisher.  The fact that Cahill is still their best striker says it all.   Rogic and Juric couldn't hit a dunny door with a boomerang.   Teams like this have to work too hard per goal scored, even against fairly poor opponents.

Honduras were simply crap.   Almost deliberately so.  Don't see what the advantage was of leaving the two best attacking players (Martinez & Costly) on the bench for both legs !?

Staying up for Peru-NZ tonight...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

15 Nov 2017, 21:57 #98

Nz bidding to qualify as the 9th unbeaten team (or 10th if we count Russia).  Whereas Peru have already lost 6 games.

Mind you, four teams were eliminated without losing.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

15 Nov 2017, 22:19 #99

Code: Select all

                P  W  D  L   F  A  Pts  ppm   gpm   ga
Germany        10 10  0  0  43- 4  30   3.00  4.30 10.75
Belgium        10  9  1  0  43- 6  28   2.80  4.30  7.17
Spain          10  9  1  0  36- 3  28   2.80  3.60 12.00
Portugal       10  9  0  1  32- 4  27   2.70  3.20  8.00
England        10  8  2  0  18- 3  26   2.60  1.80  6.00
Switzerland    12 10  1  1  24- 7  31   2.58  2.00  3.43
Poland         10  8  1  1  28-14  25   2.50  2.80  2.00
Tunisia         8  6  2  0  15- 6  20   2.50  1.88  2.50
Japan          18 13  3  2  44- 7  42   2.33  2.44  6.29
Iran           18 12  6  0  36- 5  42   2.33  2.00  7.20
New Zealand    12  8  4  0  24- 4  28   2.33  2.00  6.00   ---pending---
Mexico         16 11  4  1  29- 8  37   2.31  1.81  3.63
France         10  7  2  1  18- 6  23   2.30  1.80  3.00
Brazil         18 12  5  1  41-11  41   2.28  2.28  3.73
Senegal         8  5  3  0  15- 5  18   2.25  1.88  3.00
Nigeria         8  5  3  0  14- 4  18   2.25  1.75  3.50
Iceland        10  7  1  2  16- 7  22   2.20  1.60  2.29
Australia      22 14  6  2  51-18  48   2.18  2.31  2.83
South Korea    18 12  3  3  38-10  39   2.17  2.11  3.80
Saudi Arabia   18 12  3  3  45-14  39   2.17  2.50  3.21
Serbia         10  6  3  1  20-10  21   2.10  2.00  2.00
Denmark        12  7  3  2  25- 9  24   2.00  2.08  2.78
Croatia        12  7  3  2  19- 5  24   2.00  1.58  3.80
Costa Rica     16  9  5  2  25-11  32   2.00  1.56  2.27
Egypt           8  5  1  2  12- 5  16   2.00  1.50  2.40
Sweden         12  7  2  3  27- 9  23   1.92  2.25  3.00
Morocco         8  4  3  1  13- 1  15   1.88  1.63 13.00
Uruguay        18  9  4  5  32-20  31   1.72  1.78  1.60
Argentina      18  7  7  4  19-16  28   1.56  1.06  1.19
Colombia       18  7  6  5  21-19  27   1.50  1.17  1.11
Panama         16  6  5  5  16-15  23   1.44  1.00  1.07
Peru           19  7  6  6  27-26  27   1.42  1.42  1.04   ---pending---
Russia          0  0  0  0   0- 0   0   NaN   NaN   NaN
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

16 Nov 2017, 10:05 #100

mattsanger92 wrote:
Luca wrote:millions of Italian fans will have the chance to listen to the Swedish National Anthem and to understand how splendid it is.
Well between you and Buffon I counted at least two. Shame on the fans who booed another team's anthem, just pour all that emotion into your own (which to be fair Italy did, maybe the fans just had an 'afflusso emozionale', or something).
I have to agree: that moment was as disgraceful as the performances of Italy in this play-off. Also considering that in the first leg nobody among the Swedish fans booed the Italian Anthem.
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