World championship

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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

30 Oct 2017, 11:23 #201

Not sure how a one-off match between European Champions (or runners-up sometimes) and South American champions can be considered a legit world championship (let alone an official one) by an organisation with 6 confederations.

They might as well consider the British Championship as a World Championship in the pre-FIFA years.
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Kaizeler
Joined: 05 Apr 2012, 14:54

30 Oct 2017, 11:39 #202

Only slightly less of a shambles than Team GB being awarded a gold medal in cricket at the 1900 Olympics after beating France (actually mostly British Embassy officials from Paris).
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

30 Oct 2017, 17:11 #203

Perhaps if I play against you at chess in a sushi bar during the next Olympics in Tokyo, in 100 years time we will be considered the first Olympic chess medallists.  Then I can add a silver (at least) to my gold in the chocolate limes competition.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

30 Oct 2017, 19:08 #204

nfm24 wrote: Not sure how a one-off match between European Champions (or runners-up sometimes) and South American champions can be considered a legit world championship (let alone an official one) by an organisation with 6 confederations.
The Intercontinental Cup was surely official because it was organized and recognized by UEFA + CONMEBOL. The most correct definition for the winners would have been "intercontinental champions", but it's also true that from 1960 to 2004 the European and the South American schools were probably the strongest and most competitive in club football, so the term "world champions" was not usurped. Now the situation has changed. The UEFA Champions League winners are stronger and stronger, while I'm not sure the Copa Libertadores champions nowadays represent the second best school in the world. Other continental leagues are improving their level, mainly thanks to their financial resources, so it will be extremely difficult for South America to maintain the second place in club football hierarchy.

Kaizeler wrote: Only slightly less of a shambles than Team GB being awarded a gold medal in cricket at the 1900 Olympics after beating France (actually mostly British Embassy officials from Paris).
Well, I remember when in 1954 Wolverhampton Wanderers were proclaimed "champions of the world" by Daily Mirror after winning a couple of friendlies...
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

30 Oct 2017, 19:46 #205

there was also an intercontinental competition between CONCACAF and CONMEBOL and even between CAF and AFC....so even "intercontintal champion" is not a good title.....there was simply no world championship for clubs before, just like there was no WC for countries before 1930....some call the olympic champions World champions before 1930, it is also incorrect ...
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

30 Oct 2017, 20:06 #206

pieter wrote: there was also an intercontinental competition between CONCACAF and CONMEBOL
And that cup, the Copa Interamericana, apparently had an informal agreement that the winner would be the team that plays for the Toyota Cup.

In 1980 it had a Mexican winner, but Nacional still went to Tokyo and won the thing when under a CWC-style format they wouldn't have been in the 'final' in the first place. Same thing happened in 1977 too.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

31 Oct 2017, 19:21 #207

pieter wrote:...there was simply no world championship for clubs before, just like there was no WC for countries before 1930....
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

01 Nov 2017, 10:38 #208

There's the paradox of the 2000 season: Corinthians won the FIFA Club World Championship, while Boca Juniors won the Intercontinental Cup. So according to FIFA there were two world champions that year!
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