Who is the best manager/coach in the world?

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Who is the best manager in the world?
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07 Oct 2014, 18:16 #51

Similar in England on both sides of the argument, my view's more halfway. Co-efficients and all that are a little important, and so is getting behind someone from your country, but not to the extremes that some fans take it.
I usually will want an English team to win a European competition like Fulham or Middlesbrough, but the larger ones that are considered the big rivals of my team (Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, etc.)... not so much. Not that I want them to lose, but I just don't care what the outcome is, I can't really get behind a team that I might have been wanting to lose a few days before unless it's some sort of special occasion.

Even finals don't really cut it there though, the Chelsea v Bayern Munich 2012 game I just wanted to watch and be entertained, but then parts of the media turn it into an 'us vs. them' situation, and the people I spoke to about this issue gave me a bit of stick for being so apathetic and not cheering for Chelsea like my life depended on it . I was also told that one of our friends was behind Chelsea despite being a Tottenham fan, where a Chelsea win that year stopped them from reaching the CL next season. I'm sure there were Germans wanting Bayern to lose, though, right?

Some of these clubs are technically representing their country, but the fact that Manchester City and Roma had the same number of English starters on the pitch the other week sums up my point on some of the larger clubs. I can understand how in smaller countries the mood might be different, though (obviously aside from any Rangers/Celtic-level rivalries), how did the rivals of APOEL Nicosia react to their quarter-final run?



All that being said, though, it shouldn't carry across to national teams, the players are there representing their country, their club team is just a footnote. If Wayne Rooney scores a goal even in a friendly, I'm happy.
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07 Oct 2014, 19:19 #52

mattsanger92 wrote:
big rivals of my team (Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, etc.)... not so much. Not that I want them to lose, but I just don't care what the outcome is, I can't really get behind a team that I might have been wanting to lose a few days before
But surely the longer they stay in Europe the more drained their players will be, allowing your team to do better in the league?Or something.  I don't like club much football these days.
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11 Oct 2014, 09:10 #53

Ahahah ok ok I admit I've been a bit unkind towards my "beloved" rossoneri cousins.However I think in football there's nothing better than a sound and good rivalry. Consider that AC Milan's supporters are not in odour of sanctity either. When Inter faced Bayern for the 2010 Champions League final, they were ready to celebrate the German success with würstels and Bavarian beer 
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11 Oct 2014, 16:25 #54

I appreciate both, but there's far more to complain about with club football (or in glass half-full mode, much more to like about internationals ).
And I can never really subscribe to the 'burnout' excuses. Club squads are more than big enough to handle 'two games in five days' , and players at the highest level will generally have higher fitness levels than lower-league counterparts who end up on much tighter schedules (not to mention day jobs) even allowing for a lower intensity of play, as well as smaller international tournaments (futsal, beach soccer, etc. included) that could have less than a 1-day gap between matches and much more likely to tire. The NBA and NHL have 80+ game seasons with each game essentially being 48/60 minutes of shuttle runs/skates. It is up to the clubs to manage their resources in the way they see fit.
Luca - resume your unkindness, this AC Milan-engineered petty suggestion has come through: basically boils down to 'we're a big club, so we deserve to be in the Champions League even if we haven't done well in our league' : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29572414
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12 Oct 2014, 09:03 #55

mattsanger92 wrote:
Luca - resume your unkindness, this AC Milan-engineered petty suggestion has come through: basically boils down to 'we're a big club, so we deserve to be in the Champions League even if we haven't done well in our league' : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29572414
In 1997 AC Milan did exactly the same. After finishing 11th in the Italian league, they requested a wild card for the Champions League. UEFA's reply was more or less the following: “No, Sirs. If you want, the only place available is in the Intertoto Cup”. So they gave up and had to applaude our triumph in the 1997/98 UEFA Cup!
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12 Oct 2014, 12:27 #56

I think teams like Újpest, Carl Zeiss Jena or Dunfermline Athletic should start claiming wildcards based on reaching finals or semi-finals of European competition in the past. They'd surely be more in need of the finances than Milan would.
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05 Feb 2015, 09:56 #57

Sad to hear about the death of the great German coach Udo Lattek, who won the three most important European competitions with three different clubs.I remember, a lot of years ago, I named Udo Lattek FC my Fantacalcio team...
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23 Apr 2017, 17:25 #58

Under coach Vítor Oliveira, Portimonense clinched promotion to the Portuguese top flight today. What's more interesting is that it was Oliveira's fifth consecutive promotion with five different teams in as many years (Arouca 2013, Moreirense 2014, U. Madeira 2015, Chaves 2016 and now Portimonense 2017). Overall it was the 10th time he guided a team to promotion in 17 seasons working in the second tier.
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30 Apr 2017, 08:51 #59

And yesterday Carlo Ancelotti won the Bundesliga title with Bayern Munich. He had already conquered the national title in Italy, England and France. In Spain he did not win La Liga, but did guide Real Madrid to the Champions League triumph in 2014.
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21 Nov 2017, 14:45 #60

With Tony Pulis out of the way at West Brom, it's nice to know they're heading in the direction of more attractive play under their caretaker...
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21 Nov 2017, 18:54 #61

It's amazing what you can achieve just by shouting and bloody-mindedness.  These guys are really more suitable to train military cadets than coach the beautiful game.
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21 Nov 2017, 18:55 #62

BTW how the hell did Pulis get a mention on this thread!
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21 Nov 2017, 23:36 #63

nfm24 wrote: BTW how the hell did Pulis get a mention on this thread!
Mainly (99.9%) as a gateway to link to Megson's mummy-daddy blousey stuff. Not really worth a mention in other threads, not worth starting it's own, and Megson seems pretty far removed from any international football. Think of him as the antithesis of the thread's title.

The .1% is future-proofing incase Pulis ends up guiding Wales to international glory in the future.
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22 Nov 2017, 01:17 #64

I just wonder what people like Megson and Pulis get out of football (apart from a salary).  Perhaps we can start a crowd-funded campaign to pay them their equivalent salaries to stay away from it.
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27 Jan 2018, 17:01 #65

Good grief.

Although if Wenger and Trump swapped jobs it would make a fun (and much safer) experiment, the latter's more suited to the PL media circus anyway...
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27 Jan 2018, 17:50 #66

Wenger would be a good grandfatherly leader for a socialist country.  He has a touch of the Ho Chi Minh about him.
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27 Jan 2018, 21:12 #67

nfm24 wrote: Wenger would be a good grandfatherly leader for a socialist country.  He has a touch of the Ho Chi Minh about him.
I pity anyone who Hanois him though.  He can be a bit of a Saigon-path.
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28 Jan 2018, 02:08 #68

Your puns ARVN't half getting on my Tets.
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28 Jan 2018, 19:44 #69

nfm24 wrote: Your puns ARVN't half getting on my Tets.
They may be Cong-troversial, but at least they're not Viet-riolic.
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28 Jan 2018, 21:24 #70

Hue the lads.
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