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11:21 AM - Nov 08, 2016 #1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37731709
Football officials from Thailand and Australia have banned chanting at next month's World Cup qualifying match out of respect for the late Thai king.
Football associations in the two countries have also said fans should wear black, grey, or white.

Complete nonsense.  How can you have a sporting match and not cheer for your team?  Surely this is political interference in sport? (If it's not, it should be classed as such).  No single person deserves so much 'respect', especially a hereditary monarch who nobody actually knows well enough to make a decision on whether they should respect him.
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12:32 PM - Nov 08, 2016 #2

once again, I totally agree.....the public must be free (also to weave Palestinian flags); the FA's should not express political vieuws....a minute of silence can be agreed, that is enough
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4:38 PM - Nov 08, 2016 #3

Freedom of expression clearly suspended. Booooooooo (oh wait sorry, booing is banned). Hopefully they make the tickets free.

I think in some of the late 1970s matches when PR China was getting back into the international sporting arena, the crowds were "encouraged" to cheer each side equally and cheer sportsmanship above goals.
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2:09 PM - Nov 09, 2016 #4

When Japan hosted the 2002 World Cup, the Japanese fans were obliged to learn by heart the lyrics of the foreign anthems and to paint their faces
with the flags of the opponents...
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6:56 PM - Nov 10, 2016 #5

In a recent match, Iran were also encouraged to "mourn" the goals of their team. However, they cheered, and were drowned out by the tannoy announcing tributes to Allah or something similar. I'm sure I haven't imagined this, but I can't remember where I read it.
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3:53 AM - Nov 11, 2016 #6

It happened more or less a month ago during their match against South Korea. FIFA have imposed a fine of CHF 45,000 on the Iranian FA.
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9:40 AM - Feb 24, 2018 #7

the draw for the Kings cup was planned 20 februari.....is the result known?
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9:53 AM - Feb 24, 2018 #8

I don't think it has been held yet.

They will need to change the dates (they list them as 23 and 25 March) - but this is not allowed under FIFA rules (there must be 3 days between matches on FIFA dates).
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12:28 PM - Feb 24, 2018 #9

Why don't they just claim that the players time travelled between the two dates?
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2:56 PM - Feb 24, 2018 #10

nfm24 wrote: Why don't they just claim that the players time travelled between the two dates?
Just joint-host in 🇼🇸/🇦🇸. Worked before...

Might upset the spirit of the titular king discussed above though, another part of that mourning process was apparently these kits (at least I heard about that reasoning a few times although the official line seems to be different).
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8:18 PM - Feb 26, 2018 #11

Thailand v Gabon and Slovakia v UAE in the semi-finals.
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9:34 PM - Feb 26, 2018 #12

I predict Slovakia will grind to a dull double 0-0 penalties victory.
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9:41 PM - Feb 26, 2018 #13

In other news, I just noticed that your results and fixtures lists use "Czechia" - is this a new development or am I just slow off the mark?

Yours,
G.K. Wenceslas
President, Abe Jones Appreciation Society (Czechian branch)
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3:01 PM - Feb 27, 2018 #14

Myanmar is still "Burma" on those lists. Well behind the curve on some areas, well ahead on others, truly an enigma...
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9:53 AM - Feb 28, 2018 #15

Czechia - yes, I decided to change.  I didn't like the name but now it's grown on me, and it's what the Czechs want to be called in English.  Besides, I don't like this "type of country" in the country name, as mentioned elsewhere.  It's logically better than Czech Republic.

Now I just need to think of fancy names for Central African Republic (Central Africa?), DR Congo (don't like Congo-Kinshasa) and Dominican Republic (Dominicana?)

The UK government does not recognise the legitimacy of the regime that changed the country's name from Burma to Myanmar.  I am not sure what is best, but I'll stick with Burma for now.

Other cases where I have not used "this is what we want you to call us" are Timor Leste (East Timor will do just fine, thanks), Côte d'Ivoire and Cabo Verde.  I don't like it when countries use endonyms and then tell everyone they can't have their own exonyms. 

I also don't like the use of Holland for the Netherlands.
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3:20 PM - Feb 28, 2018 #16

Would you like to join AJAS ?

Using the name of the football association, rather than the name of the country/nation/territory/entity is another way around this.
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3:24 PM - Feb 28, 2018 #17

most people prefer the name of the country....I cannot imagine people get excited for a game KBVB-FFF (Belgium-France)
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8:53 AM - Mar 01, 2018 #18

What about when there are two associations from the same country?
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12:28 PM - Mar 01, 2018 #19

Then you call one "Isle of Man" and the other "Ellan Vannin"...
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1:47 PM - Mar 01, 2018 #20

mattsanger92 wrote: Then you call one "Isle of Man" and the other "Ellan Vannin"...
the only example I know....and I do not like it....
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3:10 PM - Mar 01, 2018 #21

Speaking of Thailand and official names, what about the full name of its capital...?!
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4:18 PM - Mar 01, 2018 #22

mattsanger92 wrote:Then you call one "Isle of Man" and the other "Ellan Vannin"...
Doesn't really help reduce ambiguity though.  Much like having one Burma and one Myanmar.   Or one Namibia, one SWA.
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2:39 PM - Mar 02, 2018 #23

nfm24 wrote: Using the name of the football association, rather than the name of the country/nation/territory/entity is another way around this.
I agree. After all in football Europe doesn't exist as a geographical and political entity. UEFA exists instead, and UEFA doesn't match to Europe, because Israel and Kazakhstan are in Asia.

pieter wrote: most people prefer the name of the country....I cannot imagine people get excited for a game KBVB-FFF (Belgium-France)
Fans, media, insiders, public opinion etc. are free to use the name they prefer, but in football Belgium and France are just the unofficial names. The official denomination should be Koninklijke Belgische Voetbalbond and Fédération Française de Football.
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2:45 PM - Mar 02, 2018 #24

But these are just names of the federations to which the players belong.  In reality, it is the best players of France and Belgium, and the shorthand names make more sense.  Also, when talking of countries going to war - its really the governments who are going to war, not the countries, so the official name of countries going to war should be the long name of the country.  But it's not conventional to be so precise when not necessary.
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9:34 AM - Mar 03, 2018 #25

Also (considering that Belgium is one of the examples given by Piet), there will also be the issue of which language(s) to write the name of the association.

I'm not really seriously suggesting the use of the association names in general, except in cases of ambiguity such as when two (or more) associations from the same country/territory are active simultaneously.   For those who can't think of examples other than the Isle of Man, try googling "Kajee Cup", or think about the dissident FAs in early South American football.

Thankfully, nobody has so far suggested the use of flag icons instead of words.
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9:40 AM - Mar 03, 2018 #26

TheRoonBa wrote:But these are just names of the federations to which the players belong.  In reality, it is the best players of France and Belgium, and the shorthand names make more sense.
Yes but there is not always an complete overlap between "best players of Country" and "best players affiliated to Country FA."  In general the two sets are close enough to make it overkill to distinguish between them, but there are enough historical cases where the two sets have differed (sometimes drastically) for various reasons. 

France is another example of a country which had more than one FA (in the early days).
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11:29 AM - Mar 03, 2018 #27

nfm24 wrote:Thankfully, nobody has so far suggested the use of flag icons instead of words.
😀☝ ... no, nevermind, too tired, long week.
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5:39 AM - Mar 09, 2018 #28

TheRoonBa wrote: But these are just names of the federations to which the players belong.  In reality, it is the best players of France and Belgium, and the shorthand names make more sense. 
Take club football as an example. Players officially belong to Real Madrid Club de Fútbol, Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Manchester United Football Club, Football Club Internazionale Milano and so on, but fans, media, insiders and public opinion call them "Real Madrid", "Benfica", "Manchester United" and "Inter".
In international football, players belong to and are officially selected by The Football Association, Fédération Française de Football, Confederação Brasileira de Futebol, Real Federación Española de Fútbol and so on, but fans, media, insiders and public opinion call them "England", "France", "Brazil" and "Spain".
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3:38 PM - Mar 09, 2018 #29

Club nicknames like "Inter" are general shorthand for the long name of the same entity.  It is like saying "Sepp" instead of "Sir Joseph Blatter."  The short name is determined by the long name, and no information is lost and there is no ambiguity, except perhaps in cases of two clubs with the same nickname (e.g. "Real" for Real Madrid or Real Sociedad etc).

But "England" is not general shorthand for "(English) Football Association representative team" in the same sense.  The short name is not determined by the long name, the two entities aren't identical except in a particular context.

Example: on radio sports bulletins nowadays, it is common for the announcer to just say "England beat France last night in the She Believes Cup" or "England's lower order collapsed overnight against New Zealand"  or "England coach Eddie Jones is looking forward to ..."  and often the announcer doesn't actually state the sport to which he/she is referring, let alone the name of the associations involved.  They just use "England" to refer to the national team in whatever sport, including both genders and sometimes age groups, without specifying.   Usually by the end of the bulletin, the context of each result is fairly clear (to sports fans at least) but not always.

The same happens in domestic sport too, often the name of the sport is not mentioned.  In cases like "Manchester United beat West Ham ..."  it is obvious, but in cases like "Leeds beat Wigan ..." it isn't.  At least, not at the start of the sentence!

Also, it needn't be just countries with two or more FAs that are ambiguous.  Even similarly named countries can be a problem.  E.g. Sint Maarten / Saint-Martin (see other thread), or reports saying just "Yemen" without specifying North or South.   We rely on the source to have taken enough of an interest to actually identify (correctly) the opponent.
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