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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

22 Nov 2017, 01:27 #51

Robert Mugabe's out of work, maybe he could take Wales forward.   With John Hartson to keep nudging him awake.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

22 Nov 2017, 10:03 #52

nfm24 wrote: Robert Mugabe's out of work, maybe he could take Wales forward.   With John Hartson to keep nudging him awake.
Without going too far, Prince Philip of Edinburgh now is free from commitments, so he might be eligible...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

22 Nov 2017, 10:54 #53

I think he is waiting for the Greece job.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

22 Nov 2017, 11:22 #54

nfm24 wrote: He didn't finish 3rd at two major tmts, he reached the semis at two.  He won one match out of six at the SheBelieves Cup.   I'm not saying he's rubbish, I'm just saying that for a relatively high level job in men's football, I don't think anyone (in Britain) looks to women's managers anyway, even if they are successful, unless they are desperate.  If he had won the World Cup, and not had the moral issues, then maybe.  But I think a lot of people view it similar to success with a youth team.

Would Sunderland, or a similar club, have picked up Sampson?
For 3rd in the Euros I'm using my True Bronzer rules, Austria are more of a fairytale run but England earned more 'points' over the course of the tournament. Plus Sampson/Wales narrative.

Would Sunderland take Sampson? No (mainly because of that whole 'culture' slanted against trying anything too different), but when you look at what they've had since Large Samuel left (unfortunately under Big Sam rules I have to include Coleman in that with his current 0% record), you can easily argue that surely he couldn't have done worse, if nothing else would have brought more enthusiasm than a man who looks like he has a daily appointment with the dementors from Harry Potter.

And while Norway like I mentioned earlier aren't exactly a shining example of success on the pitch, surely it's better to at least consider these women's coaches when they do a good job, otherwise how much progress has really been made? If David Unsworth gets together a few half-decent results for Everton he'll probably get that job on a permanent contract (and even if he fails after that could still find relatively decent work by virtue of 'being at Everton'), all off of the experience of a a few games worth of caretaker stints and Everton U23, by all accounts only getting his break from being the most senior member of staff left when someone got sacked.

So all it sometimes takes is a few games after lucking into a 'top role' and you're suddenly 'proven' with few questions asked, a more recent example that actually happened would be Craig Shakespeare. It gets by largely unnoticed by the media but they then interrogate the credentials of someone who earned their stripes (usually a lot more of them) elsewhere (see: Marco Silva, "does he get 'this league', etc."). Is there some difference between youth/women's football and men's club football? Yes, but I don't think it's as vast as people like to make out, football's football.

Anyway, as international football connoisseurs we'd surely think Sampson was already at the peak of football in a way, and that like Coleman if he joined a professional men's club he'd be taking a step down (albeit with much much higher pay) 😉.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

22 Nov 2017, 11:31 #55

nfm24 wrote: I think he is waiting for the Greece job.
If we want to go down that route then it'll be Prince Charles, although his title escaped him a couple months ago...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

22 Nov 2017, 13:42 #56

The caretaker taking over is normally just a continuity matter of convenience, if the board haven't lined anyone up before the vacancy occurred.   I agree that being in the right place at the right time often outweighs any number of other qualifications, but this isn't just a football issue.

It's the totally left-field appointments that are most perplexing, e.g. Gary Neville to Spain.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

22 Nov 2017, 20:11 #57

nfm24 wrote:It's the totally left-field appointments that are most perplexing, e.g. Gary Neville to Spain.
That one's not really the best example, he was mates with Peter Lim (owner of both Valencia and Salford City where Gary & friends had a stake), and Phil was already there as the assistant. A surprising headline at the time but with the details underneath it was really easily explained.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

23 Nov 2017, 00:08 #58

That doesn't make it any less of a terrible decision.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

23 Nov 2017, 14:53 #59

Without the benefit of hindsight, at the time he was a very highly-rated TV pundit, 'changed the game' for Sky Sports and all that, had also done some time as the England assistant. Those aren't nessecarily reasons to class it as a good decision, but there were reasons they could point to.

One of the biggest red flags at the time though should have been anyone that heard his commentary, man couldn't even pronounce Moreno ("Morayneo") properly.

Anyway, I'm quite a fan of when these pundits end up failing in management and crawling back to their TV jobs (Shearer and Neville being the biggest examples), then a week or two of gentle ribbing later it's like nothing ever happened, back criticising the more successful coaches with the power of hindsight/multiple replays.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

24 Nov 2017, 09:46 #60

mattsanger92 wrote:Without the benefit of hindsight, at the time he was a very highly-rated TV pundit, 'changed the game' for Sky Sports and all that, had also done some time as the England assistant. Those aren't nessecarily reasons to class it as a good decision, but there were reasons they could point to.
What about the reasons why it was a terrible decision, which we discussed on another thread (without hindsight!).

Agree on the last comment.  Pundits who dabble dismally should be sacked from punditry also.
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