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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

March 2nd, 2008, 12:54 pm #1

I cannot get access to the records of Swaziland....
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

March 2nd, 2008, 1:05 pm #2

Fixed now....
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

March 2nd, 2008, 3:09 pm #3

1978 4.2.Lusaka: Zambia-Swaziland 9-1
5.2.Lusaka: Zambia-Swaziland 11-2 (FIFA news)
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Joined: May 13th, 2008, 10:34 am

May 22nd, 2008, 8:54 pm #4

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Joined: December 26th, 2008, 11:44 am

February 9th, 2009, 3:39 pm #5

This is all I've got:
01-05-1968 Malawi W 2-0 Mbabane
20-07-1968 Malawi W 2-0 Mbabane
06-07-1969 Malawi L 0-3 Blantyre
04-02-1978 Zambia L 1-9 Lusaka
05-02-1978 Zambia L 2-11 Lusaka
18-04-1981 Zambia L 1-6 Bulawayo
04-09-1981 Lesotho D 1-1 Mbabane
05-09-1981 Zimbabwe L 0-2 Mbabane
06-09-1981 Malawi D 0-0 Mbabane
14-10-1984 Zimbabwe L 0-3 Harare
04-11-1984 Zimbabwe L 1-5 Mbabane
26-04-1986 Botswana L 0-1 Mbabane
04-01-1987 Malawi L 1-3 Mbabane
18-01-1987 Malawi L 1-6 Lilongwe
07-06-1987 Zimbabwe L 0-2 Mbabane
21-06-1987 Zimbabwe L 1-6 Harare
01-10-1988 Tanzania D 1-1 Nairobi
16-10-1988 Tanzania D 1-1 Mbabane
09-04-1989 Malawi L 0-2 Mbabane
23-04-1989 Malawi D 1-1 Blantyre
20-01-1990 Botswana W 3-1 Mbabane
21-01-1990 Tanzania W 1-0 Mbabane
24-01-1990 Malawi D 0-0 Mbabane
25-01-1990 Zambia L 0-2 Zanzibar
01-04-1990 Zimbabwe D 4-4 Harare
12-08-1990 Mozambique D 0-0 Mbabane
19-08-1990 Zambia L 0-5 Lusaka
25-08-1990 Botswana W 3-0 Gaborone
02-09-1990 Angola D 1-1 Mbabane
14-04-1991 Madagaskar L 0-1 Mbabane
28-04-1991 Zambia W 2-1 Mbabane
22-06-1991 Mozambique L 1-2 Maputo
14-07-1991 Angola D 1-1 Luanda
21-09-1991 Botswana L 1-2 Gaborone
14-06-1992 Botswana D 0-0 Mbabane
20-06-1992 Mozambique L 1-4 Maputo
28-06-1992 Botswana W 4-0 Mbabane
18-10-1992 Kameroen L 0-5 Yaoundé
25-10-1992 Congo-Kinshasa W 1-0 Lobamba
17-01-1993 Kameroen D 0-0 Manzini
06-07-1993 Malawi L 1-3 Blantyre
08-07-1993 Malawi D 1-1 Lilongwe
10-07-1993 Malawi W 1-0 Lilongwe
29-07-1993 Malawi L 0-3 Blantyre
08-08-1993 Zimbabwe L 0-2 Harare
06-09-1993 Zimbabwe L 0-1 Mbabane
22-04-1994 Mozambique L 0-1 Mbabane
12-05-1996 Mozambique L 0-1 Mbabane
02-06-1996 Gabon L 0-1 Mbabane
16-06-1996 Gabon L 0-2 Libreville
26-01-1997 Lesotho L 1-3 Mbabane
21-02-1997 Botswana D 0-0 Gaborone
02-03-1997 Mozambique L 0-4 Mbabane
02-11-1997 Mauritius L 0-1 Mbabane
13-12-1997 Mozambique D 1-1 Manzini
18-12-1997 Lesotho D 0-0 Maseru
28-12-1997 Lesotho D 0-0 Mbabane
10-01-1998 Botswana D 0-0 Manzini
08-03-1998 Angola L 0-1 Mbabane
02-08-1998 Madagaskar L 1-2 Mbabane
23-08-1998 Madagaskar D 1-1 Antananarivo
09-09-1998 Ghana L 0-1 Mbabane
03-04-1999 Namibië D 1-1 Mbabane
25-04-1999 Lesotho W 4-1 Mbabane
09-05-1999 Mozambique W 3-1 Mbabane
16-05-1999 Botswana W 2-1 Manzini
18-07-1999 Zimbabwe D 1-1 Manzini
15-08-1999 Lesotho W 3-0 Maseru
28-08-1999 Namibië D 1-1 Windhoek
19-02-2000 Lesotho L 0-1 Maseru
19-03-2000 Botswana L 0-3 Gaborone
09-04-2000 Angola L 0-1 Mbabane
23-04-2000 Angola L 1-7 Luanda
01-06-2000 Lesotho L 0-1 Mbabane
02-06-2000 Botswana D 0-0 Mbabane
04-06-2000 Mozambique D 1-1 Mbabane
18-06-2000 Zuid-Afrika L 0-2 Witbank
02-07-2000 Kenia W 3-2 Mbabane
16-07-2000 Kenia L 0-3 Nairobi
06-01-2001 Angola W 1-0 Manzini
07-01-2001 Namibië W 2-1 Manzini
09-01-2001 Lesotho D 2-2 Manzini
27-01-2001 Botswana W 2-1 Gaborone
12-02-2001 Zambia D 0-0 Mbabane
10-03-2001 Botswana L 0-1 Maseru
11-03-2001 Lesotho L 1-2 Maseru
22-04-2001 Mozambique W 2-1 Maseru
20-05-2001 Lesotho L 0-1 Maseru
01-07-2001 Malawi D 2-2 Lilongwe
08-07-2001 Zimbabwe L 1-2 Harare
02-03-2002 Botswana L 2-6 Gaborone
11-03-2002 Lesotho W 1-0 Mbabane
30-03-2002 Mozambique L 1-2 Mhlume
31-03-2002 Mozambique D 1-1 Big Bend
21-04-2002 Namibië W 2-1 Mbabane
05-05-2002 Zimbabwe W 2-0 Harare
01-08-2002 Mauritius L 0-1 Mbabane
03-08-2002 Mauritius D 0-0 Big Bend
24-08-2002 Zuid-Afrika L 1-4 Polokwane
07-09-2002 Botswana D 0-0 Gaborone
06-10-2002 Lesotho D 0-0 Big Bend
13-10-2002 Libië W 2-1 Labomba
19-03-2003 Lesotho W 1-0 Mbabane
30-03-2003 Congo-Kinshasa D 1-1 Mbabane
25-05-2003 Lesotho L 1-2 Maseru
08-06-2003 Congo-Kinshasa L 0-2 Kinshasa
22-06-2003 Botswana W 3-2 Mbabane
05-07-2003 Libië L 2-6 Tripoli
13-07-2003 Madagaskar W 2-0 Mbabane
30-08-2003 Zimbabwe L 0-2 Harare
06-09-2003 Botswana L 0-3 Mbabane
04-10-2003 Lesotho L 2-5 Maseru
11-10-2003 Kaapverdië D 1-1 Mbabane
09-11-2003 Mozambique L 0-2 Maputo
15-11-2003 Kaapverdië L 0-3 Praia
11-04-2004 Mozambique L 0-2 Maputo
30-05-2004 Mozambique D 1-1 Maputo
27-06-2004 Zimbabwe L 0-5 Lobamba
01-06-2005 Lesotho W 4-3 Maseru
11-06-2005 Zambia L 0-3 Lusaka
14-04-2006 Lesotho L 0-5 Maseru
16-04-2006 Lesotho D 2-2 Maseru
20-05-2006 Zuid-Afrika L 0-1 Gaborone
21-05-2006 Madagaskar W 2-0 Gaborone
24-06-2006 Mozambique L 0-4 Maputo
25-06-2006 Zimbabwe L 1-2 Maputo
26-08-2006 Lesotho W 3-1 Labomba
03-09-2006 Angola L 0-2 Labomba
04-10-2006 Ethiopië L 0-1 Addis Abeba
08-10-2006 Eritrea D 0-0 Asmara
13-02-2007 Lesotho W 1-0 Maseru
18-03-2007 Lesotho L 0-1 Labomba
25-03-2007 Kenia L 0-2 Nairobi
26-05-2007 Mauritius D 0-0 Labomba
27-05-2007 Malawi W 1-0 Labomba
03-06-2007 Kenia D 0-0 Labomba
17-06-2007 Angola L 0-3 Luanda
09-09-2007 Eritrea D 0-0 Manzini
18-11-2007 Malawi L 0-3 Manzini
09-02-2008 Botswana L 1-4 Labomba
10-02-2008 Lesotho D 2-2 Labomba
23-05-2008 Lesotho D 1-1 Mbabane
08-06-2008 Togo W 2-1 Mbabane
15-06-2008 Zambia D 0-0 Mbabane
21-06-2008 Zambia L 0-1 Chililabombwe
19-07-2008 Madagaskar D 1-1 Witbank
21-07-2008 Mauritius D 1-1 Witbank
23-07-2008 Seychellen W 1-0 Witbank
20-08-2008 Mozambique L 0-3 Maputo
11-10-2008 Togo L 0-6 Accra
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

February 9th, 2009, 7:11 pm #6

??/10/66 Lesotho ?-? Swaziland
06/08/73 Swaziland 0-1 Malawi
??/05/78 Swaziland 1-6 Zambia
01/07/84 Swaziland 3-1 Lesotho
31/07/87 Botswana 2-1 Swaziland
19/04/89 Swaziland 1-0 Zambia
24/04/94 Swaziland 0-1 Mozambique (in addition to 22/04/94, or could be a duplicate)
06/07/04 Malawi 1-2 Swaziland
08/07/04 Malawi 1-1 Swaziland
15/11/06 Botswana 1-0 Swaziland
I didn't have these matches
25/01/90
14/06/92
28/06/92
18/12/97
22/04/01
I have Ethiopia v Swaziland on 05/10/06 instead of 04/10/06, and Eritrea v Swaziland on 07/10/06 instead of 08/10/06. Also, Ethiopia v Swaziland I have as 2-0, the match being abandoned in the 75th minute.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 5:58 am

February 16th, 2009, 2:50 pm #7

Ethiopia-Swaziland on 4.10.2006 for sure. It was already the time I noticed everything up-to-date. But an extra cognac from me to somebody who knows which stadium it was played at.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

February 16th, 2009, 7:38 pm #8

Yes, definitely 4th October. I think I remember now that the match between Ethiopia and Swaziland was abandoned at 75 minutes to allow the Swazis to make their connection for Djibouti. If they had played the last 15 minutes, they would have possibly missed their flight.
From The Swazi Observer
Thursday, 5th October 2006
Sihlangu spirits boosted
By Mbongiseni Nhleko
SOCCER - THE National Team, Sihlangu SeMnikati’s depleted spirits were boosted when they arrived in Ethiopia on Tuesday, where they spent a night.
The squad were well received in Ethiopia by the Swazi Embassy in that country.
The team spent the whole day yesterday and finally left Ethiopia at 6p.m (4th October) enroute to Djibouti, where they were expected to connect a flight at 9:30p.m to Eritrea. They were expected to arrive in Eritrea at 10:50p.m last night (4th October).
“Sihlangu will play Eritrea in an African Cup of Nations First Leg encounter in Asmara on Saturday (7th October)."
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

August 21st, 2011, 3:15 am #9

Where was the Lesotho-Swaziland played? it is not on FIFA list...
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

August 21st, 2011, 11:11 am #10

pieter wrote:Where was the Lesotho-Swaziland played? it is not on FIFA list...
Maseru . Another match on Monday.
http://www.times.co.sz/Sports-News/31755.html
Africans like to schedule matches late
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

October 30th, 2011, 1:56 pm #11

The FA took a decision last week to withdraw Sihlangu from the 2014 World Cup qualifiers where they had been pitted against DRC in two-legged preliminary rounds.
However, the decision awaits approval from Cabinet who have since set-up a sub-committee comprising of Minister of Labour and Social Security Lutfo Dlamini, ICT Minister Winnie Magagula and Minister of Sports, Culture and Youth Affairs Hlobisile Ndlovu.
http://www.times.co.sz/Sports-News/33988.html
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Joined: January 24th, 2013, 3:43 pm

March 22nd, 2013, 3:53 pm #12

Record defeat versus Egypt tonight, 10-0.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

June 24th, 2013, 3:37 pm #13

23.6 Swaziland-Angola 0-1 on FIFA site
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

June 24th, 2013, 8:56 pm #14

It's a CHAN qualifier.
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Joined: June 7th, 2007, 8:58 am

April 27th, 2018, 9:32 pm #15

The king just renamed the country a week ago, on the 19th. So technically the April 19th friendly was played by "eSwatini", for better or for worse...
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April 28th, 2018, 6:28 am #16

Sounds like an app you'd use to hire an exterminator or something...
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

April 28th, 2018, 11:21 pm #17

Pronunciation - eh-SWA-ti-ni (according to the King).

On another note regarding Swaziland/Eswatini

https://www.pressreader.com/swaziland/s ... 4817541812

The Swaziland FA is working on releasing a history of Swazi football since 1968 before the end of the year.  Will be interesting to see whether they actually do it and how good a resource it will be.
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April 29th, 2018, 7:28 am #18

"Which is the correct way of writing the country’s newly-assumed name? Is it eSwatini or Eswatini?"

http://www.times.co.sz/news/118038-is-i ... atini.html

Swatini is another possibility apparently.
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Joined: December 26th, 2008, 11:44 am

April 29th, 2018, 8:54 am #19

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April 29th, 2018, 6:44 pm #20

"e" is a prefix meaning "to or from", apparently.  The use of small letters for prefixes is standard in this particular language, but bear in mind that the Latin script has been introduced here - it was not the way things were written before colonialism.  

Personally, I would prefer Eswatini when writing in English, as it is in line with normal English convention of capitalising country names.  I'd probably prefer Swaziland, to be honest - it means exactly the same anyway.  It's like Ivory Coast/Côte d'Ivoire.  Just a different language.  The English language should be free to have its own name for every country - just as other languages are free to do the same.

It's not official yet anyway - still Swaziland for now.

For those who are still curious, and are interested in the reasons for the e-....-ini combined prefix/suffix locative in siSwati, please see here, pages 5-7:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... tive_shift
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

April 29th, 2018, 7:02 pm #21

It seems the Swazi government agrees with me:

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April 30th, 2018, 5:39 am #22

I'm going to spell it with a capital W just to annoy people until this is all sorted.
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April 30th, 2018, 3:28 pm #23

Kaizeler wrote: I'm going to spell it with a capital W just to annoy people until this is all sorted.
sWaziland.

It's mountainous over there right?

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April 30th, 2018, 4:46 pm #24

 All I know is that if they beat Japan they'll be walking Inamoto wonderland.
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April 30th, 2018, 6:14 pm #25

Kaizeler wrote:  All I know is that if they beat Japan they'll be walking Inamoto wonderland.
Wouldn't it be an Inamoto eWonderini?
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May 18th, 2018, 7:44 pm #26

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May 29th, 2018, 2:05 pm #27

However, it's Eswatini (not Swatini as you have on eloratings.net).

It's only the official name of the country in Swaziland though.  It's not an international change.  It will still be called Swaziland in all other countries (or Suazilândia or whatever they called it previously).

All they have done is said that the siSwati version of the country name is official instead of the English version.

It's a bit like India saying Bharat is the official name for India.  It would still be called India in English.
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May 29th, 2018, 4:32 pm #28

I also agree to remain the name Swaziland as Eswatini means the same in their language. Otherwise we will name countries as in the Panini overall records: these tables named Hungary as Magyarország, Greece a Hellas (actually I like the name Hellas more as Griekenland as we name the country in Holland). If I am right in Denmark and Norway they name Greece since the 1990s in their language Hellas.

About eloratings itself. It's much, much better and logical than FIFA ratings. But do most of us agree matches played by England amateurs (until about 1924) are included? Of course, it does not affect the present rankings, but still.
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May 31st, 2018, 6:11 pm #29

If England Amateur results are included, they should be included as England Amateur (i.e. a distinct team) and not as England.  England Amateur and England were 2 different teams playing at the same time, so it makes no sense at all to include their results together if the purpose is to find out the strength of "England" at that time (which is indeed the purpose of a ranking system).  Their opponents considered them "England" because it was the best England team they were able to face at that time, but England itself does not consider them full internationals, and neither do the other British home nations.

In a similar vein, FIFA including CHAN teams along with A teams of African nations makes no sense, as they are using 2 entirely separate sets of players on certain occasions.  

It makes no sense to evaluate the strength of a lion by using data from a cat.
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June 1st, 2018, 4:00 am #30

Also IFFHS used to consider England Amateur as a separate entity. These were their reasons:

When the history of the full "A" international began on November 30, 1872, all British footballers were amateurs. Subsequently the English and the Scottish national teams of the day consisted entirely of amateurs, as did the Welsh and Irish teams starting in 1876 and 1882 respectively. When England legalised professional football in 1885, the English national team comprised both amateurs and professionals; uually two to eight amateurs, but as the turn of the century neared, England fielded an increasing number of professionals. There were only four full "A" international in the 19th century in which the English national team consisted entirely of professionals. During this early period of professional football (1885-1900), there also were two full "A" international – played on 12.3.1894 and 18.3.1895 – where England fielded an all-amateur team.
 Furthermore after 1885 England's opponents were all amateurs from Scotland, Wales and Ireland – excepting a few professionals who played for English clubs. Only Scotland started fielding many more professionals in the national team after the Scottish FA legalised professionalism in 1893. Thus, the British Home Internationals saw amateurs, professionals and mixed teams (consisting of professionals and amateurs) all playing against each other.
 Naturally, professional football gained in strength over time (decades) and drove out the amateurs from national teams. Yet, there were outstanding players, often highly educated, who for professional or moral reasons chose not to become professional footballers, but who despite less training and playing fewer matches (they only played in amateur leagues) kept up with the professionals or even surpassed them. Since amateurs were held in higher regard than professionals, the captain of the English national team was almost always an amateur during the 19th century, and often during the first decade of the 20th as well.
 After the turn of the century, there were four international matches between 1902 and 1904 where England fielded an all-professional team, while their British opponents usually fielded teams consisting of both amateurs and professionals. During the first decade of the 20th century, the England national team usually included three amateurs, not least the exceptional forward Vivian John Woodward. In 1908 and 1909, a mainly professional English national team toured Europe and played against Austria, Hungary and Bohemia, whose national teams consisted entirely of amateurs.
 During this decade, England also fielded an amateur national team, which starting on November 1, 1906, played full "A" internationals against the national teams of France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland and Denmark and also played in – and won – the Olympic football tournaments in 1908 (London) and 1912 (Stockholm), although it participated under the name Great Britain. The best players of this amateur side  had also been or were simultaneously members of  England's professional national team.
 FIFA and the IFFHS have decided that all matches played at Olympic football tournaments during the first half of the 20th century (beginning 1908) are to be officially counted as full "A" internationals. Furthermore, all matches played by the English amateur national team against the national teams from mainland Europe are likewise to be officially considered by both sides as full "A" internationals. In these matches during the first two decades of the 20th century played again two amateur teams under the regular conditions a full "A" international, analogous as the British Home Internationals were played from 1872 to 1885 and also later.
 Therefore, until 1924, all full international played by the English (as well as Welsh) amateur national teams against non-British national teams until 1924 are to be considered as full "A" internationals by both sides, and take into consideration at the determination of all records. The contemplation of the Englishmen and the Football Association (FA) is total not logical. In their view, those full "A" internationals played by England from 1872 where the English team consisted entirely or mostly of amateurs, as well as those where England's professional national team played against an amateur side, would have to be annulled.
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June 4th, 2018, 9:12 am #31

TheRoonBa wrote: If England Amateur results are included, they should be included as England Amateur (i.e. a distinct team) and not as England.  England Amateur and England were 2 different teams playing at the same time, so it makes no sense at all to include their results together if the purpose is to find out the strength of "England" at that time (which is indeed the purpose of a ranking system).  Their opponents considered them "England" because it was the best England team they were able to face at that time, but England itself does not consider them full internationals, and neither do the other British home nations.

In a similar vein, FIFA including CHAN teams along with A teams of African nations makes no sense, as they are using 2 entirely separate sets of players on certain occasions.  

It makes no sense to evaluate the strength of a lion by using data from a cat.
Some countries already have made distinction. Until the 1990s in Dutch overall records table al matches against England, England amateurs and Great Britain were included as played against England. Now we see in Dutch overall records table Holland played 21 times against England, 10 times against England amateurs and twice against Great Britain.
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August 17th, 2018, 5:25 pm #32

TheRoonBa wrote:Pronunciation - eh-SWA-ti-ni (according to the King).
Strange to see the once familiar acronym "SWA" in connection with Southern Africa again after all these years.
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August 17th, 2018, 5:26 pm #33

TheRoonBa wrote:The Swaziland FA is working on releasing a history of Swazi football since 1968 before the end of the year.  Will be interesting to see whether they actually do it and how good a resource it will be.
Why start at 1968, as if nothing but empty void existed beforehand?  Sulkhampton.

Mind you, it would be quicker for them just to write a history of Eswatini football since April 2018.
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August 17th, 2018, 5:28 pm #34

"The DPM [Deputy Prime Minister], when sought for clarity on this first said it should be small letter ‘e’, followed by capital letter ‘S’.  Then he said: “I haven’t thought about it but that is my thinking. I don’t know because I am yet to consult but that is my first reaction. "
It is a very powerful man indeed who has others to do all his thinking for him...
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August 18th, 2018, 10:16 am #35

Luca wrote:  Therefore, until 1924, all full international played by the English (as well as Welsh) amateur national teams against non-British national teams until 1924 are to be considered as full "A" internationals by both sides, and take into consideration at the determination of all records.
This may explain why Elo ratings include all matches played by England amateurs until 1924. But in IFFHS records (which count this matches as official "A" England A NT and England amateur NT are separated teams.....
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