South Pacific Mini Games 2017

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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

December 12th, 2017, 5:11 am #51

Meanwhile Niue has expressed its desire to host the 2025 Games - not sure if football is on the agenda, but maybe we will see Niue return after a 42 year absence (they wouldn't need to pay to send a large football contingent abroad).  Here's hoping they win the bid, and football is part of the sports programme.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

December 12th, 2017, 6:39 am #52

mattsanger92 wrote:
nfm24 wrote:Let's consider the reverse.  Suppose NC showed up to a U21 tournament with their "A" team, including older players.    Would you say that the matches must be classified as U21, because the organisers planned it that way ?

(obviously, in this hypothetical example, it is a friendly U21 tournament without serious checking of actual ages)
Reclassify all teams to U23 under 'Olympic rules', or some version thereof.
That wouldn't work if all of New Caledonia's players were over 23.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

December 12th, 2017, 6:54 am #53

Can't believe New Caledonia got more elo points for beating Tonga 4-2 than they did for drawing with Estonia.  Boo!

After today's defeat to another lower ranked team, New Caledonia are looking at a net loss of around 73 elo points from their 4 games so far, with possibly more to come against lower-ranked Fiji.

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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

December 12th, 2017, 7:01 am #54

TheRoonBa wrote:
mattsanger92 wrote:
nfm24 wrote:Let's consider the reverse.  Suppose NC showed up to a U21 tournament with their "A" team, including older players.    Would you say that the matches must be classified as U21, because the organisers planned it that way ?

(obviously, in this hypothetical example, it is a friendly U21 tournament without serious checking of actual ages)
Reclassify all teams to U23 under 'Olympic rules', or some version thereof.
That wouldn't work if all of New Caledonia's players were over 23.
18-man squad with a limit of 18 overage players allowed 😉.

Alternatively just reclassify all teams as 'B'... seems to be the most harmless option.
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Joined: June 7th, 2007, 8:58 am

December 12th, 2017, 7:12 am #55

Vs. Estonia they had home advantage, so the effective rating was nearly the same. Were they a bit overrated in the first place? Probably so, due to hardly ever playing non-Oceania teams.

If you extended the graph a bit back in time, you would notice that something similar already happened to them in 2012 when they lost quite a few points playing the Outre Mer tournament. Of course they then went back to Oceania and got all the points right back by demolishing Solomon Islands.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

December 12th, 2017, 7:23 am #56

In the 1989 Melanesian Cup, New Caledonia also lost a lot of points

And yes - most if not all of the Oceania teams are rated too highly in eloratings.  Possibly due to giving them estimated start ratings rounded to the nearest 100.

I find that running more than 1 iteration of the elo program fixes this problem (and also calculating their initial rating after their first match rather than estimating it).

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Joined: June 7th, 2007, 8:58 am

December 12th, 2017, 8:15 am #57

You are right, a few of the initial ratings do need adjustment. That is on my to-do list.
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