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Slovenia 1920

val
Joined: 23 Apr 2007, 20:47

23 Dec 2008, 22:34 #1

05.06.1920 Slovenia 0-5 France Friendly in Slovenia
http://www.nzs.si/index.php?pgii=186



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ForumerDeletedUser
Joined: 01 Jan 1970, 00:00

24 Dec 2008, 02:34 #2

V.A.L. wrote:05.06.1920 Slovenia 0-5 France Friendly in Slovenia
http://www.nzs.si/index.php?pgii=186
this is france olimpic team, not A team.
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val
Joined: 23 Apr 2007, 20:47

24 Dec 2008, 19:24 #3

If games like
01-09-1920 • Czechoslovakia 4-1 France • Olympic Games Finals • in Belgium
29-08-1920 • France 3-1 Italy • Olympic Games Finals • in Belgium
are full A internationals, Slovenia's game against France (Olympic team) in same year we also can count like A international.



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Nathan
Joined: 03 Jan 2007, 15:49

25 Dec 2008, 17:21 #4

True at that time the French olympic squad would have been similar to the full squad as the Olympics did not have the under 23 rule and I suspect that many of the French players were not professional.
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siepacz
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 10:58

25 Dec 2008, 22:35 #5

No one French player was profi at that time and Olympic Games in 1920-28 equalled the later World Cup games. The match versus Slovenia is considered not official still only because the opponent didn't represent an independent country. I would personally change this status since it has become so.
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EL G
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 13:18

26 Dec 2008, 18:15 #6

Before WW II there was no "special team" for Olympics. In fact, all olympic matches were official for France. This changed in 1948.
Tours were organized by FA. So, NT often meet regional selections and club sides.
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Fast Midfielder
Joined: 26 Dec 2008, 16:44

30 Dec 2008, 22:06 #7

Both Slovenia FA and France FA does not regard this match official, so I don't think a discussion this match should be regarded official is not necessary. I think discussions will be necessary if one nation regards the match official and the other does not.
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EL G
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 13:18

31 Dec 2008, 09:26 #8

I agree. As I said many NT were touring and meeting regional teams. For example USSR did it in Yugoslavia with matches against Vojvodina, Croatia, Montenegro, etc.
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Stanza13
Joined: 20 Oct 2007, 01:44

31 Dec 2008, 13:25 #9

Does USSR played against Vojvodina? Have you go this results, EL G?
Daniele Fiore
FORZA ISCHIA!!!
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EL G
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 13:18

31 Dec 2008, 18:42 #10

A friendly game : Vojvodina - USSR 2-2
link : http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:h2 ... cd=2&gl=fr
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

01 Jan 2009, 03:50 #11

USSR has also played against Crimea (not the Crimean Tatars, but a selection from the Republic of Crimea)
As for the official nature of the match - Slovenia does not count it as official because it was not independent, while France does not count it as official also because Slovenia was not independent. However, as Slovenia is now independent, I think we can consider it as a bona fide Slovenia v France match, as Slovenia certainly existed as an entity in those days, albeit not independent.
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Stanza13
Joined: 20 Oct 2007, 01:44

01 Jan 2009, 06:11 #12

Really very interesting!!!
Daniele Fiore
FORZA ISCHIA!!!
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EL G
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 13:18

01 Jan 2009, 20:28 #13

mcruic wrote:USSR has also played against Crimea (not the Crimean Tatars, but a selection from the Republic of Crimea)
As for the official nature of the match - Slovenia does not count it as official because it was not independent, while France does not count it as official also because Slovenia was not independent. However, as Slovenia is now independent, I think we can consider it as a bona fide Slovenia v France match, as Slovenia certainly existed as an entity in those days, albeit not independent.
Very good summary.
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siepacz
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 10:58

03 Jan 2009, 20:32 #14

What I just suggested above.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

04 Jan 2009, 10:19 #15

siepacz wrote:What I just suggested above.
I will give you my gold medal, I don't deserve it
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EL G
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 13:18

04 Jan 2009, 13:58 #16

siepacz wrote:What I just suggested above.
I'd like that FA recognize all the match with every independent countries. It would be more simple for everyone.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

06 Jan 2009, 15:39 #17

EL G wrote:Tours were organized by FA. So, NT often meet regional selections and club sides.
A friendly game : Vojvodina - USSR 2-2
link : http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:h2 ... cd=2&gl=fr
My links still work I think, no need for google cache?
Do you have a list of France unofficial matches vs clubs and regional teams? I always try to put this data on my site but sadly most countries do not mention them.
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trekky76
Joined: 28 Apr 2009, 09:00

13 Jan 2011, 14:10 #18

I was looking for that match on NSZ website and it's mentioned as played 1921-06-23 between France and Slovenia League XI (5-0).
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

14 Jan 2011, 02:27 #19

"in 1918, when Slovenia became a de facto self-governing entity within the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, which it helped to create. Slovenian autonomy was later abolished with the constitution of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes of 1921, "
From Wikipedia. I don't know the exact date in 1921, but from 1918-1921, Slovenia was self-governing.
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trekky76
Joined: 28 Apr 2009, 09:00

14 Jan 2011, 17:03 #20

mcruic wrote:"in 1918, when Slovenia became a de facto self-governing entity within the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, which it helped to create. Slovenian autonomy was later abolished with the constitution of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes of 1921, "
From Wikipedia. I don't know the exact date in 1921, but from 1918-1921, Slovenia was self-governing.
That would be 1921-06-28. In any case, matches of autonomous entities within established national states cannot be regarded as full internationals.
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Fast Midfielder
Joined: 26 Dec 2008, 16:44

14 Jan 2011, 18:05 #21

trekky76 wrote:I was looking for that match on NSZ website and it's mentioned as played 1921-06-23 between France and Slovenia League XI (5-0).
where do you find this on the NSZ website? I cannot find this.
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trekky76
Joined: 28 Apr 2009, 09:00

14 Jan 2011, 23:46 #22

Fast Midfielder wrote:
trekky76 wrote:I was looking for that match on NSZ website and it's mentioned as played 1921-06-23 between France and Slovenia League XI (5-0).
where do you find this on the NSZ website? I cannot find this.
I didn't save the link but it's on the history page (English version). Try google.
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val
Joined: 23 Apr 2007, 20:47

14 Jun 2013, 19:08 #23

It appears that France also played some games in the region in 1921:1921-06-08   Zagreb   Croatia-France   2-1
1921-06-09   Zagreb   Croatia-France   4-1
1921-06-10   Belgrade   Serbia-France   0-3
1921-06-16   Ljubljana   Slovenia-France   0-5
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno? ... =3&zoom=33
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Fast Midfielder
Joined: 26 Dec 2008, 16:44

15 Jun 2013, 11:05 #24

Please take care the dates in Sport-Tagblatt may not be correct. In the Sport-Tagblatt 30 December 1922 edition a list of all important matches played in 1922. The two Norway v France matches are wrong. Norway did not beat France 3-2 in Stavanger on 10 June 1922 as you can read in this topic Norway 7-0 France, 11 June 1922 . This match was already reported in Dutch newspaper Het Vaderland of 8 June 1922. The 7-0 win of Norway is according to Sport-Tagblatt played on 14 June 1922, but this match was played three days before. Also the date of Netherlands 1-2 Belgium i.e. is wrongly reported. This match was played on 7 May 1922, not 17 May 1922.
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Giampaolo
Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 08:43

24 Jun 2015, 15:11 #25

trekky76 wrote:
Fast Midfielder wrote:
trekky76 wrote:I was looking for that match on NSZ website and it's mentioned as played 1921-06-23 between France and Slovenia League XI (5-0).
where do you find this on the NSZ website? I cannot find this.
I didn't save the link but it's on the history page (English version). Try google.
I re-start this page, after long time, because I'm interested in France's matches during early years.The referred link is probably http://www.nzs.si/home/fa-slovenia/brief-history
BTW I guess the right date is June 16, not 23. In fact, if the previous match, in the tour, was vs Serbia on 10th, the 16th date in Slovenia is more realistic.But, of course, the question is: did France play other (un)official matches?  In "Gallica" (France's National Biblioteque) I can check "L'echo de Paris" and "Le Figaro", but they don't seem be much interested in football (at least.in those years). L'"Auto" (then "Equipe") is not on line. Any suggestion? Anyone knows more about that tour?Thanks. 
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

24 Jun 2015, 17:09 #26

Maybe one of the Cazals' books might discuss French matches like this. Or perhaps the French library has old sports magazines.
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Giampaolo
Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 08:43

25 Jun 2015, 08:38 #27

nfm24 wrote:
Maybe one of the Cazals' books might discuss French matches like this. Or perhaps the French library has old sports magazines.
I checked "Gallica" (digital French library) in "Presse Sportive" Section.
The only reliable "item" is "Football Association": a very good weekly magazine, but only available, unfortunately, for the years 1920 and 1922.
Did you get reply to your request, in this topic, about "a list of  France unofficial matches vs Clubs/Regional Teams"?
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

25 Jun 2015, 09:55 #28

Sure, but not all of a library's holdings are digital.

I didn't receive a reply on that. I have a sort of list of my own, cobbled from various sources, but it is surely incomplete.
This website has some such matches (perhaps also incomplete) since 1960: http://selectiona.free.fr/affich.php?id=N030
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

25 Jun 2015, 12:25 #29

Here is a quick list combined from various rough files. Most matches not checked so caveats apply.

[not included pre-1920, visit to Yugoslavia 1921 and matches vs Catalonia]

30-May-1923 France 1-6 Rangers
15-Mar-1925 France 1-7 Paulistano
19-Mar-1925 France 0-0 Nacional
4-Jun-1925 France 0-6 Nacional
- -1927 France bt Marseille
25-Jul-1930 Nacional 2-3 France
30-Jul-1930 Santos 6-1 France
18-May-1933 France 3-1 Bristol Rovers
11-Apr-1937 France 2-5 Charlton Athletic
20-May-1953 France 2-1 América RJ
1-Nov-1954 France 0-3 Maghreb XI
1-Jun-1958 Swedish Regional XI 0-12 France
13-Sep-1961 France 6-0 Servette
-Sep-1963 France 3-2 Standard Liege
25-Aug-1965 France 2-2 Eintracht Frankfurt
30-Jun-1966 Gala Fairydean 1-8 France
4-Jun-1966 Vale of Leithen 0-8 France
6-Jul-1966 Selkirk 2-11 France
28-Feb-1967 France 0-2 Corsica
17-May-1967 France 3-3 Hannover 96
27-Aug-1968 France 1-1 Bayern Munchen
2-Apr-1969 France 4-3 Real Madrid
23-Aug-1969 France 4-2 Hvidovre IF
18-Jan-1971 Coritiba FC 2-1 France
21-Jan-1971 SC Internacional 1-3 France
24-Jan-1971 Universitario Deportes 0-0 France
11-Jun-1972 France 5-0 CONCACAF
14-Jun-1972 France 2-0 CAF
19-Mar-1974 France 0-2 Anderlecht
28-Mar-1974 France 9-0 Variétés Club de France
21-Apr-1974 France 8-0 Variétés Club de France
23-Apr-1974 France 1-0 Ajax
20-Aug-1974 France 0-0 1.FC Koln
31-Aug-1974 France 4-2 Benfica
21-May-1975 France 3-0 QPR
19-Aug-1975 France 3-1 Real Madrid
8-Oct-1975 France 0-0 Hamburg
24-Aug-1976 France 4-2 Borussia Monchengladbach
6-Oct-1976 PSG 0-1 France
26-Mar-1977 PSG 3-3 France
3-Jul-1977 Atlético Mineiro 3-1 France
24-Aug-1977 France 4-2 Hamburg
12-Aug-1978 France 1-0 Anderlecht
4-Oct-1978 PSG 2-2 France
21-Aug-1979 France 4-1 Bayern Munchen
3-Sep-1980 France 1-0 Juventus
18-Aug-1981 France 1-3 Stuttgart
2-Nov-1981 PSG 1-1 France
15-Nov-1981 France 3-1 Auxerre
29-May-1982 Andorra CF 1-2 France
8-Jun-1982 France 2-0 Andorra CF
11-Jun-1982 Real Sociedad 1-3 France
24-Aug-1983 France 1-0 Penarol
26-May-1984 Andorra CF 0-9 France
29-May-1984 France 5-1 Andorra CF
10-Jun-1984 France 3-0 French Military
5-Sep-1984 France 0-1 Inter Milan
14-Jul-1985 Bordeaux 3-2 France
24-May-1986 Mexico Youth 1-1 France
28-May-1986 Pumas UNAM 2-0 France
23-May-1988 France 2-2 World XI
14-Feb-1989 Arsenal 2-0 France
18-Jan-1990 Al-Qadissiya 0-3 France
19-Jan-1993 Sporting Lisboa 0-2 France
19-Apr-1993 Lyon 1-4 France
1-Jun-1998 HJK 1-3 France
30-May-1999 France 2-2 World XI
16-Aug-2000 France 5-1 FIFA
22-May-2002 Urawa Red Diamonds 1-5 France
27-May-2002 Anyang LG Cheetahs 1-2 France
1-Jun-2006 France 6-2 UNFP
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Giampaolo
Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 08:43

25 Jun 2015, 15:09 #30

From my "scratching off" Gallica (Echo de Paris):Feb. 5th 1936 Paris (Colombes) . France - Beogradski SK 3-1 ; in preparation for match vs Czechoslovakia on Feb. 9th 1936 (0-3).
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

28 Mar 2017, 22:26 #31

Does anybody know definitively which is the correct spelling for the Slovenia player (2017, not 1920) : Jasmin Kurtić or Jasmin Kurtič ?
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

30 Mar 2017, 09:46 #32

The name written on his Slovenia shirt is Kurtić.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

10 Apr 2017, 23:35 #33

I was happy with that myself, but then I saw that the Slovenian FA website spells it using both versions on different pages.
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