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Sint Maarten

jonny
Joined: 02 Nov 2006, 22:03

24 Jan 2008, 08:45 #1

22.1.08 - CONCACAF has announced the fixtures for the Caribbean Futsal Qualifying Tournament that will take place from 5-9 March at the National Sports Hall in Georgetown, Guyana.
The six-team Caribbean tournament, which will qualify two squads to the 2008 CONCACAF Futsal Championship, has two groups of three. Haiti and Sint Maarten join the hosts, Guyana in Group A, while Group B consists of Puerto Rico, Surinam and Trinidad & Tobago.
The two Caribbean qualifiers will join Costa Rica, Cuba, Mexico, Panama, USA and the host, Guatemala at the 2008 CONCACAF Futsal Championship at the Domo Polideportivo in Guatemala City from 2-8 June.
http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.asp?id=4082
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

20 Oct 2010, 03:56 #2

Sint Maarten held a Caribbean international football tournament from 3rd-5th June 1995 in Philipsburg (apparently the 2nd such tournament). It seems all teams played 3 games (2 group matches and then a placement match?)
Teams:
Sint Maarten national team
Saint Martin national team
USA U-23 national team
Sparta Rotterdam
Friburguense AC
AS Cannes
Known results
Sint Maarten 1-3 USA U-23 [AJ Wood, Brian Kelly, Ante Razov]
USA U-23 0-0 Friburguense AC
Sint Maarten ?-? Friburguense AC
Saint Martin ?-? AS Cannes
AS Cannes ?-? Sparta Rotterdam
Saint Martin ?-? Sparta Rotterdam
PLACEMENT MATCHES (?)
USA U-23 1-0 Sparta Rotterdam
??? Friburguense AC ?-? AS Cannes
??? Sint Maarten ?-? Saint Martin
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

26 Oct 2010, 15:22 #3

It was the USA Olympic team, which had some overage players (e.g. Kasey Keller aged 25), so was not precisely the U23 team.
An article I found mentioned this:
"Matches will take place at Raoul Illidge Stadium in the Dutch capital of Philipsburg on June 3 and 5, and at Alberic Richards Stadium in the French capital of Marigot on June 4 and 7, with the final match and trophy presentation on the latter day."
"The event has grown tremendously since last year,"
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

04 Jan 2011, 18:49 #4

GROUP 1
03/06/1995 AS Cannes 1-0 Sparta Rotterdam - Philipsburg
04/06/1995 Saint Martin 3-4 AS Cannes - Marigot
05/06/1995 Saint Martin 0-9 Sparta Rotterdam - Philipsburg
GROUP 2
03/06/1995 Sint Maarten 1-3 USA Olympic - Philipsburg
04/06/1995 Sint Maarten 0-5 Friburguense AC - Marigot
05/06/1995 USA Olympic 0-0 Friburguense AC - Philipsburg
PLACEMENT MATCHES
FINAL
07/06/1995 Friburguense AC 2-1 AS Cannes - Marigot
3RD PLACE
07/06/1995 USA Olympic 1-0 Sparta Rotterdam - Marigot
5TH PLACE
07/06/1995 Saint Martin ?-? Sint Maarten - Marigot
Typically, the only possible international match (St.Martin v St.Maarten) is missing. It could be that there was no 5th place match.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

17 May 2011, 19:28 #5

http://www.thedailyherald.com/sports/lo ... endar.html
"The board [Sint Maarten Soccer Association] is also considering the possibility of organising a fun Commercial Tournament for business as well as starting the paperwork to become a member of FIFA.
There is also news of "Friendship Games" to be held in Curaçao in July, to replace the old Kingdom Games. Sint Maarten is planning to send a team, but it is not mentioned what kind of team they plan to send.
Seems we might see Sint Maarten returning to competition soon, as they have set up U-15, U-17 and U-23 teams recently, and they have all started playing matches.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

18 May 2011, 11:38 #6

Is there any chance they can become FIFA member; they are not independent....
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Kivo
Joined: 01 Jul 2010, 10:47

18 May 2011, 13:20 #7

Depends if they started their application to join before the pre-requisition that you had to be independent came into effect
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

18 May 2011, 17:13 #8

Kivo wrote:Depends if they started their application to join before the pre-requisition that you had to be independent came into effect
That was many years ago. This application is a recent one.
They may stand a better chance than others, because they are described as a 'country' in the Dutch constitution.
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Kivo
Joined: 01 Jul 2010, 10:47

18 May 2011, 20:00 #9

Yup, you could argue the Netherlands team doesn't represent a 'sovereign' state - only the country of the Netherlands - a constitutent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Ditto Denmark , England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.
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MTC
Joined: 10 Nov 2006, 20:02

19 May 2011, 15:07 #10

I hate to sound like a broken record, but it again feels like I have to say this every time a subject like this is brought up until people start to remember it themselves…
FIFA does not require a region to be independent to join.
FIFA Statutes, on page 11:
“An Association in a region which has not yet gained independence may, with the authorisation of the Association in the country on which it is dependent, also apply for admission to FIFA.”
That means that if the KNVB (the Dutch FA) give their authorization, Sint Maarten can become a FIFA member.
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Kivo
Joined: 01 Jul 2010, 10:47

19 May 2011, 18:08 #11

So what is stoping Gibraltar joining if the FA, SFA, IFA and FAI give their consent?
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

19 May 2011, 18:17 #12

Problem is UEFA : they only accept UNO-members, but it is not logical that different federations of FIFA have different rules for membership. you cannot join FIFA before being provisional member of a continental federation.... (if I am right?)
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

19 May 2011, 23:45 #13

MTC wrote:I hate to sound like a broken record, but it again feels like I have to say this every time a subject like this is brought up until people start to remember it themselves…
FIFA does not require a region to be independent to join.
FIFA Statutes, on page 11:
“An Association in a region which has not yet gained independence may, with the authorisation of the Association in the country on which it is dependent, also apply for admission to FIFA.”
That means that if the KNVB (the Dutch FA) give their authorization, Sint Maarten can become a FIFA member.
I also hate to sound like a broken record, but we all know this already. And we've had many discussions on it before. FIFA does not require a region to be independent, but the case of Zanzibar (for example) is contradictory. They had the backing of the Tanzania FA, yet FIFA turned them down as they were not a recognised nation, despite the fact they had a separate league and a separate functional national team playing in the CECAFA Cup for over 60 years, and they were also a separate member of CAF.
And as Pieter says, confederational membership has to be sought first, and then only after a certain period as a member of a confederation can a member join FIFA. As certain confederations have contradictory admission rules (CAF and OFC, for example, somehow state that a country needs to be a FIFA member before it can become a member of their confederation, despite the fact that the opposite is required - thus making it impossible for any new team to join, never mind non-independent territories).
It's not as simple as a parent body giving consent and then everything is all fine. The parent body of Gibraltar (which was technically England), gave their consent for Gibraltar to join. Yet, we all know what happened there.

Also, technically speaking, Sint Maarten had a separate FA already, as they were already CONCACAF members. So there was nothing to stop them applying to FIFA before.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

19 May 2011, 23:51 #14

Kivo wrote:So what is stoping Gibraltar joining if the FA, SFA, IFA and FAI give their consent?
FAI would not be involved as Ireland is not part of the UK. It would be the FAW.
I believe only 3 of the 4 UK associations voted for Gibraltar, but that should have been enough.
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Kivo
Joined: 01 Jul 2010, 10:47

20 May 2011, 12:21 #15

Of course FAW instead of FAI - foolish error!
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Moses
Joined: 02 Nov 2006, 21:55

20 May 2011, 16:56 #16

Gibraltar only requires the authority of the English FA to join FIFA, however as the application was made before the rules where changed I believe that this rule does not effect Gibraltar at all dispite what both FIFA & UEFA say as per the case that went to CAS.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

20 May 2011, 22:44 #17

Moses wrote:Gibraltar only requires the authority of the English FA to join FIFA, however as the application was made before the rules where changed I believe that this rule does not effect Gibraltar at all dispite what both FIFA & UEFA say as per the case that went to CAS.
Gibraltar and the FA no longer have any ties - this has been covered on another thread. They used to be affiliated, but this affiliation has lapsed. Therefore, I believe all 4 UK associations would have to be asked.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

12 Mar 2012, 12:54 #18

http://www.thedailyherald.com/sports/lo ... itch-.html
Interesting article on the problems facing Sint Maarten - apparently, they have problems of player eligibility when they select national teams.
But some good news:
"The Association looks to increase the Island's international exposure. This summer the association is working on hosting a Leeward Island Tournament which it hopes will develop into a home and away competition featuring teams from St. Kitts and Nevis, Antigua, Montserrat, BVI, Anguilla and the St. Martin.
In August, the association also plans to field a team in the regional Digicell Competition Tournament"
Not sure whether the Leeward Island Tournament will be for national teams or club teams - it is not clear here. But it would be good to see Sint Maarten in the Digicel Caribbean Cup qualifying rounds after 12 years. Let's hope they manage to field a team.
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8780989
Joined: 26 Mar 2008, 22:38

20 May 2012, 23:18 #19

Any news on this Leeward Islands tournament?
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

20 Dec 2012, 23:21 #20

06.05.2011 - Sint Maarten U-23 2-1 Sint Eustatius
07.05.2011 - Sint Maarten U-17 2-5 Sint Eustatius
Both matches in Philipsburg (Raoul Illidge Sports Complex)
Photo from 1st match (Sint Maarten U-23 in red)
Sint Maarten has no senior team at the moment, so the U-23 team is effectively the national team.

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8780989
Joined: 26 Mar 2008, 22:38

21 Dec 2012, 01:08 #21

Great find. Hopefully they will reform their senior team soon. If they do it seems a game versus Sint Eustatius would be possible.
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nico1.roonba.fr
Joined: 27 Feb 2008, 16:19

21 Dec 2012, 16:45 #22

I believe you got the information from the Sint Maarten FA page!? I also read that St. Eustatius and Saba play as a combined team from time to time.
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Sensini
Joined: 25 May 2010, 20:50

21 Dec 2012, 19:46 #23

nico1 wrote:I believe you got the information from the Sint Maarten FA page!? I also read that St. Eustatius and Saba play as a combined team from time to time.
As far as I know they no longer have a website, but they have a Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Maarte ... 6907033283
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

22 Dec 2012, 14:45 #24

Sensini wrote:
nico1 wrote:I believe you got the information from the Sint Maarten FA page!? I also read that St. Eustatius and Saba play as a combined team from time to time.
As far as I know they no longer have a website, but they have a Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Maarte ... 6907033283
Yes - this is where I got the info. It hasn't been updated much this year.
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SEStubbs
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 20:43

19 Feb 2013, 11:27 #25

http://www.todaysxm.com/2013/01/31/stat ... a-vp-webb/



Very interesting. After a CFU inspection it seems that Sint Maarten not only want to become full CONCACAF members (as is the case with the Outre-Mer sides) but a FIFA member too.
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SDb
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 10:10

19 Feb 2013, 14:49 #26

It's quite strange the football there isn't as developed considering the general infrastructure is far more developed than on the French side which generally seemed poorer. When I visited the island there was a lot of youth activity on the French stadium but I saw little or no football interest on the Dutch side.
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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SEStubbs
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 20:43

19 Feb 2013, 23:53 #27

That is strange. Saint-Martin have played at the last 2 Caribbean Cup qualification campaigns.



When was the last time a Sint-Maarten team (senior, youth etc) took part in CONCACAF competition? Apart from the futsal appearance in 2008.
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SEStubbs
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 20:43

07 Apr 2013, 19:00 #28

Talk of Sint Maarten vs. Dominica this summer. It's been a 13 year hiatus for the St. Maarteners.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

04 Sep 2013, 12:49 #29

St. Maarten took part in the CONCACAF U-15 tournament in Cayman Islands recently. It seems their time away from footballing activities has been very bad for them. St. Maarten lost all 5 group games and were eliminated.

Results:
Cayman Islands 12-0 Sint Maarten
Aruba 6-0 Sint Maarten
Bahamas 8-0 Sint Maarten
US Virgin Islands 3-2 Sint Maarten
Bermuda 5-0 Sint Maarten
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Sensini
Joined: 25 May 2010, 20:50

26 Apr 2015, 11:48 #30

The Daily Herald, 23 April 2015:
Flames United won the St. Maarten Soccer Association Senior Competition. Michelle Hodge, secretary of Soccer Association presented the Flames their trophy Saturday. The association is now planning an Under 20 versus over 20 match May 8 at Raoul Illidge Sports Complex. The competition is open to all footballers with Dutch passport. The game will be used as a showcase to select a national team. Players must get permission from their club to participate. To register contact president of the Soccer Association Nickie Owen at 550-3750.
So maybe Sint Maarten is preparing for a real international match?

BTW, I couldn't find much more about Flames United or the competition, apart from futsal.Only two results mentioned in this report:
Flames United vs Hotspurs 8-1
Strikers vs Reggae Lions 2-2
And three more in this report:
Reggae Lions vs Hotspurs 3-1
Wilful Skillful vs C & D Connection draw
Flames United vs Strikers 0-0
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

27 Apr 2015, 11:59 #31

Surely it's not difficult to arrange a match against Saint Martin. Strange for a confederation member to have been absent from senior internationals for so long.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

27 Apr 2015, 16:09 #32

Perhaps they have and we don't know. Who outside the island would bother reporting it, if the two sides played each other?
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

27 Apr 2015, 17:37 #33

nfm24 wrote:
Who outside the island would bother reporting it, if the two sides played each other?
I'm not affiliated to any news source right now, but I'll volunteer for some on-site recon work if no-one else is up to it Image. You just need to have a whip-round to get me there...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

27 Apr 2015, 20:15 #34

Funnily enough I have actually considered visiting one of the Leeward Islands at some point mainly for football research purposes (with, no doubt, some additional tourism on the side), but I thought maybe Jamaica would be better as they are likely to have better sources than any individual island. If you want to go as my representative you'll have to prove your suitability for the job first :-)
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

27 Apr 2015, 20:18 #35

Alternatively, you should become a Caribbean football administrator, then you can jet around between expensive hotels with generous daily expenses, spend FA money flying your family and friends to major tournaments 1000s of miles away, and generally at as fraudulently as possible, while the local players and coaches operate on a shoestring.
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Sensini
Joined: 25 May 2010, 20:50

27 Apr 2015, 20:30 #36

nfm24 wrote:
Perhaps they have and we don't know. Who outside the island would bother reporting it, if the two sides played each other?
I check www.thedailyherald.com and other St. Maarten news sites now and then. That is how I found the report above in the first place.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

27 Apr 2015, 21:35 #37

nfm24 wrote:
If you want to go as my representative you'll have to prove your suitability for the job first :-)
Combining that with your other post, I'd at the bare minimum do a better job than Jack Warner, and look at how long he was in the game.
Another point is that I'm not one of these crazed sun-seekers who thinks a good day is laying by a pool cremating themselves, I like the idea of visiting new places because of visiting new places. However, there is one interesting piece of weather I'd like to see that is unique to Sint-Maarten, completely man-made to boot:

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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

27 Apr 2015, 23:17 #38

Sensini wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
Perhaps they have and we don't know. Who outside the island would bother reporting it, if the two sides played each other?
I check www.thedailyherald.com and other St. Maarten news sites now and then. That is how I found the report above in the first place.
Obviously, but I am talking about historical matches also.   Sadly www is only of limited use.
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Sensini
Joined: 25 May 2010, 20:50

28 Apr 2015, 19:43 #39

Sensini wrote:
[...]So maybe Sint Maarten is preparing for a real international match?
@caribbeanfooty tweeted today:
StMaarten SA pres Nickie Owen told me theyre "preparing for future tournaments. We are going to put out a national team as soon as possible"
Which tournaments (plural!) could that be? I guess the Leeward Islands Championship, but what other tournaments?
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

28 Apr 2015, 20:58 #40

An SSS tournament would be good (Sint Maarten/Sint Eustatius/Saba) - but probably unlikely. I suppose they may be thinking of entering the next Caribbean Cup.
In fact, the ever-reliable Wikipedia has Sint Maarten and US Virgin Islands down as co-hosts of the 2016 Caribbean Cup Finals...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

28 Apr 2015, 21:24 #41

Sensini wrote:
@caribbeanfooty tweeted today:
StMaarten SA pres Nickie Owen told me theyre "preparing for future tournaments."
So they are ruling out time travel I guess.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

28 Apr 2015, 21:40 #42

nfm24 wrote:
Sensini wrote:
@caribbeanfooty tweeted today:
StMaarten SA pres Nickie Owen told me theyre "preparing for future tournaments."
So they are ruling out time travel I guess.
They could technically have been still preparing for a past tournament that they were unable to attend, but just kept preparing for anyway.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

29 Apr 2015, 01:25 #43

Particularly pointless if it was a youth tournament. National teams are perennially "preparing" or "developing" or "rebuilding".
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

07 Sep 2015, 10:31 #44

Sint Maarten will apparently play a friendly match in April 2016. Nothing announced about who the opponent will be or anything else.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

07 Sep 2015, 12:35 #45

Captain Vaguehampton
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Eagles
Joined: 28 Dec 2009, 15:38

18 Apr 2017, 15:01 #46

Any update on whether they applied this year? According to the FIFA Congress agenda it doesn't look like it
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